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IceFairyAmy

Is ME really that bad?

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98SE2ME would be great, if it supported other languages of 98SE, not just English.

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Depends on your definition of bad.

Do you want to own your computer, and feel free to use it for the next 40 years until, and go through as many hard drives as you want, and get your money's worth out of it.

Or do you want to rent a worthless hunk of soon-to-be expired piece of over priced scrap metal that will become outdated in year, because of planned obsolescence that will require to buy the same old crap year after year, for the rest of your natural life.

The top is Windows ME.... the bottom scenario is EVERYTHING after Windows ME. (Windows 2000 came out first, so yes, Windows ME was the last real Operating System that you didn't RENT.)

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I was at Best Buy yesterday looking at the Computer section. It looked like something out of Star Trek. Too many Egyptian Hieroglyphs and stupid buttons that I can't tell what they mean. In short, the user interface stunk. I still think the Windows 3.1 Program Manager was the greatest desktop screen ever invented :-)





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You can still use Program Manager in XP SP1 and (I'm 90% sure) copy it to SP3 - but on XP you can run at least… anything?

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> 98SE2ME would be great, if it supported other languages of 98SE, not just English.

If i recall correctly, MDGx provides the 98SE2ME source code as well as a translation guide -- see the page i gave links to in a previous post. Since the 98SE2ME source is just installer code (98SE2ME doesn't provide the actual ME files that are used for updating -- they come from your own ME disk), translating doesn't (potentially) seem like a difficult job. So if you have a ME disc in your language (which i'm assuming you do), you're all set!

> Windows ME was the last real Operating System that you didn't RENT.

Totally in agreement! The main reason i've never seriously moved beyond Win9x. (Tho i have flirted a tinybit with XP... after removing the reg requirement.)

- Doug B.

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Windows ME on launch day on brand new Gateway 2000 or E-Machines computers was not any good. Maybe for some weeks there was a lot of crashing going on. But what happens after I refused to touch the thing? It apparently got better. Some people had this type of experience with Vista also, but the stigma of a bad release never goes away. So Windows ME and Vista will always be bad to most people.

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11 hours ago, DougB said:

If i recall correctly, MDGx provides the 98SE2ME source code as well as a translation guide -- see the page i gave links to in a previous post. Since the 98SE2ME source is just installer code (98SE2ME doesn't provide the actual ME files that are used for updating -- they come from your own ME disk), translating doesn't (potentially) seem like a difficult job. So if you have a ME disc in your language (which i'm assuming you do), you're all set!
 

Not all (un)official patches are available for Polish version of ME currently. I could transplant ME files myself, but what about newer files than on the CD? Wayback Machine can only help so much. People focused on the English version (which I understand), so that's why I'm slightly irritated about that.

Besides, totally off-topic, I do not really like MDGx's writing style about anything, extremely convoluted!

As for the main topic, in the span of just three(!) years, M$ released 5 OS's! (98FE, 98SE, 2000, ME, XP)

No wonder one of them could have failed, they were busy back in the day, there was only so much time for quality assurance, not to mention consulting with the PC component manufacturers and suppliers at the same time, it was crazy, I'd imagine.

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Yes, I agree with DougB

98SE2ME + U98SESP3 are an ultimate combination. If someone is willing to patch the english files for their native language, I would help them build a SP. You wouldn't have to patch every file either, which is a good thing.

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD

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> Not all (un)official patches are available for Polish
> version of ME currently. I could transplant ME files
> myself, but what about newer files than on the CD?

Hope i'm not misunderstanding you, but i'm feeling a bit of a need to clarify what 98SE2ME is and is not: It's *not* an incremental/on-going updater -- it's a one-time updater. It takes the ME disc and copies over certain files (over 700 actually!) that are ME equivalents/updates of 98SE files. But some ME files do not work correctly in 98SE -- MDGx has tested for compatibility, and the program only copies the ME files that work ok in 98SE.

If you want to further update the files with newer versions, you can of course do that manually. But that's not the purview of 98SE2ME. It only uses files on the original ME disc.

So again, if you have a ME disc in your own language (and of course, a 98SE installation in your own language), it would seem to be not-too-difficult a task to translate 98SE2ME, using the translation guide and source code provided on the 98SE2ME site. Not to forget ProblemChyld's gracious offer of help in the previous post.

> I do not really like MDGx's writing style about
> anything, extremely convoluted!

Yeh, i agree that MDGx's writing style can be kind of disconcertingly verbose. :) Still, we miss his contributions around these parts.

> Yes, I agree with DougB
> 98SE2ME + U98SESP3 are an ultimate combination.

And i agree with ProblemChyld! :) However, i additionally use KernelEx and a few other updates not included in U98SESP3. (For example, the "experimental" VC++ 9 runtime files for 9x.)

- Doug B.

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Thanks for the replies everyone. It's good to see there are people that do support this much hated operating system and the 9x line in general :)

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On 10/25/2017 at 12:43 AM, IceFairyAmy said:

Thanks for the replies everyone. It's good to see there are people that do support this much hated operating system and the 9x line in general :)

I can confirm Windows ME is WAY better with "newer" (2004) hardware than 98SE xD
A short list of problems I encountered only in 98SE that ME did easily

  • Missing cab and dll files that prevented the installation of drivers (having the 98SE did not resolve these issues)
  • Modded wireless broadcom driver caused the 98SE system to slow worse than a turtle with USB speeds of a slug
  • System hangs with a simplest of tasks such as opening an explorer window (caused by driver)
  • USB support had to be implanted via CD drive while ME had the USB ready-to-go

The missing real-mode DOS can be brought back as well! But using DOSbox might be a better choice. When I used the realtime DOS, software did not have sound on my newer hardware!

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