[sven]

I saw michael Moore's film recently, and i want to know anyone elses opinion about the movie. i thout it was very interesting, and explains a lot. i just hope a lot of people go and see it.

[MSNwar]

So what is your opinion? Mine will have to wait till I see it all.

[sven]

i think it was really good. it explains a lot about george and might get him kicked out of office

[Drewdatrip]

I think the movie was mind blowing!
I had read about alot of the things moore was refering to, but seeing them with more proof was interesting.

Alot of people, aka bush supporters, have been outraged with this film and have been proclaiming it is nothing but lies.
Only thing I can stay to that is that lieying about the prez or anyone for that matter on film is considered slander...and in most cases is pulled be4 it ever reaches the public...so for the fact that the administration has not spoken up to discredit it, i belive the film is factualy sound.

The entire elite, saudi, iraq, United arms and enron thing just scares the bejesus out of me...and i think if more people saw this film it may encourge some people to be more active in the goverment and election

/Rant

|Drew|

[roto]

It is factually sound, but it's also a totally slanted view.


Left wing propaganda.


The TRUTH is about halfway between the bs thats on CNN and this movie

[Phyridean]

The thing that's really too bad is that this movie had to be made by Michael Moore. If it had been made by someone who was more respected in the industry, there would have been less support for the people who posit that all it contains is lies. Moore certainly hasn't done anything to endear himself to less...extreme types. So the people who already believe, or are riding the fence may benefit from the information in this movie, but anyone who's aligned with Bush's side is simply going to pass it off as Left Wing blubber. Too bad, but at least some people are getting the information, right?

[Doggie]

Well i recently got myself a copy of this via import.. For one Phyridean, Michael Moore is very much respected in the area of documentation.. lets face it, people hate listening to all the truth and proof of the wrong doings of it all.. the only people i've seen say its crap is the fact there in too much denial that all this is happening around us without noticing till now.. i thank michael moore he can make stuff like this public.. shame on disney who funnily enough gets tax cuts from jed bush and i just wonder if there was a few dollars chucked at them from jed to agree to not distribute it.. the laughs are on them, not only did it show the truth but disney missed out on all the money rolled in.. and back to the movie/documentary.. i found it amazingly informative and enjoyable to view.. and all the information he had obtained which proved many of his theorys totally on the ball.. the best i've seen from him.. it was well worth the $50 to import it

[Phyridean]

Ready to be really p***ed off? Disney's buying the rights to it now that it's made all that cash...exactly the kind of thing Moore would make a documentary about.

And as far as being well respected...well...you have a point, he IS respected by half the population, but the other half hates him, much like both of our current presidential candidates.

Just playing devil's advocate...

[Phyridean]

Oh Man! the "Huh" emoticon looks just like Bush...

Sorry...had to say it...

[Guitarplayingrl]

I saw the movie...Proves that no good daddys boy right out of the captains chair......

[Phyridean]

I just wish more people saw it that way...

[sven]

i still think it was a good movie, the thing is, that if u go to moorewatch.com you can see the way michael more made the movie seem more againsts george bush... most of the proofs are true and can be proven, but i dont know. their just people who dont like the truth maybe, depends

[MSNwar]

I have only seen about 75% of it so far, but I like what I have seen. Its different and believable. Wish the world was not so twisted.

[utln]

I haven't seen it. I probably won't. It's not because of the subject matter, it's because of the director. I don't trust Moore. If this movie falls in line with your views on Bush or America, you will not question it. If this movie does not fall in line with you views on Bush or America, you will not believe it. Plain and simple, integrity is dead. What is right and what is wrong has given way to how can I make myself look right and others wrong.

[Tokugawapants]

All politicians are corrupt. Moore can be a bit immature sometimes.

As you can see, my country is Japan, so my comments are going to be a bit biased. I think that Moore doesn't have the qualifications to make statements about foreign countries like Japan. He lives in North America, and its a completely different situation there. It's not like Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi really had a choice concerning joining the US in Iraq. There would be so many bad consequences for Japan if he didn't make that decision. The problem is that, although all politicians are corrupt, it is often that the worst ones hold the most power.

[Doggie]

moore doesnt just pick on random people.. he does a lot of research in the US and abroad.. and his immaturity is cool, watch the Awful Truth series.. there true classics

[Phyridean]

His immaturity is cool to us, the young, liberal, (and often non-voting) public. That's why so few people trust him, because so many people are older and conservative...but they're the ones who cast the most votes.

[Radimus]

It isn't just that... It is a given that anyone that WANTS political power is by defination power-hungry and corrupt.

The real problem is Moore himself. While his can direct movies and such, he has cornered himself into "mock-umentaries". They may LOOK like the truth, but have enough 'artistic license' and 'assumptions' and in the worst case 'fabrications' to have little more substance than his personal opinions.

His skill in directing and story telling make it look like fact. If even a 1/10 of his stories against Bush were true, he'd have charges or congressional investigations against Bush. This hasn't happened, because the allegations are either false, misleading, or not a matter of law.

I am glad to see people watch the movie and get 'fired up' over it, the more intelligent or dilligent or even curious; will look into the stories, will read more news, will learn more of what is going on, and will form their OWN opinions... not just be lemmings following along whatever band wagon they get sucked into.

Back to Moore... It is easy to blame leadership, when you possess none of your own. It is even easier to do when by doing so you make a fortune. What would he do in the same place? He should show a better way if he has one.

On politics in general, and the middle east in particular. In for a penny, in for a pound. Now that the world in in the position that it is now, it only makes sense to carry on. If we are to blame America for 'Nation building" or whatever, at least we can say that at some point these countries will go their own way. Germany was let loose from the imperial control of Nato and the US after WWII and they are a leader of Europe now... and have no problem standing against the US or others as they see fit. A similar story for Japan... a bankrupt economy in the 30s and 40s and now they have a HUGE economy and is a leader in international business. The US also had a hand in the fall of the Soviet Union... and the Eastern Block countries are looking to a better future than what the USSR had for them in the 60s and 70s.

There may be concern over the passing of an older or more established way of life, but nothing lasts forever. One day the middle east will grow out of the pain and fear they are experiencing now and will celebrate their newest nationalism. There will always be malcontents (see the IRA and neo-nazis, and some christian fundalimentalists) but the future of the middle east will be better than the past, even if it takes 50 or 60 years... at least we can all hope so.

America may not have the perfect nation, and there may be concerns and internal conflicts, but I think the US has made more positives than negatives... at least are trying to.

[Phyridean]

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On politics in general, and the middle east in particular. In for a penny, in for a pound. Now that the world in in the position that it is now, it only makes sense to carry on. If we are to blame America for 'Nation building" or whatever, at least we can say that at some point these countries will go their own way. Germany was let loose from the imperial control of Nato and the US after WWII and they are a leader of Europe now... and have no problem standing against the US or others as they see fit. A similar story for Japan... a bankrupt economy in the 30s and 40s and now they have a HUGE economy and is a leader in international business. The US also had a hand in the fall of the Soviet Union... and the Eastern Block countries are looking to a better future than what the USSR had for them in the 60s and 70s.

Of course, this is to say nothing of the regimes we've toppled, only to replace them with worse cases of civil rights violations (Cuba, Sudan, etc, etc). How do we know that Iraq will be different? We don't.

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There may be concern over the passing of an older or more established way of life, but nothing lasts forever. One day the middle east will grow out of the pain and fear they are experiencing now and will celebrate their newest nationalism. There will always be malcontents (see the IRA and neo-nazis, and some christian fundalimentalists) but the future of the middle east will be better than the past, even if it takes 50 or 60 years... at least we can all hope so.

Frankly, and call me a pessimist if you want (which I very well may be), the "situation" in the middle east, which has existed quite literally from the metaphorical (though historically insignificant, as it happened elswhere prior to that) birth of civilization, will never be resolved. Neither side will ever believe what the other has to say, much like our extremely polarized political system.

So there, two more cents from someone who knows far too little about politics to really be posting here...

EDIT: Um, that would be me...not referring to anyone else...

[Radimus]

I know what you mean, and in many cases you are right... The US has supported one regime or another either with money or weapons or training, throughought the past for many reasons... and many administrations.

At one time the Roman Catholic church's Pope turned a blind eye to Nazi germany in the 30's and 40's and to human slavery during the 1800's and so on.

Russia supported Cuba, until we proved enough of a hindrance to the Soviets that they abandoned Castro and took back their missiles

Take Osama for instance, trained as a guerilla fighter by the CIA and provided weapons and money... why? He was fighting Russia then and that was the important thing at the time.

The US supported Saddam as he was a military/secular leader at the time and would oppose the religeous administrations in Syria and Iran.

Now the US has turned against Saddam and toppled that government that they helped to bring about and hopes to build a more democratic government. for many reasons. to relieve fanatical islamic extremists of a source of money, to hope that a free government would pose a positive influence in Iraq, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia

Needless to say all these policies change from administration to administration, Some try bribery, some resort to supporting insurgency/radicallism in a country, and recently it was militarily. The US has the luxury of making these rules... we have the money and military to make the rules as we go. At least for a while, as China is about the only remaining nation on the planet with the possibility of becoming a superpower to replace the Soviets

Hopefully the results of such meddling doesn't cause too many deaths (it always has and always will) and that the future purchased is worth the cost. Germany is a better place now than it was 50 years ago... and the differences between east and west germany 20 years ago was unbelievable... the Europe side vs the Soviet side. If in 50 years such a difference is apparent between Iraq and Iran, no one would question the justification of what the US did.

As a side note, just for thought. The whole middle east economy is basically tied to the export of oil. With the efforts into alternative fuels(hydrogen and ethanol) and more efficient combustion engines (hybrids) and new sources of oil, what would happen to their economy if there was a 20 or 25% reduction in their exports over the next 20 or 30 years. (even though plastics manufacturing is the #1 use of raw petroleum). Answer, International business insourcing. Everyone knows (and hates) that Dell and HP moved their helpdesks to India.. It will be hard to provide services to other nations if you have Jihads with your biggest prospective business customers

So to sum this all up:
Islamic extremism needs to be dealt with
Catholic priests need to stop molesting young boys
The IRA needs to ensure that Sinead o'Connor doesn't make another album
Toyota needs to get on the ball and make a Prius about $5,000 cheaper
and Michael Moore needs to go on a diet.