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Windows 10 - First Impressions


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From that Neowin thread post by JorgeA:

 

In the setup screen, it will automatically use DHCP for your network - there is absolutely no option to change this to a static IP until you've booted to windows and done the pre-complete updates, so this really negates the point of installing updates before putting you into the OS if you can't do something as simple as configure your **** network card.

 

How stupid. They are artificially creating problems in areas that worked just fine before. Worktime well spent!

 

Anyway, more complaining

http://www.neowin.ne...ylogger/?page=1

Had to laugh at this fantard:

 

User: Microsoft, build us a better OS.

Microsoft: No problem! We would like you to opt-in with anonymous data collection so that we can see how people are using the OS and cater to that.

User: Wha? Send you info about how I use my OS, No way! Invasion of privacy! Keylogger!

Microsoft: ...so you want us to improve the OS, but not have a method to see how people use the OS now?

That my friends, is how we end up with OS atrocities.

 


LOL. The OS atrocities happened after the extensive data minings started. Just by telemetry you won't get any good product. I don't uninstall programs often, but removing the uninstall function would be a catastrophe. But Microsoft is operating on exactly that premise (most networks are on DHCP, so let's remove any other options etc.) and this leads to just retarded results at the end.

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Where's that post where the Microsoft dweeb told me that "only few people used it" with regard to Windows Backup, so therefore it's not worth maintaining...

 

Ah, here it is...

 

https://social.techn...m=W8ITProPreRel

 

Look for the post by BohdanR.

 

It's been clear for years that doom has been coming.

 

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It's been clear for years that doom has been coming.

 

-Noel

 

Yes, Microsoft's though process regarding telemetry is flat out from the loony bin.

 

"People spend most of their time in the living room - so let's remove the toilet".


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Well, you'll love this one (official MS statement, bolded/highlighted):

http://techcrunch.co...-over-the-edge/

 

When we asked Microsoft for a comment, we received the following from a company spokesperson: “We designed Windows 10 to provide a simple upgrade experience for users and a cohesive experience following the upgrade. During the upgrade, consumers have the choice to set defaults, including for web browsing. Following the upgrade, they can easily choose the default browser of their choice. As with all aspects of the product, we have designed Windows 10 as a service; if we learn from user experience that there are ways to make improvements, we will do so.

 

 

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LOL, "a cohesive experience".

 

That's the distinct feeling you get when you step on chewing gum in the parking lot, right?

 

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In the setup screen, it will automatically use DHCP for your network - there is absolutely no option to change this to a static IP until you've booted to windows and done the pre-complete updates, so this really negates the point of installing updates before putting you into the OS if you can't do something as simple as configure your **** network card.


OOBE in Windows 10 (as well as newer installs of 8.1) now will attempt to go online to download new/updated OOBE pages. One example would be (maybe :unsure: ) if they changed the EULA, it would be available on a new install immediately. Of course, you can just unplug the network cable. In my experience (so far) Windows 10 hasn't complained or had an error due to lack of internet access.

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The real price of Windows 10 is your privacy

 

Windows 10 is more closely tied to a Microsoft account than any previous version of the OS. This allows Microsoft to assign an ID number to users that can then be used to track them across different devices, services, and apps. This in turn can be used to deliver closely targeted ads to people. Microsoft has been pushing the mobile first, cloud first philosophy for some time now, and it becomes clear with Windows 10 that the love of the cloud is as much to do with the ability it gives Microsoft to gather useful data as it is about convenience for users.
 
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If you're a Windows Insider who has been working with the various review builds for some months, this may well not be news, but there are a tremendous number of people -- millions upon millions according to Microsoft -- making the switch for the first time. Many of these people know little or nothing about Windows 10, and have no idea of what to expect. Few people who are offered a free upgrade will turn it down, or question why it is free. It seems that the invasions of users' privacy that Windows 10 affords Microsoft is the real price that people are paying.

 

I read recently (can't remember where) that the Windows 10 EULA is something like 12,000 words long -- not counting supplemental documents such as the Privacy Statement. Yes, Microsoft is doing everything in its power to rig the game in its favor, while retaining the excuse that "you agreed to it, you should have read the license terms."
 

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And while we're on that subject...

 

Windows 10 is spying on almost everything you do – here’s how to opt out

 

Ahh, that's where I read about the length of the Windows EULA (technically, the "services agreement").   :blushing:

 

Well, here is Microsoft’s 12,000-word service agreement. Some of it is probably in English. We’re pretty sure it says you can’t steal Windows or use Windows to send spam, and also that Microsoft retains the right to take possession of your first-born child if it so chooses. And that’s only one of several documents you’ll have to read through.

 

--JorgeA


Edited by JorgeA, Yesterday, 03:28 PM.


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JFYI, Something happened. ;)
http://movingfulcrum...ible-installer/

Spoiler

 

:lol:

 

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:D   Somehow that goes perfectly with "Getting a few more things ready", doesn't it?

 

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Man, "wi-fi-sense" takes the cake. It's ridiculous that someone had even the idea to create something like that.


Edited by Formfiller, Today, 07:43 AM.

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I miss the gold old days when Windows asked for input during the installation process and had a progress bar with the current file operation next to it. Now we get a progress bar with vague messages to go off of!



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Ha, I just see that you can't even turn off Security Essentials/Windows Defender in this POS ("you can deactivate it, but we will turn it on after a while").

Installing Windows 10 is like getting married.



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Installing Windows 10 is like getting married.

Well, no. :no:

It seems like getting married with the "wrong" partner, a not so slight distinction.

 

As a side note, and just out of curiosity, is the "progress bar" (or "whatever") characterized by the usual approximated accuracy  :whistle: or at least it provides a fair enough estimate?

Courtesy XKCD:

https://xkcd.com/612/

estimation.png

 

:lol:

 

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Edited by jaclaz, Today, 09:15 AM.


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JFYI, Something happened. ;)
http://movingfulcrum...ible-installer/

Spoiler

 

:lol:

 

jaclaz

 

OMG, talk about simplifying dumbing down the interface!!! :D

 

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That is a fantastic graphic. It should be posted to every tech forum and to every tech and general news website on the Web.

 

--JorgeA



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It actually makes me depressed.

 

The stuff Windows 10 does would have been the domain of conspiracy cracks a few years ago and now MS is publically boasting about its keylogging in the open like its the most natural thing ever that the OS sends your passwords, passphrases, e-mail contents and your whole browser track to the mothership.

 

This makes me sick to the core. In all these big brother dystopias like 1984 etc. the people put up with it because they usually live under a brutal dictatorship and are under constant threat of being executed, but in reality, you don't need all that force: Directx 12 and Candy Crush is apparently all it takes.



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Formfiller, don't think about it too hard.  It's depressing but the world has a way of dropping a hammer on the heads of tyrants.

 

Just keep using the old, reliable OS you already have, and make a sober judgment about when to stop accepting Windows Updates for it.

 

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Should we all be as p*ssed as Mozilla about Edge taking over in Windows 10?

 

First, a background excerpt from a letter by Mozilla's CEO to Satya Nadella, and then Mark Wilson's excellent point, which I was going to make until I saw he'd already done it:

 

"We appreciate that it's still technically possible to preserve people's previous settings and defaults, but the design of the whole upgrade experience and the default settings APIs have been changed to make this less obvious and more difficult."

 

This is something of a theme that runs through Windows 10. Just as it is possible to opt out of the features of the operating system that invade privacy, it is not immediately obvious how to go about it. Does this mean that a lot of people will stick with using Microsoft Edge simply because they don't know how to change the default browser? Only time will tell, but it certainly feels as though we're treading familiar ground here. Microsoft is essential forcing users' hands, and that not something that tends to go down particularly well.

 

The same thing that applies to Edge and the privacy settings -- that it's possible to opt out of them, but far from self-evident how to do it -- can be said about creating and signing into a Microsoft Account in order to use Windows 10. It is indeed a theme running through this OS.

 

--JorgeA

 

 

 

 



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Love it. Very apropos.

 

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this OS is gestapo OS

half s*** you can't disable

and then online every "famous" IT article or blog glorifies this POS

without mentioning how much privacy loss is there

 

don't forget that updates can't be disabled, so whatever they want to stick it in you they will


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Wife happened to visit a telco website today and came across the following notice:

 

Attached File  Verizon Win10.jpg   85.65KB   0 downloads

 

An initial quick read had her focusing on the parts about something hiding Internet Explorer and removing bookmarks, so she thought there was a massive malware attack going around the Internet and called me over to look.

 

I said, "Well, technically it's not malware, but..."

 

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