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Research on AM3+ board and chipsets: Resume

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@ruthan  I would need to know specifically what happened when you tried to use the 7600.

  I have very bad memory, its about 5 years. Im not sure, maybe it not even posted, no picture after boot at all.. or freeze during Win9x boot. Only thing im sure that it was Gigabyte card with passive cooler, probably with less that 512 MB.

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If you don't see the Logo and/or DOS Screen, then the problem is elsewhere.
None of the problems I have identified would stop you from reaching Safe-Mode Windows.

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> > > PCI-E cards work fine under 98SE
> >
> > Based on what I'm reading here about video cards, I just bought these off e-bay:
> > BFG Tech GeForce 7950GT DirectX 9 256MB PCI Express x16 ($30)
> > BFG Tech GeForce 7900GS DirectX 9 256MB PCI Express x16 ($28)
> > Will use one or the other on an Asrock 4-Core DUAL-VSTA
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> I had this board and i have failed to make Geforce 7600 PCI-E running

Nice to find that out now.

> PCI-E cards work fine under 98SE

Tell me - what motherboard with PCIe has decent win-98 driver support?

 

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775i915PL-SATA2  ?

915 chipset has win-98 drivers?  Too bad it's not DDR-2.  Even though there *appears* to be many boards, the reality is different.  The search results show many boards that don't show win-98 in the actual page.

Besides the 915-based boards, I see AMD SiS756 based boards.  And it seems all of them are DDR, perhaps DDR 400 at that.  And they all have HD-Audio, so you're not gaining anything there because there will not be HD-audio drivers for win-98 (has anyone checked the driver download for the  775i915PL-SATA2 ?)  Funny how it looks like SATA-2 in the model name, but is actually SATA-1 controller.  And there are win-98 SATA drivers for the 915?  I thought the 875 was the last Intel chipset to have Win-98 SATA drivers.

Even if there are win-98 drivers for the 915PL (including SATA, USB and LAN controllers) I don't see the point in getting these boards over a socket-478 board unless they have DDR-2.  Fully-functional PCIe is a good thing, but for win-98 it's not going to out-perform AGP so the DDR vs DDR2 thing becomes more relevant.  Having win98 sound drivers for the 915PL would, however, tilt this in favor of the 915.

 Show me a non-Via chipset board with socket 775 and DDR-2, with win-98 drivers for LAN, SATA, USB, PCIe bridge, not necessarily having audio driver.  Or show me the same except without PCIe slot but with AGP slot.

I'm not familar with AMD CPU's of the same vintage and performance of the Intel 478/775 models and the level of win-98 driver support for such AMD-based boards.  Maybe there are some?
 

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Boards with full driver support have all the modern features - of 2001 (That's when XP came out, just if you don't remember).

That's why this research on AM3+ was done in the first place, right? ;)

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On Sunday, March 19, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Nomen said:

Tell me - what motherboard with PCIe has decent win-98 driver support?

14 hours ago, Nomen said:

 Show me a non-Via chipset board with socket 775 and DDR-2, with win-98 drivers for LAN, SATA, USB, PCIe bridge, not necessarily having audio driver.  Or show me the same except without PCIe slot but with AGP slot.

You keep asking for a PCI-E motherboard "with 98 drivers"... what exactly do you hope to accomplish here? There are no "drivers" for motherboard chipsets other than a simple set of INF text files as I have already stated before. I have provided an unofficial set of these for later Intel chipset-based systems by taking the 2K/XP INF files and converting them to the expected 9x format using the 865/875 INF's as a guide. You will not find "drivers" for a motherboard other than this, and the system does not even NEED them anyway. :rolleyes:

Now, as for onboard devices, you can forget a SATA driver for any "modern" board unless you want to buy rloew's patch, but we've been through that before as well. You can also forget any driver for HD Audio (unless rloew and I have a breakthrough on this front which has not been promising so far - but if you won't buy the SATA patch then you probably won't buy a HD Audio driver package either if we ever get there so why mention it...). LAN is simple - look for a board using a Realtek LAN chip and then check it against the last Realtek driver package for 98SE. USB(2) is already covered by NUSB. USB(3) is out same as HD Audio, once again unless there is a breakthrough orchestrated by rloew.

Now to go back to your main issue - I have yet to see any issues with using PCI-E graphics cards under 98SE other than the issue at 512MB that has been previously discussed. No doubt problems can occur in some hardware configurations but I would say the systems exhibiting "problems" are the exceptions not the rule.

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22 hours ago, Nomen said:

Show me a non-Via chipset board with socket 775 and DDR-2, with win-98 drivers for LAN, SATA, USB, PCIe bridge, not necessarily having audio driver.  Or show me the same except without PCIe slot but with AGP slot.

What's wrong with VIA-Chipsets?

This one -> http://www.asrock.com/mb/VIA/4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0/ runs fine for me, with W98SE, XP Pro and W10, with native drivers on all OSs.

Q9550S (@266FSB), or a Q6600; 4GB DDR2-800 (@667) or 4GB DDR-400; GF 7900 GT 512MB AGP or GF 7600 256MB PCIe; Intel MT Gigabit PCI or Onboard 100MBit; SB Audigy PCI. 2IDE-SSDs, 2 SATAII-SSDs (@SATA1).

It's like shopping with Dad's Golden Credit Card(tm), you can run practically *all* hardware after PIII on this one... :)

The AM2+ aequivalent, as you asked for it: http://www.asrock.com/mb/NVIDIA/ALiveDual-eSATA2/ runs (mostly) fine with W98SE, XP 64bit and some Linux, albeit not with anything newer from M$ than Vista, because of NForce3 chipset...

i.e. ran with: Phenom II 910e; 16GB DDR2-800; onboard Gigabit Lan (RTL8111B), GF 7900 GT 512MB AGP or GF 7600 256MB PCIe; SB Audigy PCI. 1IDE-SSD, 2 SATAIII-SSDs (@SATAII), + 2 SATAII-SSDs (@SATAI).

I still rather prefer the AM3+ platform... but to each his own.

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@rloew It is lost in history, probably i dont even know if have still this board, i need to check it.

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> What's wrong with VIA-Chipsets?

Ruthan said he's never gotten a PCIe video card to work on VIA-chipset boards (or at least the Asrock 4coreDual boards, specifically the VSTA which I have).  Aside:  What's the difference between the dual-VSTA and dual-SATA anyways?


 

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