[erpdude8]

IE6 SP1 for Win98/ME will still be supported by MS until june 30, 2006. no more
security patches for IE6 SP1 under Win98/ME will be made after that date.
IE6 SP1 for Win2k sp3-sp4/xp sp1 will be supported until MS abandons support
for Win2k sp3/sp4 and WinXP Sp1. Win2000 is supported 'til june 30, 2010.

Luckily I have Firefox 1.01 (just released yesterday), Mozilla 1.75 and Opera 8.0 beta 1
installed on my brother's xp machine and on my WinME machine. Mozilla 1.76 will
be out soon and so will the beta releases of Firefox 1.1 and Mozilla 1.8. Check the
Mozilla.org site on upcoming releases.

[Tihiy]

Actually i believe Windows 9x/Me and 2000 use same IE6 SP1 code. So after 2006 security patches for IE6 SP1 for 2000 will be compatible with w9x/me.

[erpdude8]

not really Tihiy. Windows 9x/Me and Windows 2000 do NOT use same IE6 SP1 code
with some IE6 SP1 files. look in the iew2k_1.cab, iew2k_2.cab and so on files and
look in the ie_s1.cab, ie_s2.cab and so on files. you'll see what I mean.

Why do Win98/ME users get "hanging" problems with IE6 Sp1 when deleting a very
large number of files in Windows Explorer?

And why do Win2000 users NOT get "hanging" problems with IE6 Sp1 when deleting
large number of files in Windows Explorer.

and besides, jasinwa, the IE 5.5 sp2 browseui.dll file version 5.50.4807.2300 has
PLENTY of security flaws. I don't use that one if I were you. I get browseui.dll file
from the 'other' KB867282 update (the IE 5.5 Sp2 kb867282 patch). The newer
browseui.dll file from IE 5.5 Sp2 kb867282 update is version 5.50.4948.700 and
fixes a lot of security bugs.

[Tihiy]

In setup files - maybe; but latest cumulative updates files for IE6 SP1 are fully compatible with 98 and 2000. Windows 9x is limited by nature, and memory leaks are fatal for it, but 2k not - that's the point for hanging.

[erpdude8]

The latest cumulative IE 6 SP1 updates have the same files for Win98, 2000, ME, NT4 & XP SP1
BUT the Win2k/XP SP1 version of the IE6 SP1 KB867282 update uses a vastly different
setup file (update.exe) to install IE6 SP1 files AND the update will no longer appear in
the IE6 SP1 'About' dialog box. The Win98/ME version of the IE6 SP1 KB867282 update uses
ieupdate.exe to install the files and does display the update in the IE6 SP1 dialog box.

See question 'Why are the command line installation switches different for Windows 2000 and Windows XP operating systems for this release when compared to MS04-025: Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer?' by expanding the 'Frequently asked questions (FAQ) related to this security update' section of security bulletin MS05-014:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...n/MS05-014.mspx
Also see the 'Security Update Information' section of that article and expand all details.

But least the updated files are exactly the same (meaning binarily identical) for IE6 SP1
for both versions of the updates.

Reading MS article 867282:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/867282
if you want the IE6 SP1 update to install the 'RTMQFE' version of the updated files
add this registry entry in Registry Editor:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\QFEInstalled
QFEInstalled should be a DWORD value and set it to 1. If QFEInstalled is set to 0 or
does not exist, the IE6 SP1 update will install the 'RTMGDR' version of the updated
files. If it is 1 or higher than the update will install the 'RTMQFE' version.

[erpdude8]

soldier1st, on Feb 1 2005, 02:07 PM, said:

i don't like that coolbeans taskmanager
i got a better one that looks like the win 2000/xp one
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

How 'bout tryin' Tihiy's Task Manager app mentioned here:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=41515

wonder if this will be included in W98se SP v2.0.

[superscotty19]

Hi,

This is my first time posting, so I want to make sure I say this first and say it good: This service pack project is THE BEST thing to happen to ANY M$ product EVER. I've been using it for client PC builds and it has helped build my company. Thanks to this pack, I can actually rollout "reliable" M$ systems.

Now that I've said that, I have noticed one thing that makes my users hesitant to stick with 98SE+SP vs. the XP beast. It simply boils down to aesthetics - "XP is prettier" is the common thread. My thinking is that since this is a +1 upgrade, it would be cool if one of the major features was an enhanced interface. In the world of funky shells, many programs are doing this - XP with its huge buttons, WindowBlinds (at a cost of course) to 98, and of course KDE with Linux.

I like the idea of the animated "98SE" splash screen at boot, but I would really like to see the entire shell improved. btw - The theme of Windows2000 is a great start.

Keep up the unbelievable work!
-Scott.

[krick]

superscotty19, on Mar 17 2005, 12:57 AM, said:

It simply boils down to aesthetics - "XP is prettier" is the common thread.

*steps up on soapbox*

Personally, I think the XP UI looks like a f**king clown car. Who thought that purple, orange, blue, red, and green was a good color scheme? Hell, while they were at it, they should have thrown in some fuschia. It sure couldn't make it uglier. And what's up with the ridiculously large window close, minimize, and maximize controls?

*steps down*

[Fredledingue]

Superscotty19

Give them a pre-build appearence sheme that looks nice (even no SP needed for that).

I made myself a sheme with peach windows, and gree-blue to dark-blue fade away in the title bar.
Then I installed Eppie and I added my nicely colored self-made control buttons.

It looks terrific. I even didn't install the 2000 themes from the SP.

You can also give the opposite effect by selecting "High Contrast White" or "High Contrast Black" sheme.

Check also Tihy's Revolution Pack. Sounds promising...

[Fredledingue]

Quote

Why do Win98/ME users get "hanging" problems with IE6 Sp1 when deleting a very
large number of files in Windows Explorer?

It's hanging only when you use M$ Explorer. For that reason, you must use an alternative file manager and the problem is solved. (I use Explorer2 Lite)

[azagahl]

This is my first time posting

Welcome, I hope you like it here! You will find a a lot of experts here (I'm not one ).

"XP is prettier"

Yes, 98 SE looks a bit retro for a virgin OS installation. But after USP2RC2 and 98SE2ME and a little sprucing up (themes, Webshots, etc..) my 98 SE looks gorgeous. XP always feels klunky, unresponsive, and akward, so it is kinda hard to enjoy how it looks.

And Tihiy's Revolutions makes 98 SE look absolutely fantastic, but I've had trouble with recent versions...

WindowBlinds (at a cost of course)

It costs money but there is also a cost of having painfully sluggish GUI performance

[superscotty19]

Hello again!

Thanks for that, azagahl ...

You don't have to convince me about the downsides of XP - I agree 110% and then some! I guess that's just my point though - if 98SE could have the responsiveness that it does (thanks to USP) but the option of being more skinnable, it will really have some punch.

I have no doubt that USP2RC2 will bring all sorts of new and exciting features, but from what I've seen, 982ME and Revolutions doesn't seem as stable as the USP - is this correct (no offense intended to the developers of these packs)? Also, are they both freeware? Aside from what I've read about them on this forum, I know nothing about them.

Thanks again!
-Scott.

[Acheron]

For 98SE2ME you need both Windows 98 and Windows ME licenses. I'm not going to buy that Windows ME crap

[MDGx]

superscotty19, on Mar 26 2005, 04:49 PM, said:

I have no doubt that USP2RC2 will bring all sorts of new and exciting features, but from what I've seen, 982ME and Revolutions doesn't seem as stable as the USP - is this correct (no offense intended to the developers of these packs)? Also, are they both freeware? Aside from what I've read about them on this forum, I know nothing about them.

Hi superscotty19, and welcome to this MSFN forum.

To answer your questions about 98SE2ME [which I develop + maintain]:
1. It is completely free solely for educational purposes, with only 1 condition: you must post any corrections/improvements you may come up with in this forum, so we can all can benefit from them.
2. It is very stable. Let's just say I use these > 600 WinME system files for > 4 years on my PC without problems.
And besides, you have the option to allow full backup creation of your Win98SE OS before installing any WinME files, and you can restore from there anytime.
On top of that, every option [except 1 + 2 which make full OS backup] backs up the file(s) it replaces.
3. Of course, same as XP, 2000, 2003 etc, all Win9x/ME OSes are copyrighted to MS which means that u must have the OS to which 98SE2ME applies already installed on your local HD from a legally obtained Setup CD [English only], and in order to install options 1, 2 + 3 you must also have a legal copy of WinME Setup CD [English only].
Of course you can copy/burn/borrow/whatever stuff on your computer from whatever sources, but piracy is NOT condoned by me nor by this forum.
Therefore same applies to [examples] and all similar upgrades/packs/SPs: 98SE SP 2.0 RC2, 98SE/ME Revolutions Pack, AutoPatcher XP, AutoPatcher 2000, XP Security Pack, Windows XP Post-SP2 Update Pack, XP Longhorn Transformation Pack, XPize Transformation Pack etc...
That's 1 of the main reasons they are all unofficial.

To learn everything about 98SE2ME, please see READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT

To learn about Tihiy's Revolutions Pack + Gape's SP 2.0 RC2, you need to contact their authors, @ the respective forums.
Gape:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=41684
Tihiy:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=39333

Hope this helps.

[MDGx]

Gape:
MS released yesterday Windows 2003 Server SP1 RTM.
You know what this means... HTML Help 1.41 is finally out of beta.
Hope you can add these files to the next SP 2.0 release.
They contain most current MS security patches.
Thanks.

Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME/NT4 HTML Help v1.41 HHSETUP.DLL, ITIRCL.DLL, ITSS.DLL + HH.EXE + HHCTRL.OCX Update build 5.2.3790.1830 from Windows 2003 SP1 Final (RTM/Gold) [681 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/HHUPD.EXE
How to install HTML Help 1.41 on Windows 98/98 SE/NT4:
Download + install HHUPD.EXE .
How to install HTML Help 1.41 on Windows ME:
1. You MUST disable System Restore: open Control Panel -> System -> Performance Tab -> File System -> Troubleshooting area -> check the "Disable System Restore" box -> click OK -> reboot.
2. Download + install CoolKill [797 KB, freeware]:
http://www.prowebsit...ds/coolkill.zip
3. Run COOLKILL.EXE -> right-click on the CoolKill icon in Taskbar Tray -> highlight STMGR.EXE -> left-click on it to terminate this process.
4. Download + install HHUPD.EXE (see above).
5. You may want to reenable System Restore: open Control Panel -> System -> Performance Tab -> File System -> Troubleshooting area -> uncheck the "Disable System Restore" box -> click OK -> reboot.

[Tihiy]

I've seen problems with 98SE2ME, especially on localized (Russian) 9x Windows. I'm not bashing it, but I think it should be more... customizable. For example, installing fonts and updated keyboard layouts can cause problems that i've seen.

[MDGx]

Tihiy, on Mar 31 2005, 11:20 AM, said:

I've seen problems with 98SE2ME, especially on localized (Russian) 9x Windows. I'm not bashing it, but I think it should be more... customizable. For example, installing fonts and updated keyboard layouts can cause problems that i've seen.

Your wish is my command...
Please try the 4-4-2005 98SE2ME edition:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=37302
Most of these issues should have been resolved.

PS: Please note that 98SE2ME was never meant to be installed on/used with any 98SE editions other than English because that's the only 1 I can test it on.

[os2fan2]

Is there room on this fixpack for the novoltrk.reg file?

This prevents Win9x from overwriting diskette labels from other vendors: see

Info: http://freedos.mauss...l-old/1497.html

File: http://www.ibiblio.o.../freedos/win9x/

download novoltrk.zip for the reg file.

W

[Gape]

os2fan2, on Apr 6 2005, 05:13 AM, said:

Is there room on this fixpack for the novoltrk.reg file?

This prevents Win9x from overwriting diskette labels from other vendors.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Interesting fix. I think I can add this fix into the next SP (2.0.1 or 2.1).

[superscotty19]

MDGx, on Mar 28 2005, 09:04 AM, said:

Hi superscotty19, and welcome to this MSFN forum.

Hi MDGx! And thanks for such an informative reply!

I completely understand 982ME now (thanks again). As for the rest of them, I know you gave me links to the other forums, but since you seem to be a one stop font of knowledge I was wondering if you know this off the top of your head ... I've noticed that Revolutions does utilize some files from ME, correct? I assume this would imply that the user requires a valid copy of ME ... ? I checked the Revolutions forum and found this:

Quote

Q: I was under the impression one did not need ME for 9X Revolutions....am I wrong? I thought one only needed 32bit color....

A: No. You don't need ME for using it. But it uses some ME files included. If you surely need only 32-bit icons support, you should manually extract from shellupdate.exe:
CODE
user32.dll
user9x.dll
dll.dll
comctl32.dll
user.exe
and place into \system dir.

This confuses me. You don't need ME, but it uses ME files??? Are the files listed the ones from ME, and if so, are they optional?

Quote

Therefore same applies to [examples] and all similar upgrades/packs/SPs: 98SE SP 2.0 RC2, 98SE/ME Revolutions Pack, AutoPatcher XP, AutoPatcher 2000, XP Security Pack, Windows XP Post-SP2 Update Pack, XP Longhorn Transformation Pack, XPize Transformation Pack etc...

Whoa whoa whoa!!! I've never even heard of half of those patches/programs! Do you have links to the ones that apply to 98SE (excluding 98SE SP, Revolutions of course) and that don't require a valid copy of another OS?

Thanks again for all your help. For what it's worth, I own a technology consulting firm, and I'm trying to utilize all the tools you guys make as much as possible when I build systems for my clients. Your work is oustanding and deserves to be given some push!

-Scott.