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5 hours ago, Tsundere said:

-It was connected to usb 2.0

That's strange. The device is connected to a USB 3.0 controller.
A USB 2.0 port should be connected to a USB 2.0 controller. Strange HP?

Include Intel USB 3.0 drivers to boot.wim image 2.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/de/download/22824
Version 4.0.4.51 contains %IUsb3XhcDeviceDesc01% = IUsb3XhcModel, PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0F35, hence they should match.
Boot boot.wim. Does diskpart.exe detects different USB disks now?

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@cdob Since this might be important, here are some screens of what happens when I plug in a WD passport and Lexar usb flash drive (F://) into both usb 2.0 ports. The last screen is the main change that happens when I click 'show hidden devices'. The WD passport has a total of 3 entries belonging to it, and the Lexar has 2. I am still in the process of doing the slipstreaming. I think 'Elements' is a different WD drive that is not plugged in.

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What do you mean by 'boot boot.wim'? I usually recreate the entire iso image that has both boot.wim and install.wim, then burn it using Windows 7 USB DVD Download Tool. Are you saying there's a shorter way? I use DISM GUI to mount, slipstream (recurse & force unsigned enabled), dismount then msmg toolkit to create the iso. Here is the modified inf file I used the first time

iaiosd.inf

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@cdob Wow! Stuff is finally working! I've never gotten this far before, I could kiss you.

http://imgur.com/Nwpuz5y

http://imgur.com/i8YrmuW

There's still a few things I need your advice on before I wipe the disk. I'm in the process of backing up a system image of win8.1 and getting things ready

-The wireless mouse/keyboard work. In fact all usb ports seem to work.

-Why does disk 1 not show up?

-What does the error message mean?

-Which disk is the emmc?

-What's the best way to find the drivers I'll need? You seem to be good at google-fu (How did you find that german usb 3.0 driver?).

-What else should I do? What precautions should I take in case something crashes and I need to reinstall win8.1 (how do I preserve the recovery partition if I have one)?

Thanks!

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@Tsundere

Yes, list dispart disk details.


sel disk 0
det disk
list par
sel disk 1
det disk
list par
list vol

Break, this looks suspicious:
Disk 0 29 GB 29 GB free
Disk 1 29 GB 0 GB free
Are Disk 0 and Disk 1 equal? Are there two disks?


 

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21 minutes ago, cdob said:

Break, this looks suspicious:
Disk 0 29 GB 29 GB free
Disk 1 29 GB 0 GB free
Are Disk 0 and Disk 1 equal? Are there two disks?

There was only a lexar usb drive (being used as live usb) and the internal emmc, so 2 disks seem right. They are both roughly 32gb as well

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So, disk 0 is the emmc and disk 1 is the Lexar USB. :)

Everything seems "cool".

The Windows Setup won't list the USB as possible "target" drive for the install (possibly being "external", "removable"), but only the ("internal", "fixed") disk 0.

Now it is time to understand why Windows believes that disk cannot be used for the install.

I would try to attempt initializing and partitioning and formatting it in diskpart then see if you can apply to it a an install.wim.

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40 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

I would try to attempt initializing and partitioning and formatting it in diskpart then see if you can apply to it a an install.wim.

I don't understand what you mean by this. How exactly would I do that?

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Just a guess, mind you, but right now the setup program doesn't *like* the device "as is".

There may be several reasons (call them "precautions" if you like) why the good MS guys might have put some limitations to the setup program, making it detect a number of conditions that make a disk "eligible for install".

But diskpart sees the device, so it is worth a try to (see this for some reference):

http://www.jwgoerlich.us/blogengine/post/2009/11/05/Use-Diskpart-to-Create-and-Format-Partitions.aspx

DISKPART> select volume 0
DISKPART> remove letter=C

DISKPART> select disk (0)
DISKPART> convert mbr
DISKPART> create partition primary
DISKPART> select part 1
DISKPART> active
DISKPART> format fs=ntfs label=(name) quick
DISKPART> assign letter=C
DISKPART> list volume

(right now the volume on the USB stick aka Disk 1 has got letter C, so you need to remove it in order to assign it to the internal disk)

Double check again that the situation is as seen in the scrrenshots you posted, i.e. internal disk is disk 0 and Lexar USB device is disk 1 (and contains a volume with assigned letter C) before running the above commands, better be safe than sorry.

The above commands are intended (I am not sure if this is the case) for a BIOS and "MBR style" disk, is that HP thingy BIOS or EFI/UEFI?

If the latter you will probably need to make the disk GPT and create the FAT32 "boot" partition besides the "main" NTFS one.

If the above set of command works, you can try again with the setup, maybe finding an active, formatted partition will allow the install :dubbio:

Otherwise use the fujianaBC's method of applying the .wim (the WINNTSetup program mentioned earlier is based on that approach, but for the moment doing things manually gives more control/the possibility of having more feedback on the causes of the error):
http://reboot.pro/topic/10126-nt-6x-fast-installer-install-win7-directly-to-usb-external-drive/

jaclaz
 

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37 minutes ago, jaclaz said:

The above commands are intended (I am not sure if this is the case) for a BIOS and "MBR style" disk, is that HP thingy BIOS or EFI/UEFI?

My motherboard(x64) seems to be uefi-based with legacy-boot support available. I've heard that that uefi version/style of win 7 only works with the x64 iso. But since the emmc drivers are only 32-bit, so to install on the internal disk I must use win7 32-bit. Therefore isn't impossible to do that uefi partition scheme you mentioned?

I'm also quite confused about this gpt/mbr/x86/x64 business, I am getting conflicting advice to use mbr (albeit the advice pertains to installing win7 ON an external hdd, and with x64). However, given the recent results, I really want to focus on installing it internally

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It's not you (alone) that are confused on the topic (a good half or maybe three quarters of the people have not entirely clear the matter, not their fault but that of confusing, partial or incomplete and contrasting information).

If your EFI has a CSM (Compatibiity Support Mode, please read as BIOS emulation, most probably mislabeled by HP or by the Insyde guys as "legacy support mode") it would be better to use it (and the MBR scheme suggested).

You are correct, if your device is 64 bit it will only work (in EFI) with a 64 bit OS and not with a 32 bit one.

In a nutshell, there is NO reason whatsoever to have GPT (if not on larger than 2.2 Tb disks), and there is no reason to use EFI mode (i.e. it provides not any practical or noticeable advantage once the OS is booted).

Anyway, you should consider these install attempts as "experiments", whether they work or not they may provide additional info on the behaviour of the device and OS, and hopefully eventually provide a good "final method" (that you may want to re-test restarting form scratch to verify it really works).

Before I forget, a possible reason why the setup doesn't like that device could be because it sees it as "external" or "non-paging"  :w00t:, so another experiment could be that of using Diskmod, see:
http://reboot.pro/topic/9461-page-file-in-usb-hard-disk/

http://reboot.pro/topic/9461-page-file-in-usb-hard-disk/?p=86619

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@jaclaz Interesting, could you please have a look at this for me (particularly the last post)

http://www.easyuefi.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=275&page=2

The context of that discussion is about trying to install win7 on an external hdd using wintousb tool (which I imagine just compacts together a lot of commands and stuff).

However it seems he is saying that I cannot install 32-bit win7, only 64-bit because my motherboard is uefi-based. 

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1 hour ago, Tsundere said:

However it seems he is saying that I cannot install 32-bit win7, only 64-bit because my motherboard is uefi-based.

You cannot install 32-bit win7 in UEFI mode, but you can install 32-bit win7 in CSM mode. Your machine offers this choice.
And the machine does not offer a USB 2.0 port, the documentation is misleading. There are USB 3.0 ports only.

Strange still: Disk 0 29 GB 29 GB free
If this is the windows 8.1 UEFI disk, then diskpart should list several partitions.
One FAT32 EFI, a MSR, a wimboot OS one and a recovery with install.wim and a custom.wim.

Make a disk image first: Clonedisk can do this.
http://labalec.fr/erwan/?page_id=42
Do you have a WinPE available?
Backup a raw disk image.

No idea, which raw image program works from a Windows 8.1 install media, shift F10 command console.
I'll search.

Do not continue Windows 7 so far. The final result is uncertain and may fail.
Restoring Windows 8 to a clean disk is the next task.


Continue Windows 7 then:

http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c04501162
Spare part number 792785-001:
System board equipped with an Intel Celeron N2840 processor with 2 GB system memory, 32 GB eMMC hard drive,
and the Windows 7 or non-Windows operating systems (includes thermal grease and thermal pads)

Spare part number 792785-501:
System board equipped with an Intel Celeron N2840 processor with 2 GB system memory, 32 GB eMMC hard drive,
and the Windows 8.1 Standard operating system (includes thermal grease and thermal pads

Some driver hints:

Start at laptop manufacturer offer for Windows 8.1
http://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/HP-Stream-13-Notebook-PC/7372147/model/7527435

E.g. Intel Chipset Installation Utility and Driver
Run 7-zip, extract sp69111.exe. View the files. There is a folder \WIN7.
Make preddy good guess: this chipset driver package works at Windows 7 too.

Play a game:
Try all HP Stream Notebook - 13-c004tu Windows 8.1 drivers.
First the Chipset driver.
Next Intel Embedded Drivers for Windows 7
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24548/
Add the rest HP drivers.

View the device manager now.
What's yellow marked? Read the HardareID and the Compatible ID.
E.g. the USB 3.0 controller is not installed.

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