[takuma2004]

It seems that there are lots of problems with Microsoft Windows XP SP2. As you can see there are some topics about certain things. I have inlcuded some of the problems that are in Microsoft Windows XP SP2 but there are several more problems that occuring.

Flaws in Windows XP SP2 security features

Microsoft's update troubles deepen further

Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP SP2

I think they should release Microsoft Windows XP SP2 Final again which will have all the problem/fixes solved.

Do you guys think that there will be another release of Microsoft Windows XP SP2 soon because of these security issues and problems?

[gabriel_buc]

I don't think so.
M$ will probably throw away some patches and that's all.

Releasing another SP2 Final would be unacceptable for them. They are already put on the wall by IT specialists.

I predicted that this will happen.

Read an old post of mine

Boards are full of SP2 generated errors, software incompatibilities, problems caused by SP2.

That's Microsoft and their lovely Windows.

[prathapml]

The residual incompatibilities and flaws are most probably those that MS did not or could not do anything about.

The need to prevent a re-release was what was served, right when MS had programs of betas and RCs for testing by the public in the real world conditions.

[azPNG]

Question about the list:

What behaviours have people noticed about programs on that list? I mean I use some of those programs (Nero, Quicken, etc) and I dont want them "behaving" differently. I dont think its worth all the s*** that you get for upgrading to SP2.

[argon007]

takuma2004, on Aug 18 2004, 05:56 AM, said:

It seems that there are lots of problems with Microsoft Windows XP SP2. As you can there are some topics about certain things. I have inlcuded some of the problems that are in Microsoft Windows XP SP2 but there are several more problems that occuring.

Flaws in Windows XP SP2 security features

Microsoft's update troubles deepen further

Programs that may behave differently in Windows XP SP2

I think they should release Microsoft Windows XP SP2 Final again which will have all the problem/fixes solved.

Do you guys think that there will be another release of Microsoft Windows XP SP2 soon because of these security issues and problems?

Releasing another Windows XP SP2 is impossible or Microsoft will be rude to the customer. so I think they will release the patch.

[jroc]

Its also true...that alot of people don't have the issues...some do...I think alot of problems are a results of:

Poor Computer Management
Inexperience
Laziness
To quick to install a program because it looks pretty and is free

I know some with the mentality that one can just get in a car and drive it for life..not knowing that you do have to change oil and replace tires every now and then...."READ THE OWNERS MANUAL" is usually a good start.

No one says you have to install SP2...or for that Matter use any Microsoft Product...more people should take the time to learn and listen...instead of Whine and if you think you are living in a Perfect World..then someone needs to make you an appointment with a psychologist.

[Vann]

That was quite the apology for Microsoft, there, jroc. The fact of the matter is, there are problems with SP2 that should have been dealt with before final. Heck, Microsoft has already released a ;884020]hotfix for SP2 not a week after it was marked "final."

To continue your fallacious car analogy, if a manufacturer released a car that required a tuneup only a week after purchase they wouldn't say say, "well, we didn't make you buy the car." They would recall the car.

[Marsden]

It is not the job of MS to make sure every 3rd party application works under SP2. That is the job of those affected 3rd party companies. They all knew SP2 was coming. It was their job to test their code against SP2. That is not the job of MS...

MS is ONLY responsible for their own code! Patches have already been issued for issues with SBS 2003 and the MSBSA 1.2.

People have issues with SP2 mainly because their systems are tweaked 6 ways to Sunday or they have hidden issues they are unaware of and they think applying SP2 should work regardless if their system is screwed up or not.

I have applied SP2 across 250+ machines and not a single issue... but then we are not a bunch of "home" users with systems tweaked into uselessness... are systems work just fine without all the "user" tweaks...

[turbomcp]

do you know a car manufacturer that sells cars like microsoft sells windows?
this is the most used operating system in the world for home/office use(desktop)
so most chances you will see the bugs faster then you see a bug in mitsubishi:)

[Marsden]

Yes we will see "bugs" because most people out there have no idea what they are doing...

[Vann]

I'm not sure what you mean by "responsible for their own code," but MS is definitely responsible for issues in the OS whereby third-party applications can cause breakage. That is, unless we're to believe security is tantamount to hiding one's head in the sand.

And, I'd like to point out, the bug referenced above has nothing to do with clueless users. However, if mocking end-users helps you rationalize whatever issues you might have when discussing this topic seriously then by all means go ahead.

[Marsden]

Please explain how exactly MS is esponsible for the code of lets say Norton or MacAfee...

So MS is responsible for ALL the code that runs on XP? MS has for years allowed 3rd party companies to test their code against all MS OSes to gain Certification. MS will not give certs to crappy code. That is not their job nor their responsibility.

If I'm a code developer who works at Norton, then it is my companies responsibility to make sure "our" code works with whatever MS throws out there... MS has worked on SP2 for some time... it's not like they just threw the SP2 code out there and will stand around while the dust settles... Norton knew there would be changes... it is their responsibility to make sure their code works...

[jroc]

turbomcp, on Aug 18 2004, 03:55 PM, said:

do you know a car manufacturer that sells cars like microsoft sells windows?
this is the most used operating system in the world for home/office use(desktop)
so most chances you will see the bugs faster then you see a bug in mitsubishi:)

Windows works fine..when you first install it...it all that crap you tend to add...and back to the car sample.....thats like adding the them fuzzy dice to the rear view mirror...because it looks cute..and then you total your car because of ignorance and couldnt see out of the front windshield...then have the gull to blame the car manufacturer.

Many software manufacturer...probably care less if there programs work with MS..they got your money...and expect you to blame MS.....

[prathapml]

Hey all of ya there.....
Nice discussion you have going here, but please don't start taking comments personally and make this topic into an argument.



And yes, an amazing thing was the release of a patch within a week: you can find it here (the formatting is such that this page isn't able to take up the link)

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http://support.micro...t.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];884020

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Microsoft Knowledge Base Article - 884020

Programs that connect to IP addresses that are in the loopback address range may not work as you expect in Windows XP Service Pack 2

So is it time now, to start a "Hotfixes for Windows XP SP2" thread yet?

[Vann]

Mardsen, that's not what I wrote at all. Read it again. What I did say was that MS is responsible when third-party applications break the OS.

If SP2 makes changes in the OS for the better then those changes should be made. I'm not sure why you're being so defensive.

[Marsden]

I'm not being defensive..

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What I did say was that MS is responsible when third-party applications break the OS

And I said that MS is not responsible when 3rd party applications break the OS. The responsibility falls on the company that wrote the code. MS is not responsible for Norton products nor is Norton responsible for MS operating systems...

[Vann]

So if I get infected by a virus because of an undiscovered vulnerability in, say, Winsock, Microsoft is not responsible and should just wait until the virus writers stop writing viruses?

No serious OS takes this attitude, not even Windows.

[Black-Wolf]

We can't really blame Microsoft for releasing a "crap" because there is no way for them to make sure that this Service Pack they release will be 100% compatible with everyone. There are way too many different kind of computers out there and none of them are the same.

At least they still do their job patching the holes when they find out the bugs and problems. Don't worry, if they make it, they will fix it.