[MDGx]

superscotty19, on Apr 11 2005, 11:12 PM, said:

Hi MDGx! And thanks for such an informative reply!

I completely understand 982ME now (thanks again). As for the rest of them, I know you gave me links to the other forums, but since you seem to be a one stop font of knowledge I was wondering if you know this off the top of your head ... I've noticed that Revolutions does utilize some files from ME, correct? I assume this would imply that the user requires a valid copy of ME ... ? I checked the Revolutions forum and found this:

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Q: I was under the impression one did not need ME for 9X Revolutions....am I wrong? I thought one only needed 32bit color....

A: No. You don't need ME for using it. But it uses some ME files included. If you surely need only 32-bit icons support, you should manually extract from shellupdate.exe:
CODE
user32.dll
user9x.dll
dll.dll
comctl32.dll
user.exe
and place into \system dir.

This confuses me. You don't need ME, but it uses ME files??? Are the files listed the ones from ME, and if so, are they optional?

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Therefore same applies to [examples]and all similar upgrades/packs/SPs: 98SE SP 2.0 RC2, 98SE/ME Revolutions Pack, AutoPatcher XP, AutoPatcher 2000, XP Security Pack, Windows XP Post-SP2 Update Pack, XP Longhorn Transformation Pack, XPize Transformation Pack etc...

Whoa whoa whoa!!! I've never even heard of half of those patches/programs! Do you have links to the ones that apply to 98SE (excluding 98SE SP, Revolutions of course) and that don't require a valid copy of another OS?

Thanks again for all your help. For what it's worth, I own a technology consulting firm, and I'm trying to utilize all the tools you guys make as much as possible when I build systems for my clients. Your work is oustanding and deserves to be given some push!

-Scott.

1. You're very welcome, and thanks for your kind appreciation.

2. Best to ask Tihiy details about Revolutions, that's his "baby":
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=39333
As far as I know, it uses ME files [modded by Tihiy of course], but u don't need to install any WinME files from the setup CD. This also means u can use Tihiy's files on either 98SE or ME.

3. Those other unofficial service packs/patches/security upgrades/etc I've mentioned are for XP + 2000, not for 9x/ME.
U can find them all linked under "Free Updates + Patches" @ my main web page:
http://www.mdgx.com/

Hope this helps.

[Tihiy]

Hi, superscotty19

If something about RP confuzes you, ask me.
The newer versions of RP (since 2.1) are separated into few parts,
- Basic (32-bit icon support)
- Shell Update (yes, it actually uses some Windows ME files)
- Toolbar Patch (32-bit icons for toolbars)
so you don't need to extract anything.

[cdillon]

Has silent-install support been added to 2.0 yet? It would be very nice to have, especially for anybody (like me) who would like to deploy this on a large network with a lot of Win98SE computers. The ability to enable/disable the optional installation features while doing the silent install would be nice too. Actually, it doesn't have to be "silent", just "unattended".

[Tihiy]

Yes, clicking on a lot of "No" buttons is annoying.

[azagahl]

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[Tihiy]

azagahl, on Apr 14 2005, 03:41 PM, said:

Besides the MS-DOS icon in the start menu being black and white, I also noticed some other icons are black and white too. For example, if I go to Start, Run, and type "asdfasdf" it will display an error box but the X symbol will be black and white.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

azagahl, wrong topic
I'm aware of that problem, it'll be fixed in next version, i've already told.

[Petr]

MDGx, on Mar 31 2005, 05:02 PM, said:

Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME/NT4 HTML Help v1.41 HHSETUP.DLL, ITIRCL.DLL, ITSS.DLL + HH.EXE + HHCTRL.OCX Update build 5.2.3790.1830 from Windows 2003 SP1 Final (RTM/Gold) [681 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/HHUPD.EXE

Hello MDGx,

hhctrlui.dll (English version) is version 5.2.3644.0 in your HHUPD.EXE, while in Windows 2003 SP1 Final it is also 5.2.3790.1830 as other files - is it intentional?

And why are FIND.COM and WinME start.com included? I've found no reference in the INI file.

Petr

[MDGx]

Petr, on Apr 15 2005, 03:37 PM, said:

MDGx, on Mar 31 2005, 05:02 PM, said:

Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME/NT4 HTML Help v1.41 HHSETUP.DLL, ITIRCL.DLL, ITSS.DLL + HH.EXE + HHCTRL.OCX Update build 5.2.3790.1830 from Windows 2003 SP1 Final (RTM/Gold) [681 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/HHUPD.EXE

Hello MDGx,

hhctrlui.dll (English version) is version 5.2.3644.0 in your HHUPD.EXE, while in Windows 2003 SP1 Final it is also 5.2.3790.1830 as other files - is it intentional?

And why are FIND.COM and WinME start.com included? I've found no reference in the INI file.

Petr

1. HHCTRLUI.DLL is part of the huge MUI.CAB archive which installs as a component of HHUPD.EXE, and which contains [you can open it in PowerArchiver, WinZip 9 + similar tools; works also if u right-click on it in Windows Explorer if CABVIEW.DLL is still installed as default CAB viewer/extractor] all Multilanguage User Interface [MUI] files that HTML Help supports. All those files go under %windir%\SYSTEM\MUI\language_code_# .
U can see them from Windows Explorer or File Manager [WINFILE.EXE].
I don't have updates to all these files, the only 1 that is newer is the U.S. English one [the 1 u mention probably], included in Win2003 SP1.
And besides, HHCTRLUI.DLL hasn't been updated by MS as a hotfix or security patch since Q811360:
http://support.micro....com/?id=811630
HHCTRLUI.DLL from patch Q811630 is older than the 1 from MUI.CAB included in HHUPD.EXE.

2. I've included FIND.COM [free GPL from http://www.coli.uni-...ric/stuff/soft/ = replaces MS Win98SE FIND.EXE] + START.EXE [from WinME setup CD] because I'm using them in HH.BAT, which is the batch file installer from within HHUPD.EXE.
These are HH.BAT lines [notice FIND and START]:

@ECHO OFF
VER | FIND/I "Windows">NUL
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO N0
VER | FIND/I "Windows 95">NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO N0
IF "%OS%"=="Windows_NT" GOTO NT
IF EXIST %windir%\INF\*.INF DIR/-P %windir%\INF\*.INF>NUL
START/W RUNDLL32 ADVPACK.DLL,LaunchINFSection HH.INF,DefaultInstall
GOTO N0
:NT
IF EXIST %windir%\INF\*.INF DIR/-P %windir%\INF\*.INF>NUL
START/W RUNDLL32 ADVPACK.DLL,LaunchINFSection HH.INF,NTx
:N0
CLS
EXIT

I'm also using ADVPACK.DLL, W95INF16.DLL, W95INF32.DLL, EXTRAC32.EXE + REGSVR32.EXE in HH.BAT [they all must exist for proper operation], and I've included them all because I don't want to depend on these files being present [or not! ] on everybody's systems.
Example: somebody in this forum once told me erased completely his C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND folder, and I was scratching my head to figure out why VER | FIND/I "whatever" detection was not working on his PC, thus making the entire 98SE2ME detection code useless.
Therefore now I'm adding all needed files into all my installers, to avoid any such weird "surprises" in the future.

U have mentioned an INI file: HHUPD.EXE doesn't contain any. Maybe u meant the INF file?
If u meant the INF file [HH.INF], that's a MS advanced INF installer file, per se can't use DOS based tools such as FIND + START, unless one adds dedicated sections for pre-install, post-install, run, runex etc commands.

Hope this helps.

[superscotty19]

Tihiy, on Apr 12 2005, 04:12 PM, said:

Hi, superscotty19

If something about RP confuzes you, ask me.
The newer versions of RP (since 2.1) are separated into few parts,
- Basic (32-bit icon support)
- Shell Update (yes, it actually uses some Windows ME files)
- Toolbar Patch (32-bit icons for toolbars)
so you don't need to extract anything.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

MDGx - Thanks (yet again!) for the help!

Tihiy - I appreciate your willingness to help! Now, I downloaded the software and see what you mean about breaking the whole package into 3 separate install files (good idea!). That said, do I require a valid copy of ME in order to install the Shell Update package? I want to remain as legal as possible with my 98SE install, while still doing cool stuff to it of course

-Scott.

[Tihiy]

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Tihiy - I appreciate your willingness to help! Now, I downloaded the software and see what you mean about breaking the whole package into 3 separate install files (good idea!). That said, do I require a valid copy of ME in order to install the Shell Update package? I want to remain as legal as possible with my 98SE install, while still doing cool stuff to it of course

"as legal as possible" hm... Shell Update contains files which aren't available separately, only from ME. So you need valid Win ME.

[Petr]

MDGx, on Apr 17 2005, 01:56 AM, said:

U have mentioned an INI file: HHUPD.EXE doesn't contain any. Maybe u meant the INF file?
If u meant the INF file [HH.INF], that's a MS advanced INF installer file, per se can't use DOS based tools such as FIND + START, unless one adds dedicated sections for pre-install, post-install, run, runex etc commands.

Thank you for your detail explanation, and yes, it was typo, I meant INF, not INI file, annd I haven't noticed the BAT file.

Petr

[MDGx]

Gape:
I was notified by Folkert that there is a newer MSIEFTP.DLL [build 5.50.4807.2300] available as part of IE 5.5 SP2 [84 MB, English]:
http://downloads.planetmirror.com/pub/brow...SP2/ie55sp2.exe
MSIEFTP.DLL is contained inside IE_EXTRA.CAB .
The problem is that original 98SE file from setup CD [build 5.00.2614.3500] is buggy, one cannot have FTP folders view properly turned on [IE -> Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced tab -> "Enable folder view for FTP sites" check box], unless MSIEFTP.DLL is newer.
BTW: WinME build is 5.50.4134.100 = older, also works ok.
IE 5.5, 5.5 SP1, 6.0 + 6.0 SP1 install build 5.50.4522.1800 = older, also works ok.
Only IE 5.5 SP2 [for some obscure reason, on some systems only ?!] installs the newest build 5.50.4807.2300 .
All MSIEFTP.DLL builds [from 98SE CD and up to the newest one] work with 98SE and ME without errors, except the original one from the 98SE CD I mentioned above [tested by me on 4 PCs and by Folkert on 1 PC], independent of which IE build is installed.

Folkert and I would like to suggest that you include MSIEFTP.DLL 5.50.4807.2300 from IE 5.5 SP2 into the next SP 2.0 [RCx] release.

[MDGx]

Petr, on Apr 18 2005, 03:52 AM, said:

MDGx, on Apr 17 2005, 01:56 AM, said:

U have mentioned an INI file: HHUPD.EXE doesn't contain any. Maybe u meant the INF file?
If u meant the INF file [HH.INF], that's a MS advanced INF installer file, per se can't use DOS based tools such as FIND + START, unless one adds dedicated sections for pre-install, post-install, run, runex etc commands.

Thank you for your detail explanation, and yes, it was typo, I meant INF, not INI file, annd I haven't noticed the BAT file.

Petr

HHUPD.EXE is build with PowerArchiver [ http://www.powerarchiver.com/ ], using the self-extracting CAB format [LZMA algorithm for highest available compression ratio]. You can open it with any "unzipper" [ http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#ZIP ] that supports the CAB format.

Hope this helps.

[Gape]

MDGx, on Apr 22 2005, 10:10 AM, said:

The problem is that original 98SE file from setup CD [build 5.00.2614.3500] is buggy, one cannot have FTP folders view properly turned on [IE -> Tools -> Internet Options -> Advanced tab -> "Enable folder view for FTP sites" check box], unless MSIEFTP.DLL is newer.

Folkert and I would like to suggest that you include MSIEFTP.DLL 5.50.4807.2300 from IE 5.5 SP2 into the next SP 2.0 [RCx] release.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

When I have updated MSIEFTP.DLL on a freshly installed Win98 SE, I couldn't find "Enable folder view for FTP sites", but there is a option titled "Use Web Based FTP". However, this option didn't activate folder view for FTP sites.

[MDGx]

Gape, on Apr 22 2005, 09:14 AM, said:

When I have updated MSIEFTP.DLL on a freshly installed Win98 SE, I couldn't find "Enable folder view for FTP sites", but there is a option titled "Use Web Based FTP". However, this option didn't activate folder view for FTP sites.

Bummer.
I guess there's no point in adding it, then.
Thanks for trying, anyway.

[soldier1st]

soon it will be released.

[AmyGrrl]

I don't know if this has been added or not.. I didn't see it in the list. I would like to see something added to allow Win98SE to view/read/write to NTFS Partitions... If you add this then I plan to setup a dual boot.. with Win9x/Win2k... want Win9x to run older games... I think the reading of NTFS File System would be valuable to everyone.

[KaiHansen]

Maraba, komshu

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2.0 RC2:
...
- REMOVED: General USB Mass Storage Device Drivers.

Why? Were there any bugs???
USB mass storage device suport is very usefull in 98.
Is it possible not to uninstall them when uninstalling RC1 and then install RC3?
Or to put them in the next version?

[soldier1st]

maybe they will be added back in the final 2.0 release.

[Petr]

Just an idea - what about to add the right link to the registry so that the Windows Update menu item in Internet Explorer will really point to Windows Update site, i.e. http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ ?

I failed to find the right place just now, probably there are some redirects.

BTW, does anybody know any tool that logs http transactions? It would good to see what requests are sent by the Internet Explorer.

Maybe it will be different for original IE 5.0 and newer 5.5 and 6.0sp1.

Petr