[clavicle]

I am a passive smoker. Many others who don't care about non-smokers help people like me to become smokers (passive).
Really need some fresh o2.

[Jeremy]

Drakhan, on Mar 13 2005, 04:19 AM, said:

Im not a smoker but I plan to start next year.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't be a moron.

[amp_man]

I am a smoker. I have been for about 2 years now, and I hate it. But it's an endless cycle...every time I try to quit, someone gets on my a** about how "stupid I was to ever start" or about what it can do to you, or how second hand smoke could kill them...well, for god's sake, I'm not a dumbass, I know this. Walking by me smoking a cigarette is not going to kill you, if you don't like it, hold you breath for a second or two, but say enough of this crap to me, you just might wish it had. I am SO sick and tired of every non-smoker deciding to make it their personal vendetta to inform me of the dangers of smoking. I KNOW THESE THINGS!!!! For god's sake, even my pack of cigarettes today included a stop smoking pamphlet!!! If you want me to quit, shut the f*** up already, and keep your comments to yourself, you can't say a **** thing I don't already know. I smoke to escape from the stress of everyday life...you aren't helping.

Furthermore, for that arrogant prick who stated that the guy smoking 4 cars up was bugging him, you have obviously never driven a car before in your life. The smoke from a cigarette does not come out the window and just stay there, the motion of the air around the car dissipates it, the person in the car behind the smoker might get the slightest whif of it (assuming absolutely no wind whatsoever), but certainly not someone 4 cars back.

Also, about the litter. I cannot count the number of times I have seen someone chuck a drink cup or fast food bag out the window, or how often I've seen the remains of a blown truck tire scattered all over the road. And you might argue that there are 50 times more cigarrette butts out there than all of these combined...but where are they?? I see ugly mangled black rubber, I see four year old soda cans, and brown paper bags so moulded into the road that only the rain will eventually get rid of them...but I have never EVER noticed a single cigarrette butt on the highway.

As for the whole 20-feet from buildings thing, I feel your pain, that's the rule at my college. It drives me nuts, because people will come out if you're only standing 10 feet from the entrance and tell you so. I mean, this is ridiculous, most of the time it's about 10 degrees, and the side of the building only stretches for around 10 feet, so you freeze your a** off. Not to mention that on a few of the buildings, 20 feet would put you dad-smack in the middle of either the sidewalk or the road, I would think being a little closer to the building would be preferred. And come on, how little of that smoke is actually going to make it into the building from 10 feet away? I'll bet more comes in on my clothing then would from my cigarette.

And the health risk. There's a health risk every time you walk out the door. Hell, I've known just as many people who've died in car crashes as who've died from lung cancer...but the ones who died in accidents were a heck of a lot younger, and much more dearly missed, because noone ever would have suspected it was coming. Unless you live in a hut with no contact with the outside world, you know there's a danger to smoking. If you choose to accept that danger, then so be it. But for god's sake, please shut up about it, I long for a day when I don't hear about it at least twice.

And just to clarify, I'm not trying to defend smoking itself, I'm defending my right to smoke. I have made my decision that smoking is not something I wish to do for the rest of my life (and my girlfriend really doesn't care for it either), but if I did, I believe that I should have the right to do so peacefully, without every prick on the **** planet nitpicking because his coat now stinks from walking by five feet from me. YOU PEOPLE PlSS ME OFF!!! (in case you hadn't figured that out by now)

@Drakhan: as others have said, don't be a dumbass...not starting is the easiest way to quit. Why do you want to, you have friends that do it? Trust me, when they're all bitching about how hard it is to quit (and they will be, something tells me you're underage and that's why you're not doing it yet) you'll be able to laugh in their faces. And besides, do you really want to listen to every arrogant as***** tell you the same dozen reasons why you should quit? Believe me, it's enough to drive you crazy

As for dope...the name says it all. I've tried it twice, and I don't see the point. It was almost definately THE SINGLE worst thing I've ever tasted, and even worse, it doesn't just go away, not in a day, not even a week. For about 2 weeks after you toke up, you have that horrible taste, which I can only describe as what you might imagine eating burned citrus fruit like, every time you take a drink, or worse, smoke. Being a pothead is nothing to be proud of...I don't know about where you live, but here, potheads usually can't get a decent job (especially if it's obvious) and wind up living off their parents/their girl's parents/etc, etc. Is throwing your life away really worth short high sensation?

[amp_man]

accidental double post, mod/admin please delete

[DigitalAZ]

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

I am a smoker. I have been for about 2 years now, and I hate it. But it's an endless cycle...every time I try to quit, someone gets on my a** about how "stupid I was to ever start" or about what it can do to you, or how second hand smoke could kill them...well, for god's sake, I'm not a dumbass, I know this.

Apparently not...

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

Walking by me smoking a cigarette is not going to kill you, if you don't like it, hold you breath for a second or two, but say enough of this crap to me, you just might wish it had. I am SO sick and tired of every non-smoker deciding to make it their personal vendetta to inform me of the dangers of smoking. I KNOW THESE THINGS!!!! For god's sake, even my pack of cigarettes today included a stop smoking pamphlet!!!

ANd yet you still smoke... all these signs telling you to stop and even an informative pamphlet but you can't make one decision for yourself?

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

If you want me to quit, shut the f*** up already, and keep your comments to yourself, you can't say a **** thing I don't already know. I smoke to escape from the stress of everyday life...you aren't helping.

Hey I will stfu and keep my comments to myself when you keep your second hand smoke to yourself... deal?

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

Furthermore, for that arrogant prick who stated that the guy smoking 4 cars up was bugging him, you have obviously never driven a car before in your life. The smoke from a cigarette does not come out the window and just stay there, the motion of the air around the car dissipates it, the person in the car behind the smoker might get the slightest whif of it (assuming absolutely no wind whatsoever), but certainly not someone 4 cars back.

Ok so everyday when I drive home I do not actually smell smoke I am imagining it because you obviously have a theory how smoke "doesn't come out a window and stay there"... Slighest whiff? Hey f***nut your senses are dulled by your addiction. WE CAN SMELL YOU! Just because your damaged senses can't smell something doesnt mean it isnt there.

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

Also, about the litter. I cannot count the number of times I have seen someone chuck a drink cup or fast food bag out the window, or how often I've seen the remains of a blown truck tire scattered all over the road. And you might argue that there are 50 times more cigarrette butts out there than all of these combined...but where are they?? I see ugly mangled black rubber, I see four year old soda cans, and brown paper bags so moulded into the road that only the rain will eventually get rid of them...but I have never EVER noticed a single cigarrette butt on the highway.

And two wrongs make a right? So because other litter exists throwing a butt out the window is ok? How many forest fires have been started by an old soda can or fast food bag? Get a clue.

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

As for the whole 20-feet from buildings thing, I feel your pain, that's the rule at my college. It drives me nuts, because people will come out if you're only standing 10 feet from the entrance and tell you so. I mean, this is ridiculous, most of the time it's about 10 degrees, and the side of the building only stretches for around 10 feet, so you freeze your a** off. Not to mention that on a few of the buildings, 20 feet would put you dad-smack in the middle of either the sidewalk or the road, I would think being a little closer to the building would be preferred. And come on, how little of that smoke is actually going to make it into the building from 10 feet away? I'll bet more comes in on my clothing then would from my cigarette.

Again with the magical non traveling smoke that noone can smell...

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

And the health risk. There's a health risk every time you walk out the door. Hell, I've known just as many people who've died in car crashes as who've died from lung cancer...but the ones who died in accidents were a heck of a lot younger, and much more dearly missed, because noone ever would have suspected it was coming. Unless you live in a hut with no contact with the outside world, you know there's a danger to smoking. If you choose to accept that danger, then so be it. But for god's sake, please shut up about it, I long for a day when I don't hear about it at least twice.

There is a health risk everytime I walk out the door... very true. BUT it is my choice to take these risks. I didn't choose to be harmed by your second hand smoke because you are a junky and half the population is as well.

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

And just to clarify, I'm not trying to defend smoking itself, I'm defending my right to smoke. I have made my decision that smoking is not something I wish to do for the rest of my life (and my girlfriend really doesn't care for it either), but if I did, I believe that I should have the right to do so peacefully, without every prick on the **** planet nitpicking because his coat now stinks from walking by five feet from me. YOU PEOPLE PlSS ME OFF!!! (in case you hadn't figured that out by now)

How about our right to stand outside and breath fresh air.... I can be at the park with my kid and someone will be smoking.. not only around their kids but around other peoples kid too.. What other weak mind id*** is that inconsiderate? Smokers take the cake. Selfish and self centered.

Your post is riddled with excuses. Preach to me when you are able to control your addiction and stop. You claim you try but everyone who cares about you expresses concern bothers you and makes you start smoking again? Wha So now it is your loved ones fault you are a junky?

You are still a young kid in college. Wait until you grow up and live life a bit. I promise your views will change severly.

Recognizing you have a problem is the first step. Stop blaming others. There is no way to justify your inconsiderate habit which harms others around. Just quit. You know the risks.. you know the facts,, you know the outcome. Just do it. Once you get your senses back after a year or two of no smoking you will be amazed at how much the stench is around you and you will think back to this post.

Now to rant about the companies that sell these things. How come we can send a man to the moon, create bullet proof glass, cheese in a can, and edible panties but we can't make a smokeless/oderless cigarette?

[un4given1]

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Hey I will stfu and keep my comments to myself when you keep your second hand smoke to yourself... deal?

WELL SAID! Awesome!

[HighDarkTemplar]

I voted for no and I really hate smokers. The scent hangs up in your clothes and your skin. The stinking smell gives a headache and it's going cold down my back.......




Best&cold regards
Nerevar

[papowers]

Drakhan - what are you doing amongst all of these anal-retentive, self-righteous, takin' themselves WAY too seriously prigs? brb - gotta go burn one...

[BIGbadjohn]

No and I hate smokers, that is from an ex-smoker.

I know I'm a bore but that is how I feel about the "stink" of stale ciggy smoke.
I stopped in 1975, my doc. says when asked if I smoked to answer "never".
It has just dawned on me that that is 30 years ago, wow!!.

Edit: I don't hate the person only the habit.

[hucktunes]

Yes, and so does my amigo Stevo. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-3/9708...igoscropped.jpg

[enquvist]

I'm a smoker

We're a dying breed these days!!

[scankurban]

Everybody have a reason(smoke or not).dont judge smokers

[sonu27]

No and never.

Bad for your health.

Has anyone seen that movie: Constantine?

If you have you'll know.

[Bâshrat the Sneaky]

I also STRONGLY agree with army20 & ExtremeMac!

[raza]

I don't smoke and I hate those who smoke in public areas.Thank goodness I live in KSA where smoking is highly discouraged.

[nite0859]

I started smoking when I was 20 (junior in college), well because my girlfriend at the time smoked. I must admit, attempting to inhale the first pack of cigs was difficult. However, it got easier with time. At college parties, a lot of people smoked. A lot of people drank. A lot of people smoked while they drank. I happened to be one of them.

After I discovered that her punk-arse had some kind of infatuation with being "friends" with ex-boyfriends, I still smoked. She would go out with exboyfriends, drink some beer with exboyfriends, but would swear that they were just friends. Does any of this sound familiar to you dudes as well ? How about this : she would "party" at their apartments, be friends with their friends, continually surrounding herself with the past -- all the while claiming to remain friends. (How easy it is for a female ... to put on the right clothes, the right makeup, the right attitude, then WHAM ... they get laid. While men, on the other hand, can try to do everything right -- yet fail miserably if she is not in the mood.) She was dumb. I was dumber for being with her. Anyhow, I decided right then and there that ... I would have to stick with her for the steady sex -- all the while feining love. Even IF she might be catching a few shots from her exboyfriends on the side, I would still get mine.

So the meaning of smoking changed. The meaning began as a way to have something in common with her. (Mistake #1.) Then the smoking began to embody the meaning of "burning" away other people. (No lifeguard at the gene pool.) When all else fails, there was a beer and a smoke. When I was stressed, there was smoke. Wake up in the morning, there was a smoke. After dinner, there was a smoke. Breaktime at work, there was a smoke. Clubbing, there was a smoke. After banging some chick, there was a smoke. Idle time in the car, there was a smoke. And sometimes when I thought it annoyed people... even after I just had a smoke... I would smoke again.

Continue this for 8 more years, minus 2 months, and you got my situation. I stopped smoking 2 months ago. Not because I wanted to, mind you. I loved smoking. Smoking was definately a good thing. No one knows how they're gonna die, right? Well, at least I picked my path. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Marlboro lights -- hard pack -- were my choice. I knew how to pack 'em just right, too. Anyhow -- I got sick. Not death-illness or anything, ... just plain and simply sick. It was quite annoying. I attempted to smoke ... multiple times ... while sick and this would result in me coughing even harder for longer periods of time. So I said, "Self," I says, "why don't you temporarily stop for a little bit ... just until you're over this crap,... put the rest of that pack in fridge and wait." THen the reply, "Yes," I says to me, "that's a wonderful idea. I'll get well, then start up again."

Well, I got well. But then I figured, "Hey. It's been a week and you haven't lit up once. Why not go for longer and see if you can quit this time." ... "Okay," I replied. "We'll see." So now it's two months later. I still want to smoke. Everyday I want to smoke. I see others smoke, I want to smoke. I think about smoking, I want to smoke. I see anime characters smoking, I want to smoke. But I don't. I want to... but just don't.

Ah crap. Was I babbling again? Ah, well. Guess I'll go have a smo... Dr. Pepper.
[Shakes head]

Someone, please invent a healthy cigarette. One that instead of all the toxins actually creates vitamins, minerals, and oxygen as it burns. And make them scented, too. Vanilla, strawberry... that way you'll have the added bonus of a breath freshener.

[Slaps self]

[Andrew932]

No, but can't say I won't in the future

[Zxian]

Nope! Never have, never will, and I try to get everyone I see (literally) to stop.

VanHammersly1, on Mar 8 2005, 12:05 PM, said:

You see, when food is cooked most of the same carcinogens that are in cigarette smoke are released into the atmosphere, and at a much higher rate than burning cigarettes. This is a public health hazard and service industry workers need to be protected.

The mercury levels in fish, trans-fatty acids produced in the frying of meats etc. pose a great health risk. If you want to kill yourself by consuming these foods, go right ahead and do it in the privacy of your own home. But please don't force me to inhale the exhaust of hot gas-ranges in restaurants if I'm trying to enjoy my meal in a public place! Keep your disgusting habits to yourself please.

Umm.... this is probably the biggest load of crap I've ever heard... trying to ban cooked food? Have a look at any proper nutrition book and they'll tell you that cooking food is the first step in digestion. Human beings have evolved to become omnivores (eat meat and plants) and the only way for us to properly digest the proteins in meat is by cooking them.

As for the "health risks" with cooked food and your comparison with cigarettes: Cigarettes have about 2000 known chemicals other than just tobacco in them. Cooked food does not. I could add another few paragraphs to this if you'd like.

DigitalAZ, on Mar 14 2005, 06:57 AM, said:

Hey I will stfu and keep my comments to myself when you keep your second hand smoke to yourself... deal?

Well said!

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

Also, about the litter. I cannot count the number of times I have seen someone chuck a drink cup or fast food bag out the window, or how often I've seen the remains of a blown truck tire scattered all over the road. And you might argue that there are 50 times more cigarrette butts out there than all of these combined...but where are they?? I see ugly mangled black rubber, I see four year old soda cans, and brown paper bags so moulded into the road that only the rain will eventually get rid of them...but I have never EVER noticed a single cigarrette butt on the highway.

Take a look at what happened to the forests in British Columbia in the past two years. We've had 2 summers with horrendous forest fires caused by... you guessed it... cigarettes. The biggest fire last year was caused by a firefighter of all people. A FIREFIGHTER!!! Over one million acres of good lumber went up in smoke because of cigarettes and the irresponsible people who throw them out of their truck window.

Also, if you look at the city where I live (Vancouver, Canada) you'll rarely see coffee cups and bottles laying on the ground, but you do see quite a few butts lying on the sidewalks and on the roads.

amp_man, on Mar 14 2005, 03:03 AM, said:

And the health risk. There's a health risk every time you walk out the door. Hell, I've known just as many people who've died in car crashes as who've died from lung cancer...but the ones who died in accidents were a heck of a lot younger, and much more dearly missed, because noone ever would have suspected it was coming. Unless you live in a hut with no contact with the outside world, you know there's a danger to smoking. If you choose to accept that danger, then so be it. But for god's sake, please shut up about it, I long for a day when I don't hear about it at least twice.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the comment about the age at which people die because of car accidents and smoking - Tell that to one of my old classmates who developed emphysema at age 15 and got lung cancer at 17 (she passed away in her last year of high school). And yes, I miss her very much. Aside from the smoking she was a very nice person. She knew the dangers of it as well, but she didn't have the willpower to stop when things started to go downhill. Don't make the same mistake as she did.

scankurban, on Mar 25 2005, 08:14 AM, said:

Everybody have a reason(smoke or not).dont judge smokers
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There is no reason to smoke. The whole argument about it "relieving stress" comes from the fact that when you are under stress, the nicotine levels in your bloodstream drop, making you have a craving. When you go for the cigarette, it brings those levels back up and makes you "feel better". It's the worst possible excuse I know for smokers. Other than that, there is no reason!



Just to give a bit more background to my views on this matter - I'm working at a cancer research centre. I'm working on a project that will allow doctors to view the cells inside a person's lungs while they're on the operating table. This means that diagnoses will come a lot quicker and therefore more lives will be saved. I HATE the fact that this technology will be used on people who purposefully damage themselves and need my time, sweat, and blood to save their lives. It's downright unfair. I like the job though, since it will help to save those people who are the unfortunate targets of natrual selection, and it's giving me good work experience.

[rikgale]

If ppl want to kill themselves in that way then let them get on with, I don't care.

[Lost Soul]

i dont smoke and i have nothing against ppl that do just dont breath it on me,, especially when im eating lol