JodyT

Server 2012 Updates on Windows 8

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Well in about a week and a half, Patch Tuesday arrives sans any updates for Windows 8 (as support ran out for the OS on the 12th of January).  So after running System Restore, I will be running WSUS Offline and downloading February's updates for Server 2012.  I'll check the bulletins for each patch and see which of the patches do not relate to server-specific code, and attempt running those.

 

If my system updates successfully, great.  I have unofficial support.  If not and my system barfs, then I'll return to the last restore point.  Then I'll decide if I stay with Windows 8, or go back to Windows Vista for another year (after all, my taxes will be done and I won't need any newer OS for another year.)

 

I'll keep you posted on what happens.  I may need to patch/edit the update.inf file somehow, but I'm not sure yet.  This will be the first time that a Windows NT 6x based OS runs out of support, to try this experiment, so I'm eager to see what happens.

:)

 

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I would really like to hear so, since Windows 8 is just easier to setup for desktop use than Server 2012, lol.

I do have Server 2012 running in my home laptop though, and it's perfect. DWM feels smoother in NT 6.2 than 6.3 with the glass8 mod, that's why I'll leave 2012 R2 and completely migrate to R1 in the home computer. :P

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I'll certainly let you know what happens.

:)

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I would really like to hear so, since Windows 8 is just easier to setup for desktop use than Server 2012, lol.

I do have Server 2012 running in my home laptop though, and it's perfect. DWM feels smoother in NT 6.2 than 6.3 with the glass8 mod, that's why I'll leave 2012 R2 and completely migrate to R1 in the home computer. :P

What do you need to customize in Server 2012?  I remember with Server 2003, I had to enable Media Player and Internet connectivity if I wanted to even browse..  I adjusted RAM for programs vs cache.  Does it come with the main Windows 8 desktop, or is it like "Classic"?

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Server 2012 has the Aero Lite theme of 8 by default, but you should be able to change to the normal Aero theme of 8 in Personalization. I changed to a custom Vista theme for Windows 8, which works perfect. For all of those bells and whistles of the Aero theme, you can just go to the advanced system settings and change performance settings in there. Of course, for features like Media Player, you still need to install Desktop Experience, along with WLAN Service and .NET Framework 3.5 to get some apps to install and work. 

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I have noticed, for whatever it may be worth, that WSUS Offline Downloader has dispensed with any inclusion of updates for Windows NT 6.2, as of v10.4.  So neither Windows 8 no Server 2012 has been included.  How do they expect downloading of Server 2012 patches?

 

Patch Tuesday is tomorrow, so I'll keep you posted.

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Well I got home later than I anticipated, but ran System Restore to create a Restore Point.  Then I downloaded six updates (five for Windows Server 2012, and one for Internet Explorer 10).  I had shut off the Windows Update service and had cleared the \Windows\SoftwareDistribution folder on a previous occasion, so I started the service and let the folder populate.

 

Then I manually installed all of the updates one by one.  (KB3115858, KB3123294, KB3126593, KB3126587 and KB3124280, plus KB3134814 for IE10)

 

Now I had removed IE10 from my system (and even deleted the disk payload for the feature using the DISM command), but I thought perhaps that the IE update would improve security in the IE engine files that may still reside on the system.  All updates installed without incident.  Now to reboot.

 

Be right back ...

:)

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Well would you look at that.  Looks good to me

 

WinUpdForFeb.jpg

 

So I guess Server 2012 Updates do install.

 

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So I guess Server 2012 Updates do install.

And I guess you're covered till Jan 10, 2023 !!! :yes::thumbup

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So I guess Server 2012 Updates do install.

And I guess you're covered till Jan 10, 2023 !!! :yes::thumbup

 

Yes it's what it seems.  Now I'll use this thread for month to month results, and see how it goes from there.  Even the IE updates go through.  And v10, also not as good as 11, still browses most sites (should I need to use it ever)

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You may get the v11 update, now that you know the KB, from the MS Update Catalog... Search for "2012" or perhaps "Server", then sort by "latest first", by clicking on the release date column header. Try it, and let me know.

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Nope!  Won't even bring up a download page.  Just says that the Windows 7 version of IE 11 is not compatible with your system.

Keep in mind that the original Server 2012 is only supporting IE 10 as well.

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Hmm, just because you can't download it...  I wonder if you got your hands on it, would it install anyway?  Then the next wonder would be if it is an installer issue, if you could get around that could it be forced?  Maybe not, but still...

 

Hey, at least you shouldn't be harassed to update to Windows 10, since your system won't even run Windows 8.1. :)

 

Cheers and Regards

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Well I'm happy even as it is.  Plus this also gives Vista users added hope (since they're in a similar situation).  They'll likely be able to do the same with patches from the original Server 2008.

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Well this is nice to know. I can confirm that the updates work on my 8 system as well: http://prntscr.com/a1pp70

I hope we're able to keep updating 8 until 2023 with this method.

Technically, I could upgrade to 8.1, but since 8 works, I just don't see a reason to do so at this time.

Well I'm happy even as it is.  Plus this also gives Vista users added hope (since they're in a similar situation).  They'll likely be able to do the same with patches from the original Server 2008.

Since I still use Vista on some other machines, I'll be grateful if that works as well. I had planned to continue using Vista as my main OS until at least 2017, but after building my new haswell machine, the hardware just won't take Vista at all. I'm really enjoying the speed and added desktop features/improvements of 8 over Vista though, so I can't say I really miss Vista too much. I also found myself running into so many compatibility issues with Vista with other software, unfortunately.

 

Anyway, thanks for finding this out.

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I miss some of the looks of Vista, especially having customized the captions and start menu colours in the Basic theme.  However, Windows 8 is MUCH MUCH faster.  Even Windows Mail (a Vista-specific application) is faster still.

 

Windows 8 as it now stands (provided that updates continue) gives these advantages.

 

(a) Since I only use the Explorer-based portions of the OS with Classic Shell (all Metro items are blocked), my OS essentially works like Windows 7, only faster and more modern looking.  And since Windows 8.1 improvements don't affect Explorer based portions of the product, I already have what I like about Windows 8.1, but in Windows 8.

(b) Since I ungroup the taskbar and restore Quick Launch, it's actually more like a modern-looking Vista.

© Now that I have working updates to apply, I have unofficial support, but also no telemetry updates, nor do I have Windows 10 nags.

 

The only disadvantage would be that the loading of the desktop by default is a tad cludgy, only because Classic Shell forces it to happen.  But that's a small issue.

:)

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Yeah, I also have that issue with classic shell. Although with an SSD, it's hardly noticeable.

I also have moments where I start to miss the look of Vista (which was one of the reasons I kept using it for so long). Here's a screenshot from a while back where I modded 8 to look like Vista as much as possible: http://prntscr.com/a234e2(though I've reinstalled since then so I'm back at the default look with glass8 only), so if I begin to miss Vista again, I'll probably just reapply those mods. 

This is another area that I find to be a little easier in Windows 8 compared to 8.1. For some reason, I always have trouble customizing 8.1 and getting my changes to stick. I'm aware that some users on here (namely NoelC) have modded their 8.1 installs just fine, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. But 8.0 is working just fine, and I'm really enjoying the experience, and now that we have these updates, I have no reason to upgrade to 8.1.

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Yeah, I also have that issue with classic shell. Although with an SSD, it's hardly noticeable.

I also have moments where I start to miss the look of Vista (which was one of the reasons I kept using it for so long). Here's a screenshot from a while back where I modded 8 to look like Vista as much as possible: http://prntscr.com/a234e2(though I've reinstalled since then so I'm back at the default look with glass8 only), so if I begin to miss Vista again, I'll probably just reapply those mods. 

This is another area that I find to be a little easier in Windows 8 compared to 8.1. For some reason, I always have trouble customizing 8.1 and getting my changes to stick. I'm aware that some users on here (namely NoelC) have modded their 8.1 installs just fine, so I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. But 8.0 is working just fine, and I'm really enjoying the experience, and now that we have these updates, I have no reason to upgrade to 8.1.

 

 

oh my! that looks awesome! can you tell me how you did that vista look to windows 8? I would love to try it  :) thanks

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Wow I would love to know how you did that too, I run Windows 8.1 (with many things I removed) I love the look of Windows Vista on modern systems.

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I'm sorry if I'm getting off topic here a little, if I am, then just split this post off into another thread.

Programs you'll need to install:

Glass8 for Win8/8.1

Oldnewexplorer for Win8/8.1

NetAnimate (for network icon)

Classic Shell with Vista skin: http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5655

You'll also need the theme itself, as well as Vista transformation pack for Windows 8/8.1 to get the icons. I'll compress the theme and transformation pack (don't let the name fool you, all it does is change the icons to look like Vista and can be easily uninstalled if you desire) into a .ZIP file and upload it to MEGA (a cloud storage service site) so you can download it. It might take a while to upload since my upload speed is pretty bad, but I'll get it there as soon as I can. 

I'll also type up some instructions and include them in the .ZIP. 

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I'm sorry if I'm getting off topic here a little, if I am, then just split this post off into another thread.

Naw!  It's all good :)

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I can supply with other needed files to transform Windows 8 to Vista if you want, as I even transformed Server 2012, which wanted to get DWM leaks everytime, even with updates. I got to use Windows 7 again, as 8 really hates being modded in its installation media. I tried replacing the Aero theme, and everything broke down. Explorer wouldn't open properly (windows had no corner buttons, new explorer windows would be stuck), and I couldn't change the theme, so I can't suggest 8 as an OS if you feel like modding the install media.

8 is still a great OS to use if you don't want to mod it that much, but as for myself, better stick with Server 2008 in my Sandy custom built PC I use at work, which completely satisfies me. When support for NT 6.0 ends forever, we'll see if we are to get to 7 and 2008 R2 or if MS makes a great OS again (after we got awful 10), use that instead.

And as for the Classic Shell Vista skin I made, whoever feels like continuing it, I'll be happy to check their work! I can't continue on it anymore, as it needs a lot of my patience and I've been very busy with things lately, too.

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For what it's worth, I've chosen not to accept any recent updates on my Win 8.1 and 7 systems.  There's just too much risk, and not enough benefit when the systems run perfectly as is.  At this point it's not clear whether Microsoft is doing good work even on its security patches, though apparently there haven't been too terribly many screams of anguish I guess.

 

Regarding what to turn Windows into...  I've found that my "downconfigured" 8.1 system (i.e., silent online, no cloud, no Apps, resurrected Aero Glass) has been the best I've ever used.

 

Haven't been able to make 10 into something that good yet.

 

-Noel

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