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This is a run of the IBM EWS crc utility, over the two directories.

The [BASE] and [TGT] are directory prompts, not parts of commands. You need to be in that directory.

You run first [BASE:] CRC -l -s * > c:\crc.txt

The file contains crcs in the form as follows, for all files in the tree below BASE:
1268 0x7FC9C8FA "SLOADER.LST"
2404 0x25AF02D1 "TMC/ACCESS.HTM"


You then run [TGT:] CRCCHK c:\crc.txt. It produces messages for missing and changed files, as below.

To completely compare two directories, you have to go both ways, since it won't tell you that the file is present in the target directory. For the cdrom, BASE is the root directory of the disk, ie O:\

The cdrom has additional files in TMC and the file FILEWISE are missing from the download, but the bulk of the other files are identical in both releases. See table below.

Using WIN98 sampler as base, and the reskit as TGT, the only error message is cannot access file 'RESKIT.INF'.

BASE = ftp site download  TGT = cdrom

crcchk: length mismatch for file: TMC/WIN98TMC.DLL
crcchk: length mismatch for file: SETUP/RESKIT.INF
crcchk: length mismatch for file: SETUP/RESKIT.STF
crcchk: length mismatch for file: HELP/WIN98RK.CHM

BASE = 98 reskit cdrom; TGT = ftp site download

crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/ACCESS.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/CONFIG.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/CONSOLE.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/DEPLOY.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/DESKTOP.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/DOCUMENT.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/DXTSHOOT.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/FILETOOL.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/GUI.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/HELP.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/HELPBOOK.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/HTML.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/NETADMIN.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/NTDISK.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/NTTILE.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/PC32.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/PERFORM.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/POWERTOY.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/REGTOOL.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/SCRIPTOL.HTM'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/SERVICE.GIF'.
crcchk: Cannot access file 'TMC/TMCTKPAD.DLL'.
crcchk: length mismatch for file: TMC/WIN98TMC.DLL
crcchk: length mismatch for file: SETUP/RESKIT.INF
crcchk: length mismatch for file: SETUP/RESKIT.STF
crcchk: length mismatch for file: HELP/WIN98RK.CHM
crcchk: Cannot access file 'DIAGNOSE/FILEWISE.EXE'.

Edited by os2fan2, 06 June 2012 - 02:58 AM.



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Your FTP client came back stoned with 7 entries for \reskit\, but if your FTP client got already stoned by just looking at all these goodies at MS, can you be sure that the files it brought back are good? We generally agree that \reskit\ contains 2382 files in 91 folders, but can one trust what a stoned FTP client brings back, i.e. is your downloaded stuff really good?

Don't you understand that all those directories are one and the same and that there is no problem on server's side? Client just displays whatever case I use for connecting and there I just made successive connections with different cases to get that. If I refresh the tree I am just left with one entry which is cased as it is on the server.

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Edited by loblo, 06 June 2012 - 10:11 AM.


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I downloaded the entire set twice on my Amiga. The results were exactly the same, byte for byte. Other than the three retries I see no issues with the Server.
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I downloaded the entire set twice on my Amiga. The results were exactly the same, byte for byte. Other than the three retries I see no issues with the Server.


I have just repeated an attempt to download the stuff from ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/technet/samples/ps/win98/Reskit/ with Beyond Compare ... connected ... to an ancient Linksys Router BEFSR41.... The transfer of 39 files was terminated by Beyond Compare with the following messages:
- Data channel timed out; or:
- The semaphore timeout period has expired; or:
- Connection closed.

What these messages tell me, is that something didn't work :) ...More information about such an error message ["The semaphore timeout period has expired"] is here: http://social.techne...3d-b7bb8f893f78 ... Any suggestions?

(posting #100)

Hi rloew,
Here is the solution to the puzzle: I have been using an old spare router Linksys Router BEFSR41 v4.1 (firmware v1.04.06 of about 2005/2006), because my previous wireless router had died 6 weeks ago. The spare router has apparently worked fine, but no wireless, a lot of long Ethernet cables to trip over, so I finally got a replacement 2 days ago, an Asus RT-N66U.

I have repeated the download from ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/technet/samples/ps/win98/Reskit/ with Beyond Compare v2.5.3, under Win98 and WinXP, with the new Asus router - and low and behold, no problems whatsoever. So the problem with the FTP transfer of files was resolved with a new router. Maybe this FTP site is a good site for testing old routers. The old Linksys router had worked fine, no apparent problems with HTTP or the eMule.

Here an OT question: The new, top-of-the-line Asus RT-N66U works fine, but I am at the point of returning it, its configuration program does not accept any entries into the port forwarding table, google displays other people having the same problem. eMule gets a high ID (=works Ok) by selecting "Use UPnP to Setup Ports" in the eMule Connection menu, but this port forwarding issue bothers me. Any suggestions, or experience with DD-WRT, for the Asus router?

Edited by Multibooter, 06 June 2012 - 08:05 PM.


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The correct path regarding capitalization of folders appears to be:
ftp://ftp.microsoft....s/Win98/Reskit/

I had previously downloaded the whole bunch of files and they all got mixed up, some main folders were not created (has been previously reported). There appears to be a healthy crop of FPT paths, all with slightly different casing, such as services -> Services or technet -> TechNet.
All this could be a deterring attempt (with my paranoia hat on) or simply a clash of paths between multiple servers in different locations that have not (yet) been synchronized.

I'm still in the process of downloading but so far the folder structure seems to be preserved, using FlashGet 1.9.6.1073 under XP. Since there's been quite a talk on FlashGet earlier, I should say I've been using it ever since version 0.96a back in 2001, mainly because of its browser hook which offered the 'Download all with FlashGet' option in the page context menu.
What I wanted to add is that the security concern that came up earlier may be based on the fact that after 1.7x they built ed2k/Kad and t0rr3nt capabilities into FlashGet, which require multiple port usage (both TCP ad UDP). Anyhow, I personally had/have no fear in using it.

It still has some bugs though, which may well depend on the current version. The one I'm using chokes at some random file and needs manual stop and restart that file to resume correct operation. Other times it just freezes for a few seconds, when download speed is too high and/or too many streams are running, but that may also depend on settings (including OS TCP/IP settings, TTL timings, etc)

As it just finished downloading, Total Commander reports 2375 files in 91 folders for a total of 169,970,943 bytes. According to the numbers throughout the topic, it seems FG missed a few files but comparing to submix8c's index list would take too long and I just noticed the sun is up already and I haven't slept. :(

Bottom line is, there may be more paths to different (incomplete?) versions of the Reskit folder or there may be bugs in the software that performs the path aliasing. Or whatever. What was this Reskit good for, actually...? :unsure:

EDIT:
Interestingly enough, I quick-posted in one thread and suddenly find myself in another one. Aliens?! :huh:

Edited by Drugwash, 06 June 2012 - 11:26 PM.


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Interestingly enough, I quick-posted in one thread and suddenly find myself in another one. Aliens?! :huh:

Yeah, and most probably of the Pebkac species, there seems to be a few of them who have abducted this thread. :w00t:

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@Multibooter - I've found that sometimes a Firmware Update helps routers - There's a newer version for yours here (I have an older model of the same router). Click Downloads then select your Version.

@Drugwash - Like I said, use Karen's Directory Printer (what I used) and Save the List in the same format/options (you must be referring to Post#57). Global Edit this
Z:\WINwork\win98\Reskit_CDRom\
to conform to YOUR Root Name and do a Line Compare with whatever Tool suits your fancy. Any FileHash differences need re-downloaded and any MISSING need downloaded.

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I had previously downloaded the whole bunch of files and they all got mixed up, some main folders were not created... Total Commander reports 2375 files in 91 folders for a total of 169,970,943 bytes. According to the numbers throughout the topic, it seems FG missed a few files

I remember having gotten a similar value. Maybe old routers use old FTP specifications http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5797 or the MS FTP server doesn't get along with old routers.

What was this Reskit good for, actually...? :unsure:

It would be interesting to have a list of those Reskit98 applets still useful in 2012, with their unique features. I liked FILEWISE.EXE because it has a 5 minute learning curve. FILEWISE.EXE didn't crash when I opened a folder with 10,000+ files, although I haven't tried to open with it my largest folder (450,000+ files/130GB/FAT32). BOOTEDIT.EXE did not work in my initial test, but I haven't checked why.

Edited by Multibooter, 07 June 2012 - 09:41 AM.


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@Multibooter - you've installed the ResKit?

Files Required - BOOTEDIT.EXE / BOOTEDIT.HLP
If your Boot Drive is FAT32, you can't enable MultiBoot or set to boot to previous version of DOS


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@Multibooter - I've found that sometimes a Firmware Update helps routers - There's a newer version for yours here (I have an older model of the same router).

Thanks submix8c. Perhaps the last firmware update Ver.1.04.09 of 09/13/2006 could help, but I suspect that the firmware update is not current enough for any new specifications, if that was the cause. I am first fiddling around with the port forwarding issue my new Asus RT-N66U router.

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Interestingly enough, I quick-posted in one thread and suddenly find myself in another one. Aliens?! :huh:

Yeah, and most probably of the Pebkac species, there seems to be a few of them who have abducted this thread. :w00t:

Since I'm in a (relatively) good mood, let's just blame it on the state of exhaustion I was in, at the time of posting. Maybe I forgot to turn the page.
I usually recognize that "alien species" you're talking about when I see them.

Like I said, use Karen's Directory Printer (what I used) and Save the List in the same format/options[...]

I'm used to a slightly different approach: there's a packer plug-in for Total Commander that allows one to create and browse files of type .lst, which are exact replicas of the folder tree used as source when creating them. With the only difference that any .lst file neested within such .lst will appear in the form of a folder, allowing to browse its contents.
If you have the means to browse .lst files you'll see what I got.

download

EDIT:
This topic goes much faster than my Internet connection. :(

I remember having gotten a similar value. Maybe old routers use old FTP specifications

I don't have a (working) router in my house, connection goes through a GPRS modem (ZTE MF-190 or something). No clue on the hardware used by my ISP along the way.

Edited by Drugwash, 07 June 2012 - 10:15 AM.


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@Multibooter - BE FOREWARNED! Connect the Router to PC ONLY! Disconnect from the Modem (WAN) Side! Read CAREFULLY any instructions. You will HOSE the Router and play HECK getting the Firmware corrected (there ARE methods sometimes).

@Drugwash - the POINT of my post is to save you some hassle - MY LIST IS ACCURATE! By REPLICATING the List on YOUR downloads and LINE COMPARING, you have what you need to "correct" your download. I do NOT have TC, and DirPrt is... FREE!!! (Not sure about TC but you DO get the point, don't you?).

WHY should ANYONE "browse a list" when the Method I indicated will yield ONLY NECESSARY "FIXES"? After all I didn't suggest "browsing" ANYTHING! I could easily use my method for Comparison against ANY "version" of the ResKit (Much like BeyondCompare)! BTW, I also have DirPrudence for Directory/File comparisons and CompareIt for contents comparisons (hence "Tool of your choice").

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Total Commander, Version 8.0, is a Shareware file manager for Windows® 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP/Vista/7, and Windows® 3.1.

And below that something about "orders". NOT "Free"! Or am I missing something here?

Edited by submix8c, 07 June 2012 - 10:13 AM.

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I had previously downloaded the whole bunch of files and they all got mixed up, some main folders were not created... Total Commander reports 2375 files in 91 folders for a total of 169,970,943 bytes. According to the numbers throughout the topic, it seems FG missed a few files

I remember having gotten a similar value. Maybe old routers use old FTP specifications http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5797 or the MS FTP server doesn't get along with old routers.

My Amiga Software is more than 15 years old, so I doubt that their server needs newer protocols.
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@Multibooter - you've installed the ResKit?

Files Required - BOOTEDIT.EXE / BOOTEDIT.HLP
If your Boot Drive is FAT32, you can't enable MultiBoot or set to boot to previous version of DOS

My boot drive is FAT16 and the properties hidden and read-only of MSDOS.SYS were de-selected. I got the error message "Windows Boot Editor. Could not set attributes on file. See help for more information". I am also using System Commander v9.04, maybe BOOTEDIT.EXE tries to modify other stuff besides my MSDOS.SYS, which was modified with notepad to 1698 bytes. Reskit98 tools are test-installed on one of my Win98 systems, which is currently busy with a big download under WinXP, but if I remember right, I got the same error message under Win98SE when running BOOTEDIT.EXE with the Tools Management Console. Does BOOTEDIT.EXE work on your system?

Edited by Multibooter, 07 June 2012 - 10:26 AM.


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On a VPC Win98SE, I cleared (in MSDOS prompt) Attributes (standard is System/Hidden/Readonly). It sticks when displayed back. I then manually ran BOOTEDIT from a Folder (a short-named path, mind you) with the HLP file with it. Works fine and RESETS Attributes back to SHR... Did it WITHOUT Clearing as well. Even did it with just "Archive" bit set - same result... Filesystem=FAT16...

Hmmm. maybe something to do with C-Drive and marked Active(? normally required). More than likely using System Commander is causing problems. BOOTEDIT does NOT alter any other file (there's even a tab to display the contents).

edit - side note - it appears that this one was a "clean" install with IE6SP1, the MSInstaller, a Firewall, and a Printer added (maybe some other minor items). Still, shouldn't matter unless it has to do with some "unofficial" updates?

Edited by submix8c, 07 June 2012 - 10:57 AM.

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I don't have a (working) router in my house, connection goes through a GPRS modem (ZTE MF-190 or something). No clue on the hardware used by my ISP along the way.

Your modem http://www.alibaba.c..._modem.html?s=p seems to be recent. Perhaps changing your FTP settings (bigger local cache, I increased mine from 4096KB to 40960KB) could help if the files not downloaded were big files, as I would speculate. Or repeat the download for just the missing files. Or try another modem, maybe the FTP of your modem doesn't work with the hardware of your ISP...

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Hmmm. maybe something to do with C-Drive and marked Active(? normally required). More than likely using System Commander is causing problems. BOOTEDIT does NOT alter any other file (there's even a tab to display the contents).... "unofficial" updates?

The C partition is Primary and Active. I have copied BOOTEDIT.EXE + BOOTEDIT.HLP to the root of C: and ran it there, with the attributes SHR of MSDOS.SYS set to on and off, same error message. Unofficial updates can probably be excluded, but I currently can't check with an opsys selection which just has a virgin Win98SE installed, this computer is busy with a long download.

From the name of the program "BOOTEDIT" I would speculate that it also tries to modify the boot sector (if it does, then BOOTEDIT would be useless to me). System Commander swaps in its own boot code, so perhaps the error message by BOOTEDIT is misleading and BOOTEDIT doesn't find something in the System Commander boot record.

Edited by Multibooter, 07 June 2012 - 11:44 AM.


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I don't have a (working) router in my house, connection goes through a GPRS modem (ZTE MF-190 or something). No clue on the hardware used by my ISP along the way.

Your modem http://www.alibaba.c..._modem.html?s=p seems to be recent. Perhaps changing your FTP settings (bigger local cache, I increased mine from 4096KB to 40960KB) could help if the files not downloaded were big files, as I would speculate. Or repeat the download for just the missing files. Or try another modem, maybe the FTP of your modem doesn't work with the hardware of your ISP...

The modem is under lease from the ISP, on subscription and alternatives are much more expensive and less advantageous, something I can't afford. :(
FlashGet never had trouble downloading big files over HTTP or other protocols, but one never knows. Not sure if there's any such FTP cache setting in FG.

@Drugwash - the POINT of my post is to save you some hassle - MY LIST IS ACCURATE! By REPLICATING the List on YOUR downloads and LINE COMPARING, you have what you need to "correct" your download. I do NOT have TC, and DirPrt is... FREE!!! (Not sure about TC but you DO get the point, don't you?).

WHY should ANYONE "browse a list" when the Method I indicated will yield ONLY NECESSARY "FIXES"? After all I didn't suggest "browsing" ANYTHING! I could easily use my method for Comparison against ANY "version" of the ResKit (Much like BeyondCompare)! BTW, I also have DirPrudence for Directory/File comparisons and CompareIt for contents comparisons (hence "Tool of your choice").

Well, the tool of my choice is TC and what you do with a dozen separate apps I can do with only one, provided any necessary plug-ins (which are mostly freeware/open-source) are installed and properly configured.

To the point: the list you provided has the same format as my .lst, only it has the extra MD5/CRC that the TC plug-in DiskDirExtended doesn't provide. Even so, changing file extension from .txt to .lst allows me to browse the folder tree in your list - difference is that date and time will be zero. The point of this "browsing" is to have a direct visual of the folder tree structure, as opposed to a long list of files and folders in a hard-to-define order. Other than that, to each their own.

Please note I am not directly interested in the Reskit itself - as I can build my own tools when necessary - but more in the quirks of FTP downloading and other side-effects of this exercise. If anything, we just share personal experience. Thanks for your input so far.

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:thumbup To each their own...

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FlashGet never had trouble downloading big files over HTTP or other protocols, but one never knows. Not sure if there's any such FTP cache setting in FG.

I like the download log of FlashGet. Downloading a whole FTP site (e.g. 2000 files), instead of just a few files, clutters up this log, so FlashGet doesn't appeal to me for this task. After downloading with FlashGet, the left pane of FlashGet started to fill up with lots of subdirectories, which take quite some time to delete again.

I haven't found a setting in FlashGet for changing the cache size, but there are so many settings, and getting FlashGet to work with this FTP site and hardware, may turn into a learning exercise, by trial-and-error :(

BTW, adding in -> Tools -> Site Explorer -> Tools -> Site Explorer Options into the field FTP Extra List Command (after "-la", with a leading space) "-T" (or "-lT"??, "l" of (L)IST) may perhaps have an impact on file dates. Under Beyond Compare v2.5.3 I have selected this parameter for "Complete Time", together with "-a" for "Show Hidden". I am not sure about the FTP commands, "-L" stands for "Resolve Links" in the Beyond Compare (I have not selected this setting). Maybe an FTP expert can find parameters which may help.

Edited by Multibooter, 07 June 2012 - 02:45 PM.


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Please note I am not directly interested in the Reskit itself - as I can build my own tools when necessary - but more in the quirks of FTP downloading and other side-effects of this exercise. If anything, we just share personal experience. Thanks for your input so far.

@dencorso: Do you think it would be helpful to add a subtitle to this topic, like: "from an interesting FTP site"? This would cover the 2 sub-topics discussed here.

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I like the download log of FlashGet. Downloading a whole FTP site (e.g. 2000 files), instead of just a few files, clutters up this log, so FlashGet doesn't appeal to me for this task. After downloading with FlashGet, the left pane of FlashGet started to fill up with lots of subdirectories, which take quite some time to delete again.

In the left-hand pane right-click on "Downloaded", click "New Category". Now when you Download, change the "Category" and all will show up under that one. It's how to "organize"... otherwise, everything by default shows up under "Downloaded" (and "Default Download Location" is "C:\Downloads"). Right-Click on that newly-created Category to change the "Default Download Location" (of which the default is "C:\Downloads\CategoryFolderName").

There is no such thing as a "Cache"... Files/Folders are directly allocated and directly "copied" There is no "intermediate" - does NOT work like Windows FTP "copy" (which uses your "TEMP" directory). Download any LARGE file and watch it "allocate" that space pre-download.

The only "cache" (per se) that I know of is the MTU in the Router (if using one) and TCP/IP settings. I've used TCP Optimizer to increase throughput on the OS.

As far as the "Extra Commands", I'd venture to say that since FlashGet is using proprietary HTTP/FTP methods that '-la" means List using Any Installed Protocol (ref. this also this).

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Windows 98 Resource Kit Beta Release
There is also an earlier version v98.0.1.110 of the Win98 Resource Kit. The CD creation date is 22-Jan-1998. The tools on it are nearly all different versions from those on the Book CD and from the FTP site.

I have attached a scan of the CD, from my collection. I have also added a screen shot of the beta version to posting #120 http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__999860 , for easier comparison.

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Windows 98 Resource Kit Beta Release
There is also an earlier version v98.0.1.110 of the Win98 Resource Kit. The CD creation date is 22-Jan-1998. The tools on it are nearly all different versions from those on the Book CD and from the FTP site.

I have attached a scan of the CD, from my collection. I have also added a screen shot of the beta version to posting #120 http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__999860 , for easier comparison.

Multibooter,

Do you know what it means (on the CD in the screenshot) when it says that it "expires" on 12/31/98?

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Do you know what it means (on the CD in the screenshot) when it says that it "expires" on 12/31/98?

Hi JorgeA,
Only the Windows 98 Beta 3 operating system installation expires, not the Windows 98 Resource Kit. The tool apps can all run as standalone and don't expire.

I have attached a screen shot of the Tools Management Console BETA. The About screen says "Version 1.0 Release". In contrast, the About screen of the Book CD and of the FTP version says "Microsoft ® Management Console 1.2".
In the screen shot there is also "Cfgback", a tool neither on the Book CD nor in the FTP version. The Beta version appears in the Add-Remove list as "Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit", the Book CD and the FTP versions as "Microsoft Windows 98 Resource Kit Tools".

The printed book has printed on the cover "Special Limited Edition! Includes Windows 98 Beta 3 (Time-Limited Beta Preview)". The back of the book states: "The Microsoft 98 Resource Kit, Beta release, is the first full technical överwiew for corporate administrators and support professionals evaluating Windows 98 for their organizations." The Beta CD includes a special WIN98RK.HLP for the utilities on the Beta CD, but does not include an eBook version (.CHM) of the printed Resource Kit.

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Edited by Multibooter, 09 June 2012 - 03:09 AM.





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