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JodyT

Windows XP - Deepest Impressions

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So?  You're just pointing out departments where IT personnel should be fired for running behind ...lol.

I'm OK for running XP when NOTHING connects to it (like my music system - but I only use it because the computer was already set up and working.  I would never do it again).  But professional environments that are liable in any way should use supported software.

 

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With all due respect, Jody, you're entitled to your opinion and I do respect it. :yes:
But this thread is about registering the fact that XP actually still *is* everywhere, in a factual, objective way.
Hence, you're way off-topic (and I trully suspect you knew that even before posting)...
Let's please keep on topic. If you want to open the nth "XP users in corporate environment should burn in hell", please be my guest... but you already know it'll be a helluva flame-bait, in this specific forum, right? :unsure:

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4 hours ago, JodyT said:

So?  You're just pointing out departments where IT personnel should be fired for running behind ...lol.

I'm OK for running XP when NOTHING connects to it (like my music system - but I only use it because the computer was already set up and working.  I would never do it again).  But professional environments that are liable in any way should use supported software.

 

hey my dear !! whats the heck with you ??????

Do you want to say spyware filled / crap filled / unstable os should be considered instead of fast stable reliable one ?

You will say that only 10 is infected but for your kind information 7 and newer has NSABackdoors hope you want to send your information to national security agency . All army sectors in most of Asia still uses either Linux deepin or XP . XP way ahead than modern crap so keep silence.

Moreover your fav windows 8 is just 1.7% market share where we are third most used system . So majority is power

if i say you XP is more secure than newer craps

You may not do but russia / India /China and other parts of Asia are  happy with XP .

Come here once how people hate newer system as they know how MS misuses their personal information through newer craps 

for you kind information 7 is responsible for wannacry spread not XP but bloody fools blaming xp everywhere 

see here https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/19/15665488/wannacry-windows-7-version-xp-patched-victim-statistics

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@Dibya, my friend, I hope nobody else responds to your post, and I wish you hadn't made it.  dencorso already addressed jody's post, so your's was not necessary.  Your comment was an example of what dencorso was trying to avoid.

And before jaclaz mentions it, I will - Please stop using the phrase "my dear."  You might think that it is the same as "my friend" as I used above, but in the US, (and other English speaking cultures?), it is not. I think it is often interpreted as condescending, at least in this day and age, so it is not appreciated.  I know you meant well, but ..  [I suppose that "my friend" could also be considered condescending by some, but I only use it for those I truly consider to be a friend, at least a casual one.  However, if you view it as condescending then I will stop using the phrase.]

Cheers and Regards

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10 hours ago, dencorso said:

With all due respect, Jody, you're entitled to your opinion and I do respect it. :yes:
But this thread is about registering the fact that XP actually still *is* everywhere, in a factual, objective way.
Hence, you're way off-topic (and I trully suspect you knew that even before posting)...
Let's please keep on topic. If you want to open the nth "XP users in corporate environment should burn in hell", please be my guest... but you already know it'll be a helluva flame-bait, in this specific forum, right? :unsure:

I meant it more as "If a company has to bear liability for something going wrong, and IT systems have something to do with that, then shouldn't supported systems be always in use?" - that's what I meant.

I don't always believe that discourse on a thread should have to be agreeable at all times.  If I really think XP being used in a business is bad, and this thread "celebrates" it, should I not be able to express disagreement?  I never want to just be someone who goes along with the tide of popular opinion.  That's just being disingenuous.

Anyway, I will leave it at that.  I understand what you're trying to prevent.  No harm intended.

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On 9/11/2017 at 9:21 PM, JodyT said:

I meant it more as "If a company has to bear liability for something going wrong, and IT systems have something to do with that, then shouldn't supported systems be always in use?" - that's what I meant.

This sounds a lot like a "let's find a way to shift the blame to *something or someone else* in case of anything going wrong" which is pretty much common in corporations, and particularly in the IT department.  

 

@bphlpt

My dear colleague [1], thanks for the pre-emptive notice :w00t: to Dybia on my behalf. We will see how it will be received by the young padawan :whistle:.

 

jaclaz

 

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On 9/12/2017 at 5:39 AM, jaclaz said:

This sounds a lot like a "let's find a way to shift the blame to *something or someone else* in case of anything going wrong" which is pretty much common in corporations, and particularly in the IT department.  

 

Yes, I know accountability can be equated to corporate blame.  Still you want to be able to pick up a phone a call your vendor right?

I do have to ask something though (and this isn't starting a fight - just hear me out).  Why is my negativity expressed towards XP frowned upon, yet we have ENTIRE threads called "Windows 10 is the worst crap ever"?  Now I agree, I hate Windows 10 too, but Dibya would have you believe that even Windows 7 and 8 have "crap-wares" submitting info to the government.  But me expressing that XP in a corporate environment is ..... er, a bad idea?  See what I mean?  I really think we should be able to openly discuss, argue (politely) and even disagree with our points and beliefs.  No personal vendetta is ever meant.  If there is real offense taken, then we are taking this all too seriously.

I find I learn best when sides disagree, because you hear other points of view.  When we all agree, nothing new is exchanged, right?

 

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50 minutes ago, JodyT said:

Yes, I know accountability can be equated to corporate blame.  Still you want to be able to pick up a phone a call your vendor right?

I do have to ask something though (and this isn't starting a fight - just hear me out).  Why is my negativity expressed towards XP frowned upon, yet we have ENTIRE threads called "Windows 10 is the worst crap ever"?  Now I agree, I hate Windows 10 too, but Dibya would have you believe that even Windows 7 and 8 have "crap-wares" submitting info to the government.  But me expressing that XP is a work is a bad idea in a corporate environment is ..... er, a bad idea?  See what I mean?  I really think we should be able to openly discuss, argue (politely) and even disagree with our points and beliefs.  No personal vendetta is ever meant.  If there is real offense taken, then we are taking this all too seriously.

I find I learn best when sides disagree, because you hear other points of view.  When we all agree, nothing new is exchanged, right?

 

If you configure XP properly in Corporate Environment it will outshine anything 

i. Most of the Application should be cloud based now a days so basically it is more secure like Office365.

ii.Data should be stored in clouds like Gdrive , Gdrive still work on XP.

iii. Good Hardware firewall and any endpoint security will serve beyond what Microsoft can serve in patch Tuesday   

Advantages of using XP::

i. Comp ability with most of modern as well as all older software . A company cannot invest millions of dollars on software for ditching their old operating system .

ii.Outstanding LAN performance ; No one can deny can XP/server2k3 runs fast dealing LAN networks like print command is very fast in xp.

iii. Old hardware can outshine with fabulous performance since just a P4 and 1gb ram is overkill for XP.

iv. Low maintenance since 7 and newer has lots of system components generates too much fragments in hdd , temps and bloating of registry etc . Their fore they requires a yearly reinstall where as XP can be easy optimized with freewares easily .

v. Production application runs very fast on XP . Like visual studios ,3d max , Maya ,fl studio outperform when they runs on XP . Thanks to AUDIO , VIDEO and CPU accelerators which are well optimized in XP.

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Note, actually I have registered in this forum because the users reciprocally no accusations make which Windows version a user prefers. I also prefer Windows XP, but I also have no problems working with other versions of Windows. In many German-speaking forums, hardly one has what postet and already one can not save itself from comments. With under of because of you're a safety risk and other meanstream bla bla that give any self-appointed specialists of themselves. Therefore, mutual respect is one of the aspects that made this forum great!

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1 hour ago, heinoganda said:

Note, actually I have registered in this forum because the users reciprocally no accusations make which Windows version a user prefers. I also prefer Windows XP, but I also have no problems working with other versions of Windows. In many German-speaking forums, hardly one has what postet and already one can not save itself from comments. With under of because of you're a safety risk and other meanstream bla bla that give any self-appointed specialists of themselves. Therefore, mutual respect is one of the aspects that made this forum great!

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And I respect that.  Again, no ill will meant.  But I think being able to disagree (and to express why) is a good thing too.  Anyway, no more on this from me, I promise.

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2 hours ago, JodyT said:

When we all agree, nothing new is exchanged, right?

Not only, 

When everyone agrees there are risks :ph34r::

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks05/0500421h.html#c03

Now to get back on topic (of the need to disagree), we must agree to disagree. :w00t:

One thing is someone expressing his/her own disappointment (or disgust) at something (or on the contrary show one's enthusiasm or appreciation for something).

Another thing is telling other people what they should do.

So, I can say that the way Metro Apps work suck (and suck big) and you can say (hypothesis) that they are much better than traditional programs. 

Both these are opinions, and each of us will bring some arguments, examples, anecdotes, etc. in favour of his thesis, and possibly the discussion will also heat up a little bit, but all the time the reciprocal respect remains unchanged.

The moment I start (still hypothesis) saying that people using Metro Apps should be fired, that professionals should not allow the use of Metro Apps, I am clearly stepping over a (maybe subtle and almost invisible, still right there) border line, starting to touch other people freedoms. reputation and what not.

Much more if there is not a fully demonstrated, 100% proved, objective, undeniable reason behind such a thesis.

Besides, comments like your original one (as dencorso stated off-topic here since the thread is - or was - intended only as a  "documentary" of the remaining "public" use of XP) will inevitably provoke a rebuttal, and then a (senseless) war is likely to start, with reciprocal accuses of incompetence, fanboyism, condescence, etc.

In other words, I believe that you can well start a new thread titled "Why Windows XP sucks" (or "is totally outdated" or "is insecure", etc.) and there we can well discuss (hopefully in a plain manner)  the matter, but not here.

As a matter of fact if we can (for once and exceptionally ;)) agree on something, if you are OK with it I would ask dencorso to move the off topic posts, starting from your original comment to a separate thread.

jaclaz

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, jaclaz said:

start a new thread titled "Why Windows XP sucks" (or "is totally outdated" or "is insecure", etc.)

Provided Jody agrees to it, I'd be pleased to split the thread. Then again, I think we should call it: "Windows XP - Deepest Impressions", because of the tradition already established here at MSFN by similarly named threads...

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EDIT: FWIW, I wrote this reply before this whole opera was consolidated into its own thread; JodyT's comments seemed (to me) rather strikingly off-topic and pointless in the context of the thread they initially appeared in.

On 9/16/2017 at 4:39 PM, JodyT said:

I do have to ask something though (and this isn't starting a fight - just hear me out).  Why is my negativity expressed towards XP frowned upon, yet we have ENTIRE threads called "Windows 10 is the worst crap ever"?

One of the reasons I personally tend to :rolleyes: at these types of posts of yours is that IIRC you've mentioned a number of times how you used to really hate some newer Windows versions, and how now you've learned to like them and "moved on" from XP, with a strong implication that everyone should do the same. Somehow, the way you present it comes across as a religious argument, about how you used to believe in a wrong god but now you've found the right one and everyone should do the same.

For starters, logically a big part of "moving on" would be that you don't keep coming back to lecture those who are now in the "wrong" from your point of view. I assume the reason most people say harsh words about Windows 10 is because they've tried it and strongly dislike certain aspects of it and MS behavior surrounding it. It's a fresh experience for them, often an ongoing one, they haven't "moved on" from it years ago. That's completely different from your self-described situation with XP.

Then, I think virtually none of the regulars here are still on vanilla XP, they have all gone down the POSReady 2009 route. So talking about it as if people who are (for all intents and purposes) using a product still supported by MS - with updates coming out every month just as for any other supported Windows version - are irresponsible and a major threat to the Internet or whatnot is simply twisting the reality. A lot of the people here are more than capable of determining whether or not their choice of OS is a risk to them and the world at large or not - and they're unlikely to appreciate implications to the contrary. Wait until after the POSReady EOL. maybe? :P

And finally, why does there have to be something irrational about someone still using XP, can't it be a perfectly rational decision? If it still does everything we need (and doesn't do what we don't want), why shouldn't we keep using it? As I think I've already said in a similar discussion in the past, we live in the age of virtualization and can and do use other OS-s in parallel to XP whenever such a need arises. i know that should XP outlive its usefulness for me and become a hindrance or an unacceptable security risk, I will stop using it as my main OS, no question about it. But I'm not going to do so because of marketing speak, scare tactics, artificial crippling of software, or anyone's proselytizing, and I think many people here feel the same.

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@JodyT, First off, the way I see it, your comments and views are very appropriate and appreciated here at MSFN, and we're not trying to say that you shouldn't make them at all.  We're just criticizing where you make them.

They are appropriate in a thread talking about the OS of your choice, Windows 8 for you, where you can extol on why you are glad you made the switch.  They're good in a thread about OS in general where comments about all OS are welcome.  They are fine in a thread about XP that is about both the positives and negatives, or negatives only for that matter since that matches your views.  They're appropriate when there is a question directly posed about whether someone should, or should not, switch from XP or to Windows 8.x.

But in a thread specifically about the positives, or in this case the public continued use, of XP, they are not appreciated.  Instead they come across, as @mixit explained, preachy at best. And it comes across that you are especially against XP since your posts about moving to Windows 8 seem to be almost always in threads about XP, and rarely, if ever, in threads about Windows 9.x, Win2K, Vista, Windows 7, or even Windows 10.

And in a case of the pot calling the kettle black, in ends up that you are also using an OS that is no longer fully supported. :)  According to Redmond Magazine on 2016-01-13, Windows 8 No Longer Supported and Potentially Insecure:

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... it might be casually thought that Windows 8 had a lot more life to it, and that it hadn't even completed its first mainstream support phase.

But Microsoft changed its terms, leading to an early Windows 8 death. Microsoft's lifecycle support page provides an explanation, but most people likely would be confused by it.

Visitors to the lifecycle support page for Windows 8 will see the following table, which shows extended support end date of Jan. 10, 2023 for Window 8.

On the face of it, the policy seems to be suggesting that Windows 8 users don't have to move for a long time. However, they have to read the note on the right where Microsoft explains that Windows 8 users have to move to Windows 8.1 two years after the general availability date of Windows 8.1, which happened on Nov. 13, 2013.

Based on that November date, readers of the lifecycle support page might have thought that Windows 8 would have exited extended support on Nov. 13, 2015, but that turns out not to be correct. They have to click on the FAQ link for Windows 8.1 to see Microsoft's statement that the end of extended support for Windows 8 happens on Jan. 12, 2016.

"With the General Availability of Windows 8.1, customers on Windows 8 have 2 years, until January 12, 2016, to move to Windows 8.1 in order to remain supported," the FAQ states. ...

On 2016-01-13, the table for Window 8 referred to above lists the Mainstream Support End Date as 2018-01-09 and the Extended Support End Date as 2023-01-10, but if you look at that table today, both dates are listed as Not Applicable.  The article's point, though, that you have to move to Windows 8.1 within two years of its availability, is still the same.  There are no exceptions made if your hardware does not fully support Windows 8.1, which is your situation I believe?

But you'll probably say that that's OK since you apply the updates from Server 2012 so you're still covered.  Isn't that the same thing that POSReady accomplishes for XP users?

And even if you absolutely insist on stating your views where they are not appreciated, they might be better tolerated if you didn't seem to always insist on having the last word on the matter.  You could have let the matter drop after your first post and @dencorso chastized you, but you had to respond to dencorso, jaclaz, and heinoganda even though you kept saying "I will leave it at that" and "no more on this from me, I promise."

You are in a definite minority in preferring Windows 8.  According to NetMarketShare.com's Desktop Operating Market Share, Windows 8 only has a market share of 1.35%, Windows 8.1 and XP each have 6.07 %, Windows 10 has 27.99% and Windows 7 has 48.43%.  But yet I can't remember a specific case where anyone criticized you for your choice.  That is one of the great things about MSFN.  There are support threads here for users of almost all of the various MS OS.

So I hope you will agree that dencorso should split these posts into a different thread.  It might end up being an interesting one.  It might even encourage folks that agree with your position to post, since so far they haven't. Like you said, we are all more likely to learn something if we have a thorough discussion on the matter, instead of the current situation where you are trying to make your point and we are mostly telling you to not make your point here.

Cheers and Regards

 

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17 hours ago, dencorso said:

Provided Jody agrees to it, I'd be pleased to split the thread. Then again, I think we should call it: "Windows XP - Deepest Impressions", because of the tradition already established here at MSFN by similarly named threads...

Oh I have no problem with that.  Jaclaz's comment were very complete mind you.  And I suppose I'd have more to say, but yes in a thoughtful manner.

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