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Windows 10 - Deeper Impressions

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The Windows 10 fans of Edge should rejoice:

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2017/10/05/microsoft-edge-ios-android-developer/

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As you may have read on the Windows Experience blog, Joe Belfiore announced today that Microsoft Edge is coming to iOS and Android, bringing the best browsing experience on Windows 10 to more pockets around the world.

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... it should then not be a surprise that we have chosen to adopt the core web platform technologies on each of the app platforms we are announcing today.

On iOS, we are using the WebKit engine, as provided by iOS in the WKWebView control. That means that from a compatibility perspective, Microsoft Edge for iOS should match the version of Safari that is currently available for iOS.

On Android, we are using the Blink rendering engine from the Chromium browser project. This approach gives us more control and better performance than using the Android WebView control, but means that we are shipping our own copy of the rendering engine in the app. 

I don't think any comment is needed.

As a side note:

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Right now, the apps are using User Agent strings that exactly match the strings used by the primary browser on that platform.  Very soon, we will update the preview apps to include a new token in their user-agent strings, as below:

Microsoft Edge for iOS user agent string

Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 10_3_2 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/603.2.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/14F89 Safari/603.2.4 EdgiOS/41.1.35.1

Microsoft Edge for Android user agent string

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 8.0; Pixel XL Build/OPP3.170518.006) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/58.0.3029.0 Mobile Safari/537.36 EdgA/41.1.35.1

Anyone still remembers when you could actually identify an User Agent string a glance? :whistle:

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Why bother if it's going to "match" the one that's already native to that device?

Microsoft thinks that they can just follow what people have already done, with nothing innovative or different whatsoever, and because it's them they'll be wildly successful?

-Noel

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Meanwhile, it's official, Windows 10 Mobile is dead:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-mobile-microsoft-just-put-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin/

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Joe Belfiore, Microsoft's vice president of Windows Experience, confirmed on Sunday that the company doesn't plan new features or hardware for the the Windows 10 Mobile smartphone platform.

Presumably he wrote and sent this confirmation from his faithful Samsung Galaxy S8:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-s-joe-belfiore-explains-why-samsung-galaxy-s8-is-a-great-android-phone-517258.shtml

For those tuning in only now, remember that one of the reasons why the stupid Windows 10 was made so stupidly awkward was decleared to be the need for a "continuum experience", with the same app running in the same way on phones, tablets, desktops, X-boxes, everywhere:

http://www.notebookreview.com/feature/windows-10-continuum-why-you-shouldnt-use-a-smartphone-as-a-pc/

 

Now imagine that - say - BMW removes the steering wheel and pedals from their cars in order to make the customers enjoy the same handlebar experience of their current motorbikes  and future snowmobiles, and in two years time  they decide to not build snowmobiles and cease production of motorbikes ... 

 

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1 hour ago, jaclaz said:

Now imagine that - say - BMW removes the steering wheel and pedals from their cars in order to make the customers enjoy the same handlebar experience of their current motorbikes  and future snowmobiles, and in two years time  they decide to not build snowmobiles and cease production of motorbikes ... 

I would also add this to the analogy: the motorbikes were great to use, and had in many ways superior handling and features to the competition! But the new CEO decided to make the exclusive parts of their bikes for other bike manufacturers, all the while not telling consumers if their own brand of motorbikes was still worth getting. Ultimately they decided to shrink their offer of motorbikes, stopped offering new firmware updates, replacemant parts, etc. and left users with a dead end motor vehicle :realmad:

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1 hour ago, greenhillmaniac said:

I would also add this to the analogy: the motorbikes were great to use, and had in many ways superior handling and features to the competition! But the new CEO decided to make the exclusive parts of their bikes for other bike manufacturers, all the while not telling consumers if their own brand of motorbikes was still worth getting. Ultimately they decided to shrink their offer of motorbikes, stopped offering new firmware updates, replacemant parts, etc. and left users with a dead end motor vehicle :realmad:

Well since we are still in the BMW motorcycle field, let's not forget how still today the boxer engine (and shaft drive) used on the series R  models is essentially derived from the one designed in the 1930 and 1940's, which should be a good enough example that when you have something well designed and working correctly, you only refine it.

Now MS had a perfect product: Windows NT designed (mainly) by Dave Cutler :thumbup:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Cutler

that worked just fine since day one and was improved over the years until they managed to ruin it almost completely with Windows 10.

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Meanwhile in the Netherlands ...

https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/en/news/dutch-dpa-microsoft-breaches-data-protection-law-windows-10

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Microsoft breaches the Dutch data protection law by processing personal data of people that use the Windows 10 operating system on their computers. This is the conclusion of the Dutch Data Protection Authority (DPA) after its investigation of Windows 10 Home and Pro. Microsoft does not clearly inform users about the type of data it uses, and for which purpose. Also, people cannot provide valid consent for the processing of their personal data, because of the approach used by Microsoft. The company does not clearly inform users that it continuously collects personal data about the usage of apps and web surfing behaviour through its web browser Edge, when the default settings are used. ...

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So what are the legal implications of the Dutch Data Protection Authority investigation?  Microsoft has danced the "legal tango" before in Europe.  :cool:

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11 hours ago, BudwS said:

So what are the legal implications of the Dutch Data Protection Authority investigation?  Microsoft has danced the "legal tango" before in Europe.  :cool:

AFAIK the Dutch may decide to impose a sanction by themselves or bring the preblem forward to the EU, since there are not that much differences between the actual national privacy related Laws in most countries of the EU, this can easily became an European sanction.

The part that clearly violates any and all privacy Law (besides the "initial" and "limited" opt-out approach which is probably debatable) is the "switch back to full":

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Additionally, the Dutch DPA has established that Microsoft has not respected existing privacy choices from some users when they upgraded to the Creators Update. This applies to the people who downloaded the operating system themselves. If they had previously selected basic telemetry in a prior Windows version and did not actively change the privacy settings upon installation of the Creators Update,  the settings were switched to full telemetry level.

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Just came across this today, it seems that people are finally waking up to Windows 10's true intentions (which we had known since before it even came out).

 

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47 minutes ago, rn10950 said:

Just came across this today, it seems that people are finally waking up to Windows 10's true intentions (which we had known since before it even came out).

 

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Wouldn't it be a step in the right direction if Microsoft actually started listening.....WOW did you see those pigs flying....quite a sight...

 

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It's about time :)

I have the obligatory Windows 10 VM, but I'd rather run Windows 3.1 than put up with that data mining spyware masquerading as an OS.

Much of it *can* be fixed, but then what? It's basically a slightly improved Windows 7 with a half-broken UI.

Might as well just run 7, then. It does pretty much all the same things, but with much less work to get it to behave properly (it's actually pretty good out of the box, but with a couple minor additions (7+ Taskbar Tweaker, Classic Start Menu), it's perfect).

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Is an OEM Windows 10 Key worth the $15-$30 from online sellers?  Just thinking of changing a test Win 10 to a standard Win 10 with the Key change.  Don't seem to be able to find a real Full Win 10 Key online.  Don't know if this is a Deeper Impression or a slap in the face?

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I'm not sure what those keys are. Said "OEM" key could only be from System Builder Kit or from generic royalty (I don't know how to explain it) with an OEM name on it. If the latter, it certainly be used, or previously activated. I do not know if used COA of this type can be sold, but I would think if so you should receive the physical COA. Former, System Builder media should always come in the sealed kit. Buying unsealed kit would indicate it is used. In any of these situations (besides sealed kit) you may have to call the Activation Center, and there is a chance the key is not valid.

I know that you can get a key direct from MS, but it isn't an OEM key. They send you an email with the information.

I would say that if this key doesn't come from MS themselves, then to not bother. If it is a used item, it may already have been activated and there is a chance it may not work for you. If they don't send you the COA, then how do you know they aren't just selling the same key to multiple people?

I have heard that some times when people are buying these keys online, they end up getting VL/MAK keys, which are not allowed to be sold at all. And then those people don't know any better. Usually find out about these types because they have an activation issue or get the watermark on their screen and post online to get it fixed.

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