[Jazz]

Hmm for the intro fellas, i have a seagate 120gig 7200.7 7200rpm hdd, 2mb cache.. ideally it should transfer at very high speeds... liek for eg to move or copy a 700 mb iso from one partition to another , ideally it shouldnt take more than 40 secs...

BUT, in windows it takes more than 2 minutes... i'm using intel application accelerator and the ide controller drivers are the latest... so wass happening ??, ok i've been a long lost linux user, so just to try my luck i tried booting with knoppix, set up my dma,read ahead thingy's etc etc and voila... it takes 39secs to do the same task !!! why ???

for some insight, i have the cdrom and the hdd on the same cable... but i also removed the cdrom completely and rechecked... still the same problems !

i was almost gonna buy a new hdd just cuz of this u know.. this is getting really annoying, and i have a very serious belief that some of the new hotfix is causing this silly stupid bug... but i dunno for sure..

Please help me. !!

Bye,
Jazz

ps:- oo btw i'm using linux now and ohh boy it feels wonderful, i'm getting a strong urge to shift back to linux

[gamehead200]

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[dtmunir]

heeey!!! i ddint know this
i hv a seagate 40 GB (yeh i know its tiny ) 7200 rpm drive
it NEVER takes 40 seconds to move 700 mb. takes around 4 mins!!!
anyone tell me wts goin on here??
danish

[Jazz]

ok well u need to give some more info... like

Hdd Model no:
Os used :

and have u connected the cd rom and hdd to the same channel ? are u using the 80 conductor cable ?

Which chipset are u using, (intel,via,sis etc..), and is the dma enabled ? etc etc...

People, pls tell me wass goin on ! i'm goin crazzy... has anyone else experienced this ?? i'm on winxp with all the hotfixes installed (sp1).. the same drive was working fine a few months ago, until i started really slow disk transfer rates and then i decided to investigate...

The worst part that its working absolutely perfect in linux...

Bye,
Jazz

[dtmunir]

ok..heres the info:
hd: seagate 40 Gb 7200 rpm (ST340016A)
os: win xp pro
hddisk master on primary cable
cd rom slave + cd writer master on secondary cable
dont know whether its 80 pin or 40 pin? how can u tell. doesnt say anythin on the cable itself
its the Asus p4p800 deluxe mboard, and uses an intel chipset (i hope )

how do i check dma- enabled.

i checked my primary IDE channel in device manager, it has dma mode on auto select, and current mode says Multi word DMA mode 2.

thx a lot
danish
ps: love ur signature, even though im a pro-microsoft guy, its really witty,

[XtremeMaC]

well not really what u're looking for but I believe fragmentation could cause that...

yes it uses intel chipset, as a matter of fact my friend just bought the same mb today i865 chipset I believe.
hdd should be on the 80 pin one its grey colored if u're using the cables that came with the mb.
40 pins go for the cdroms.

hmm serial ata exist on that board so why don't u use the sata interface instead of the ide??? (well obvious reason u might not have sata hdd but i'd think if u bought a mb with sata u should buy a hdd with sata support )

[Jazz]

ohh, thank gosh u're here eXtreme... i really needed some pro advice...

Ok the thing is that if there was any fragmenation in the hdd, its pretty obvious that Linux and windows wud have to deal with it in the same way, cuz as i dont have any linux installed on my hdd, instead i had booted it from my cdrom, that makes the things more complicated...

as i have my cdrom and hdd on the same cable, hence booting linux from the rom and copying the files, should instead be much slower in linux.. but instead the results are even more faster than having only my hdd on the data cable in windows i'm totally confused ! i bet it has to do something with the hotfixes, or the chipset inf utility or the intel application accelerator..

I'm very sure that most of the guys here have a intel chipset board, and obviously they all have the latest chipset inf's installed 5.1.1.xxxx and also they wud be using the intel application accelarator 2.3 , so why sint it affecting them ?? or is it that they have been affected and they are'nt aware of it ???

ok, i got 7200 rpm drive and it takes ~3 mins to copy one 700 mb file from any partition to any partition..

How much time does it take for you ??

Please help me out with this, as my primary os is windows and i dont want to live in an inferior surroundings

BYe,
Jazz

[Alanoll]

Intel 865PE Chipset.
From one hdd on primary channel, to another on the same channel.

File size : 679 MB.
Time Taken : 8 Seconds.

Type of HDDs: Maxtor and WD.
Speed: 7200
8MB cache.
IDE connected. (though I do have 2 SATA connections, I don't ahve the drives).

Intel Application Accelerator? I don't believe that has ever touched my system.

[Jazz]

8 seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are u kiddin me !! OMG OMFG OMDFG !!!!

jees.. u just made me feel like a ***in PIG ! i'm disgraced of myself.. i'm gonna suicide the minitue i turn 99yrs !

Ok lets get down to buisness... how much do u want for that $$$

Ok ok ok, just kidding.. man look what have u done to me !! phew.. hmm,... well tell me the transfer rates from the same hdd to the same hdd in the same channel !

Lets see how much do u get it then eh !

Bye,
Jazz

[Alanoll]

17 seconds.

Any other tests you want? My system is neccesarily all that fast, a mere 2.4 ghz P4

I should also point out....
I have 3 harddrives, 3 CDROMs (DVD burner, DVD ROM, CD burner). 1 gig of PC3200 ram. I had to make up for the lag of having 3 hdds

[Jazz]

duh, how have u connected all that ? pls specify the ide configuration..
i too have a 2.4 ghz, but i dont think that makes a hell lotta difference, as the dma is supposed to get past that...

There has to be something wrong witm my config... maybe its the 2mb cache drives ? hey but the thing is that i need help ! my hdd transfers are very very slow now, pls suggest something..

Bye,
Jazz

[dtmunir]

8 seconds??????????? HOWWW?? thts just insane....i hv almost FOUR MINUTES!!! :'(

i lead a pathetic and SAD life
i should be SHOT
btw...i dont hv intel application accelarator installed. but do u really think tht can make such a difference..
im going to install it right now and see if it does!!

[Jazz]

no reply ??

[XtremeMaC]

lol @dtmunir
well again a small chance but
if u're copying like 1000files/folders total at 700mb creating them takes little more time than just copying a file that's 700mb.
also if u've partitioned your hdd and moving from 1 part to the other that also slows things down.
other than these maybe it depends on the brand of the hdd, brand of the mb,

[Alanoll]

alrighty....
I have one hdd connected on the primary channel.
Two hdd connected to a ATA133 card (right there is a bottleneck) on the primary channel.
One CDROM connected to the secondary channel of the ATA133 card.
The other two CDROMs on the secondary mobo channel.

I DON'T have Intel Application Accelerator installed.

My first test, was from one of my harddrives on the ATA133 card to the primary, and the second was from Primary to Primary.

My system is not overclocked at all. So it's not that.

Perhaps you need the mobo drivers installed? Like all the bus drivers?

AS for the cache, it really does help. Not by that great of difference however, should only add a fraction to the time.

It could also be that you have other processes running. Even though the file copy doesn't seem like it, it still gets channeled through the processor.

[dtmunir]

ok its like this. ive been reading other stuff on this forum and others and have come to the conclusion that the hardware being sold by intel, seagate, samsung, kingston and all the other major vendors is of sub standard quality, primarily because they face little or no competitoon (here AMD has JUST started making a presence, and Apple isnt even heard of. same goes for the hard disk market, no western digital or ANYTHIGN else, only seagate)

I have the following specs, and comparing my performance in terms of boot time, disk access time, and other wise to people with similar configurations i find that there must be something TERRIBLY wrong with my hardware.

my specs:
-Intel P4 2.4 Ghz 533 Bus processor
-Asus P4p800 deluxe mboard (with all drivers on m/board cd installed except for the Application Accelarator for Raid which refuses to install ony my pc, but which i dont think matters because i dont HAVE raid)
- 512 PC3200 ( i think ) 333Mhz (definite) bus Samsung Ram
- a 40 GB Seagate 7200 Rpm drive. (model: st340016A)

my performace tests:
-xp pro boot time on a CLEAN installation: roughly 30 seconds from the time i press the power button
- xp pro boot time after installing all the usual apps (believe me i hv nothing facy tht stays in the memory and eats resources, or hardly any start up apps), and after 1 month of using: roughly 50-60 seconds
- file copy: from 1 partition to another, a 700 mb .avi file: ALMOST 4 minutes!!!!

I tried replacing my drive from my brothers pc which also has a 40 Gb but 5400 RPM drive (thinkin tht maybe mine was going bust) and the time taken was still almost same, just a lil more.

I also know tht i have experience such performance for ever, and it is nothing new. its just tht now ive come to realise tht other ppl with similar specs experience much better performance.

i dont understand this problems esp considerin tht i pay just as much for my hardware as most ppl in the US/Europe.

talk abt discrimination (just kiddin...
danish

[Alanoll]

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intel, seagate, samsung, kingston and all the other major vendors is of sub standard quality, primarily because they face little or no competitoon

I sure hope you're talkin about in Europe.

Of all those brands, the ONLY ones I have in my computer, is Intel. And that's just hte chipset. Not the board.

333 = PC2700 I believe. Not sure though.

They don't sell substandard quality stuff. If they did, there would be numerous class action suits.

I RARELY see a seagate. The last one I saw was an old 2 gig. My drives are Maxtor, WD and a Hitachi. RAM is god knows. It's not kingston. Maybe PNY.

Samsung has never touched this computer.
Neither has Seagate.

I have:
P4 2.4 ghz 800 mhz bus
DFI 865PE board.
1 gig of PC3200.

[Jazz]

****... i dont believe seagate is that bad, cuz i know for sure that previously i had good transfer speeds... i dint it realise it much over a extended period, until recently i had to ONLY move a 700 mb avi to another partiton, and OH boy i had to wait 3 min's !! that really p***ed me off, and i thought that my hdd had gone bust..

So to reconfirm i booted into linux and tried copying the same file to the same location !! whoaaa, what do i see.. it takes only 35-39 secs...

Ok, thats why i'm more p***ed.. cuz i definately know its something to do with my softwares,drivers or the os itself and nothing to do with a brand..

Ohh infact the new seagate 7200.7 200Gb 8mb cache has selected as the best buy for price and performance at toms hardware.... so that proves it all, they claim it has a transfer rate of 64 mb/s and its even higher than the WD 10k rpm drive HOWZZ that !!

I'm planning to get that drive soon... its even got a 100gb per platter density, so its awesome...

http://www6.tomshard...0209/index.html check that out...

Bye,
Jazz

OK now please suggest me something, its the os i know for sure...

[Jazz]

dtmunir, on May 30 2004, 02:05 PM, said:

how do i check dma- enabled.

i checked my primary IDE channel in device manager, it has dma mode on auto select, and current mode says Multi word DMA mode 2.

hmm ok first u see that in the ends of the cable... One pin slot must be closed..
check the cable area which u insert to your hdd connector...

One pin should be blocked, if u see all the 40 holes open , then its not a ata-100 cable, if not then buy a new ata-100 cable..

Ok if thats not the case, then remove any other device connected to the same channel, and goto bios and set the dma mode to either auto or udma 5, OK..

Other wise if even thats not the case then set the dma mode to 5 via ur application accelerator interface...

I think then u should have greately improved your hdd speed...

Let me know if this helps, mean time i try to figure out wass goin on with my hdd..

Bye,
Jazz