[soldier1st]

but where can i get msdos 8.0
as far as i know msdos 8 is part of dreaded windows me

[Tarun]

I'm scanning www.microsoft.com for a download.

[MDGx]

About the fixed REGEDIT.EXE for *all* Windows 95/OSR1/OSR2/98/98 SP1/98 SE(U) builds [NOT for WinME!]:
This bug and its fix are explained here:
http://www.users.dir...e/regsmall.html
Instructions are not very clear, but the author implies that all regedit.exe versions are buggy, and reconstitution of registry in native/pure MS-DOS may break the registry DAT files if it contains *any* MS Office and/or Outlook keys.
As I recall from the modified regedit author's website:
http://www.users.dir...e/regsmall.html
as quoted from his smallreg.rtf [part of smalreg4.zip]:
http://www.users.dir...eg/Smalreg4.zip

"There is an additional undocumented regedit.exe bug that exists in both the Win95 and OSR2 versions of regedit.exe (as well as all versions of Win98 beta that have been released as of the writing of this procedure). This bug is the inability of regedit.exe to import keys that contain embedded control codes. Although, embedded control codes are very common in modem initialization strings, this bug may have gone unnoticed because many of these registry entries are automatically re-created (with the embedded control codes) the first time they are needed thus no functionality is lost or impaired. However, your registry may also have embedded control codes (such as LF or CR characters) in other registry keys that are not automatically re-created, such as the key used to hold your signature for MS Internet Mail and News or Outlook Express. If such keys are used in your system, after completing this procedure you will have to re-enter the missing data using the program that created the data originally, or you can download FIXREG written by Ben Jos Walbeehm, which is available at http://home.tampabay...ehm/mrcode.html [not available anymore!].
This program will fix the missing embedded control code keys. The text file included in Ben Jos's fixreg.zip download package gives a more comprehensive description of this problem and the fix."

the buggy regedit [unmodified] cannot properly import certain reg keys that are terminated by CR or LF markers.
Although both authors (Smallreg's and Fixreg's) agree on the same problem, they have a contradictory opinion about Win98's regedit fixing (or not) this bug.
IMHO I recommend to *all* Win95/98 users to get the fixed regedit to avoid any problems.
There used to be more info at http://www.walbeehm.com/ [http://home.tampabay.rr.com/walbeehm/], but Ben Jos's site is gone.
I have Ben Jos's FixReg files [54 KB] for further reading:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/FIXREG.ZIP

[shaddam]

another suggestion....

a fast and free mp3 extension.... really good should pehaps included

http://www.mutschler.de/mp3ext/

[erpdude8]

Sorry to disappoint you soldier1st & Tarun but MS-DOS 8.0 is not
available as a standalone download. Attempting to use the
MSDOS 8 files from WinME under a Win98 or Win98se system can
actually make things worse. Mentioned at Axcel216's Windows 98/98 SE
©Tricks + Secrets - Part 5 page:

http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm

In the 'KILLER REPLACEMENTS: ME -> 98 SE' section he mentions NOT
to replace the COMMAND.COM & IO.SYS files. And I haven't experienced
any problems whatsoever with the vmm32.vxd file under my old PC
using Win98se. If there are problems with the vmm32.vxd file in Win98
it's usually a corrupted or damaged vmm32.vxd file in which can only
be fixed by re-installing Win98.

Tarun says it's better to have an empty or non-existent vmm32? I don't
agree with that. Read the posts by HSI and Gape here about vmm32:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=32526&st=0

[Tarun]

erpdude8, on Nov 24 2004, 05:17 PM, said:

Tarun says it's better to have an empty or non-existent vmm32? I don't agree with that.  Read the posts by HSI and Gape here about vmm32:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=32526&st=0

Could you direct me to where I said that? As I do not recall saying that, unless it was from an old post dating back to much earlier this year.

[azagahl]

"a fast and free mp3 extension.... really good should pehaps included"

Watch out, it has a GNU public license. This can cause big headaches and is definitely not "free".

For example, it means I have the right to make a modified version of them mp3 extension, and Gape must provide me with some SP source so I can distribute my own SP with the modified mp3 extension. Otherwise Gape is violating my rights.

But if you do include it please make it optional, its nonstandard and e.g. some of like oggs not mp3 files.

[Gape]

azagahl, on Nov 25 2004, 12:26 AM, said:

Watch out, it has a GNU public license. This can cause big headaches and is definitely not "free".

For example, it means I have the right to make a modified version of them mp3 extension, and Gape must provide me with some SP source so I can distribute my own SP with the modified mp3 extension. Otherwise Gape is violating my rights.

But if you do include it please make it optional, its nonstandard and e.g. some of like oggs not mp3 files.

It is a good tool, but as I said, generally I don't like to add any 3rd party tool into the SP. If I add a 3rd party tool, it must be useful for most of users. So, this tool is not suitable for the SP.

[soldier1st]

i agree gape
not every1 is into stuff like that
if most were that be a diff story
like for example tweakui,that is very useful for most users if not all users

[erpdude8]

Never mind Tarun. I may have misunderstood your point. Bottom line is
MSDOS 8 was written specifically for Windows ME and attempting to use
the MSDOS 8 files under a non-WinME system like Win98 can cause more
problems. MS-DOS included in all versions of Win98 is 7.1 and runs well.
Like I said before, I never had any problems with the vmm32.vxd file
and if that file goes bad just re-install Windows.

[soldier1st]

so that vmm32.dll that tarun said earlier appears to give problems

[diesel_98a]

i would vote to keep the new icons.


but check this out: SWITCH WINDOW (ver 1.0.1)
maybe can find something like it to add, it sure is nice in winXP. just thought on something to add.

[erpdude8]

NO, soldier1st. Only time if the vmm32.vxd file causes problems is if it
is corrupted by a computer virus, PC crash or a hard drive malfunction
or when trying to fix the HD problems & the vmm32.vxd file with Scandisk
in DOS mode when Windows is not running.

[soldier1st]

then explain why when my comp was workin fine with no problems and i put this file where it's sposed to and the next reboot it wants msdos 8.0 n thats windows me before it will start means a format of 98
comp is fairly new only 1-3 months old

[soldier1st]

erpdude8 i guess you can't explain it
remember tarun was talking about Internet Explorer Not About Non Internet Explorer Stuff so next time keep on the subject plz

[erpdude8]

What file did you put, soldier1st? You're NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!
It can break your system. You may as well reformat the HD and start
over from scratch. What version of Windows are you actually using?
Just forget about DOS 8 as it is a part of WinME and can never be used
under Win95 or Win98.

[soldier1st]

tarun posted a vmm32 file that i dled n put it where it was sposed to figuring it would help make windows 98 se faster,i run windows 98 se,windows xp+sp1&SP2,Windows 2000+SP3 then after i installed it it wanted msdos 8 then i reformatted so i deleted that file i dled

[soldier1st]

maybe add some tweaks from this site:http://myweb.accessus.net/~090/winmetip.html
i know it says for windows me but some of these can be used on windows 98 se
i applied some and they make windows 98 boot faster by not loading some stuff assuming you don't use them the drivespace &compression utilities

[azagahl]

Hey, since there is all this talk of vmm32.vxd I should mention I built one last night using the wininit.ini to combine the vxd's. On bootup it said something like "vmm32.tmp integrity check failed, restoring" and then started Windows normally. I renamed vmm32.tmp to vmm32.vxd and deleted all of the vxd's that were combined from the system32 directory, and on rebooting it worked fine without complaint despite the initial "integrity check failed" whining.

I tried the new vmm32.vxd compressed as well as non-compressed (2+ MB). I never noticed any difference in bootup speed or resource usage, but I didn't measure it either. I have backups if you guys can recommend a method for measuring these things so I can try all methods (original + seperate vxds, combined compressed and combined uncompressed).

I was using vxdlib.exe (vxdlib.zip from Axcel216's site) and it seems like a nice tool. It should be very easy to write a program that uses vxdlib.exe to build vmm32.vxd, so you do not have to depend on wininit.ini.

[Gape]

azagahl, on Dec 2 2004, 09:07 PM, said:

I tried the new vmm32.vxd compressed as well as non-compressed (2+ MB). I never noticed any difference in bootup speed or resource usage, but I didn't measure it either. I have backups if you guys can recommend a method for measuring these things so I can try all methods (original + seperate vxds, combined compressed and combined uncompressed).

azagahl,

Could you test your system with compressed and non-compressed VMM32.VXDs? You can use a simple benchmark program such as PCPlayer 3D Benchmark or WinTune98.

For testing bootup speed, you can use a chronograph