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Recognition Issues for SideWinder Force Feedback 2

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Hi folks,

 

I need help with this issue, I've been googling for hours and can't seem to find anything relating to it (as seems to be the case with a lot of win98 issues). going a bit crazy.

 

I am running Windows 98 under VMWare and have my joystick plugged into a USB 3.0 plug.

When I run the Sidewinder install CD, during the step where it asks me to plug the joystick into a USB I get an error message: "Setup is unable to detect whether the controller is connected"

I follow the setup instructions, install the win98 drivers, everything but I always get the message and then It also doesn't appear in Gaming Options in the Controllers tab.

 

Once I had even left it plugged in before step 2 of the setup and I saw the stick center and the resistance was there but it still gave me the message.

 

Any ideas?




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Here's a screenshot to help illustrate my issue.

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Can anyone help me? I'm still trying to solve this.



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I have no experience with the particular scenario you are attempting, but I have an idea...

Chances are the joystick is attempting to connect to the USB3 or USB2 controller rather than the USB1 controller.

First, you need to be sure that you have disabled USB3.0 support to the VM itself, as no USB3.0 drivers exist for Windows 98.

Second, it appears you do not have a driver installed for USB2.0 under 98SE. These do exist; download and install NUSB to your Windows 98 VM (BE SURE TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS!) and try again. (Or, alternately disable USB2 support to the VM as well and let the system revert to USB1 only.)

Then try to install your joystick again. Let us know what happens.

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I have no experience with the particular scenario you are attempting, but I have an idea...

Chances are the joystick is attempting to connect to the USB3 or USB2 controller rather than the USB1 controller.

First, you need to be sure that you have disabled USB3.0 support to the VM itself, as no USB3.0 drivers exist for Windows 98.

Second, it appears you do not have a driver installed for USB2.0 under 98SE. These do exist; download and install NUSB to your Windows 98 VM (BE SURE TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS!) and try again. (Or, alternately disable USB2 support to the VM as well and let the system revert to USB1 only.)

Then try to install your joystick again. Let us know what happens.

 

Thanks for the reply! 

I did try to revert back to USB 1.1 but had the same problem. However I had been looking for drivers for that damned PCI Universal Serial Bus with the yellow bang so I will definitely try this today.

 

I'll keep you posted.



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I just tried installing the .exe you linked but after restart the PCI USB in Device Manager still has a yellow bang.

 

I followed the instructions I'm pretty sure.

1. I don't have drivers for flash drives as far as I can tell

2. I don't have USB 2.0 drivers (that seems to be part of the pb in the first place

3. What unknown devices?

4. I did that

5. After reboot windows did install the drivers but the PCI USB is unchanged.


Edited by Konuvis, 14 July 2014 - 09:59 AM.


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I just tried installing the .exe you linked but after restart the PCI USB in Device Manager still has a yellow bang.
 
I followed the instructions I'm pretty sure.
1. I don't have drivers for flash drives as far as I can tell
2. I don't have USB 2.0 drivers (that seems to be part of the pb in the first place
3. What unknown devices?
4. I did that
5. After reboot windows did install the drivers but the PCI USB is unchanged.


You did remove the "PCI USB" device that has the Yellow Exclamation Mark from your system with the Device Manager BEFORE you installed NUSB, correct? You need to remove ALL USB devices and ALL "Other devices" with a Yellow Question Mark before you run the .EXE and then when you reboot a driver should have been installed for the USB2 controller.

NUSB contains both drivers for Storage Devices and a USB 2.0 controller driver. If it did not work in this case, then something is "abnormal" about your "PCI USB" device - either it does not behave like most USB2 controllers or it is in fact the USB3 controller being detected.

What are the specs of the hardware you are using; both your real hardware and the hardware being emulated by VMware?

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Thanks for the clarification. I've re-installed the file and now I don't have an issue with PCI USB which is a big step forward so thank you!

 

However not quite of the woods yet.

Windows now recognizes my joystick, it appears in Sound, video and game controllers as Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 but with a yellow bang (code 10)

When I go to update the drivers it tells me the current ones (SW13W98.INF) are better and will continue using them.

 

My host is Windows 8.1 64bit and the guest is Windows 98 SE under VMWare (but same issue in VirtualBox).



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You're welcome! :)

Glad you solved part of the problem at least...

Now, as for the rest of your problem, hopefully some other members here can add something now that we have gotten this far...

I would try removing the joystick from the Device Manager, then rename the SW13W98.INF file to something else, say SW13W98.OFF, disconnect the joystick, and reboot. Then reconnect the joystick and try installing your updated drivers for it.

 

My host is Windows 8.1 64bit and the guest is Windows 98 SE under VMWare (but same issue in VirtualBox).


Those would be "Software specs" not Hardware specs.  ;)

I meant what motherboard & processor are you using, how much RAM, what type of drives, etc etc. But it may be irrelevant now that the USB2 controller driver is working as expected.



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You're welcome! :)

Glad you solved part of the problem at least...

Now, as for the rest of your problem, hopefully some other members here can add something now that we have gotten this far...

I would try removing the joystick from the Device Manager, then rename the SW13W98.INF file to something else, say SW13W98.OFF, disconnect the joystick, and reboot. Then reconnect the joystick and try installing your updated drivers for it.

 

My host is Windows 8.1 64bit and the guest is Windows 98 SE under VMWare (but same issue in VirtualBox).


Those would be "Software specs" not Hardware specs.  ;)

I meant what motherboard & processor are you using, how much RAM, what type of drives, etc etc. But it may be irrelevant now that the USB2 controller driver is working as expected.

 

Oh my bad.

 

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A 

Processor: Intel Haswell i7 4770K

RAM 16GB DDR3 1600

OS drive: Samsung 840 EVO 250G SSD

HDD: WD Black 2TB

PSU: Seasonic Platinum SS-660XP2

GPU: MSI GTX 760 TwinFrozwr 2GD5 OC



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Ok so I renamed SW13w98.inf

disconnected and rebooted.

 

When I plugged it in it wasn't automatic plug and play but Windows found it when I went to 'Add New Hardware' it then added a Windows driver (prompted me for the Win98se CD) and I believe it added an HID to the device manager.

As I speak my joystick LED light is on so that's a good sign but I can't add it to game controllers. I select 'Add' but for some reason it doesn't show the Microsoft Hardware Group that contains my joystick.

 

So I ran the Joystick setup CD and still couldn't find the joystick.

After that I have 'Microsoft Sidewinder FFB2' showing up in Device Manager under Sound,Video and Game Controllers but with a yellow bang

Now if I go to add a new controller Windows builds a new database of devices and I have access to 'Microsoft Hardware Group and can select Microsoft Sidewnider Force Feedback 2.

I select it, go through the steps and get the 'Windows has finished installing the software to support your new hardware'

But it's still not in the list of Game Controllers, it still has a yellow band in Device Manager.....

 

 

Do you have any idea what on Earth is wrong because I'm just at a loss.


Edited by Konuvis, 17 July 2014 - 01:50 PM.


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Have you installed any other Updates, Software, etc to your VM besides NUSB? If so, there is a possibility it could affect the joystick. If not, unfortunately I don't have any more advice to give... :no:  Hopefully some other member may have some insight...



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Have you installed any other Updates, Software, etc to your VM besides NUSB? If so, there is a possibility it could affect the joystick. If not, unfortunately I don't have any more advice to give... :no:  Hopefully some other member may have some insight...

 

Hmm well I've installed WMWare Tools, some Sound Blaster PCI drivers and the setup CD for the Joystick.

Aside from that not really since I pretty much try to have the joy recognized right after a fresh windows install.

 

Like I said it should be straightforward but it's already stumped 2 techies/IT peeps.



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This may be a stupid question but here goes,

Are you sure the sidewinder is in full working condition?

Edited by Kelsenellenelvian, 20 July 2014 - 12:20 AM.


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This may be a stupid question but here goes,

Are you sure the sidewinder is in full working condition?

 

As far as I can tell yes. I tested the buttons in Windows 8 and I'm using it right now in Wing Commander in dosbox with no issues.



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Could this be related? :unsure:

https://web.archive....t.com/kb/264248

 

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Could this be related? :unsure:

https://web.archive....t.com/kb/264248

 

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That's possible, the article doesn't mention if the Sound, Video and Game Controllers entry has a yellow bang or not but I'm certainly going to try it since I haven't tried that before.



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It is also possible that *something* in the procedures followed till now has "botched" *somehing* in the Registry (or *wherever else* ) and maybe it is needed to re-start from scratch.

NUSB is a great little package, but it has some quirks AFAICT, i.e. it is possible that while fixing part of the original issue it created a new one. :unsure:

 

Cannot really say if of any use, but this is the last snapshot I could find of the original sidewinder support page:

https://web.archive....efault.asp#Ffb2

 

It is possible that *anything* in updates like:

https://web.archive....FF2Download.asp

 

can be useful (or make things worse :().

 

You can also try to "ditch" (as an experiment) your current software/drivers and try with these:

3.02 version:

https://web.archive....wnloads/302.asp

4.0 version:

http://grva.lamce.co..._drivers/swff2/

 

jaclaz



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I'm going to try what you guys suggested but if it doesn't work I'd be totally willing to do a completely fresh install and go step by step.



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Could this be related? :unsure:

https://web.archive....t.com/kb/264248

 

jaclaz

 

OK so I tried this but ended up with similar results.

'Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2' shows up in Sound, Video and Game Controllers but with a yellow bang.


Edited by Konuvis, Yesterday, 08:48 PM.


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It is also possible that *something* in the procedures followed till now has "botched" *somehing* in the Registry (or *wherever else* ) and maybe it is needed to re-start from scratch.

NUSB is a great little package, but it has some quirks AFAICT, i.e. it is possible that while fixing part of the original issue it created a new one. :unsure:

 

Cannot really say if of any use, but this is the last snapshot I could find of the original sidewinder support page:

https://web.archive....efault.asp#Ffb2

 

It is possible that *anything* in updates like:

https://web.archive....FF2Download.asp

 

can be useful (or make things worse :().

 

You can also try to "ditch" (as an experiment) your current software/drivers and try with these:

3.02 version:

https://web.archive....wnloads/302.asp

4.0 version:

http://grva.lamce.co..._drivers/swff2/

 

jaclaz

 

I had previously tried installing the VIA patch but it didn't solve the problem.

 

And I currently use the 4.0 version of the software/drivers (it's the one on the setup CD).



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I was looking at this video today and somehow was wondering if maybe my joystick issue was due to a similar thing.

 

http://youtu.be/AsSDXznIhGc







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