Win98 Resource Kit from an interesting FTP site...
#41
Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:24 AM
#42
Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:35 AM
#43
Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:52 AM
Multibooter, on 25 May 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:
2) When downloading with Flashget from the folder with the small "r", a varying number of files gets downloaded, usually 9 files, but sometimes 22 files, until the download terminates. When downloading with Flashget from the folder with the capital "R", 2000+ files get downloaded. On the 1st download attempts from the folder with the Capital "R", 2375 files and 91 folders were downloaded, on the 2nd attempt 2362 files and 89 folders. Also the folder with the small "r" has a blank modification date.
The 2 different folder names may be the cause for the download issues, and may be the reason why the stuff is still on the MS server, maybe it's hard to delete. I would speculate that this could explain the varying download results, and that other such instances could exist, and I fully trust that there are no security issues. I am attaching a screenshot of the 2 different folder names. Firefox or FTP Voyager, for example, display only one folder with a Capital "R".
The folder in question makes no difference to "name" - they both point to THE SAME FOLDER CONTENTS (r vs. R is an "alternate server pointer")! Obviously a "bug" in your FGv172 that was fixed. The contents is actually within the "R-" folder (which is the only one I have showing) and the total files/folders is 2382/91 and is an "extracted" CD-ROM image (notice the Autorun.inf?).
HTH...
This post has been edited by submix8c: 26 May 2012 - 09:56 AM
#44
Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:21 PM
Multibooter, on 26 May 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:
What is the last/best version of FileZilla for Win98SE?
Most of the files not downloaded by Flashget v1.72 were .HTM, .GIF, .TXT and .DLL (see list in posting #32), maybe Flashget v1.72 has an issue. When selecting in the right-click menu of the FlashGet Site Explorer: "Open in Browser" ftp://ftp.microsoft....GES/REDUCED.GIF , which is on the list above, is displayed Ok in Firefox, when selecting "Download" in the right-click menu of Flashget Site Explorer, nothing happens.
The file ftp://ftp.microsoft....ALLERY/NAME.HTM loads Ok into Firefox, but is not displayed by FlashGet v1.72, only a zero-length file with no prefix, just ".htm".
FileZilla for Win98? Sorry, I think it's currently only available for XP and later. For what it's worth, the files I downloaded seemed to be complete, at least the two particular files you mentioned above seemed correct. If you have a list of the files you are having trouble downloading correctly I might could find you another temporary link for them. My previous question stands. Any idea where I might be able to download the "missing" files that were available with the book?
Cheers and Regards
This post has been edited by bphlpt: 26 May 2012 - 01:12 PM
#45
Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:48 PM
Other decent 98/ME compatible FTP clients btw:
FTP Surfer 1.0.7
BlazeFtp 2.1
This post has been edited by loblo: 26 May 2012 - 01:02 PM
#46
Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:23 PM
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Windows 95C - last working Filezilla 2.2.18 - http://www.filehippo..._filezilla/667/
Windows 98/SE/ME - last working Filezilla 2.2.22 - http://sourceforge.n...Zilla%202.2.22/
Windows 2000 - last official working version is 3.0.11.1 - http://sourceforge.n...lient/3.0.11.1/
The current versions up to 3.5.3 seem to work fine on Windows 2000, but only basic functionality has been tested.
If FileZilla freezes itself or even the OS right after the start, you must disable automatic updates. See http://forum.filezil...?p=51733#p51733 . I recommend to disable automatic updates via an fzdefaults.xml file. You can either create your own, see the fzdefaults.xml.example file that got installed with FileZilla, or use the one I've attached to this post (dump the file into the program directory of FileZilla).
As FileZilla 2.2.32 seems to have disappeared from the Sourceforge list, here the download link for anyone still needing it:
http://download.file..._2_32_setup.exe (only transition to v3 supported)
http://download.file..._2_2_32_src.zip
Legacy version, don't ask for support on the forums, you are on your own. Don't blame us if you run into problems.
Cheers and Regards
This post has been edited by bphlpt: 26 May 2012 - 01:29 PM
#47
Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:32 PM
bphlpt, on 26 May 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:
Just out of curiosity, do you expect that "more info" will be in the MSDN 2001 set(s)? I have access to the MSDN Oct 2001 but, why bother?
edit - MSDN Library Wiki
This post has been edited by submix8c: 26 May 2012 - 03:12 PM
#48
Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:00 AM
submix8c, on 26 May 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
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File : RK98BOOK.CHM
Path : %programfiles%\microsoft visual studio\msdn\2001apr\1033
MD5 : e1ccf4df50490415b1d3f724f7fb1f6d - (3223224 Bytes)
RK98BOOK.CHM on the Book CD and from the TechNet server: 3,255,721 bytes, modification date: 30-Apr-1998, MD5: F456ECDE435F6324C8FF69D3630FB508
RK98BOOK.CHM from the MSDN Library October 2001 CD: 3,223,414 bytes, modification date: 28-Aug-2001, MD5: 67BC6DCFA957BAC9564569E53FA19E97
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Multibooter, on 24 May 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:
- RK98BOOK.CHM, 3,255,721 bytes of 30-Apr-1998 (on the WIn98FE CD, on the Win98SE CDs and on the book CD of the book)
- rk98book.chm, 3,223,414 bytes of 28-Aug-2001, together with another file rk98book.chi (24,732 bytes), on the MSDN Library October 2001 CD
Both versions have an identical content, both versions are missing the 88-page index of the printed book. The version on the MSDN Library October 2001 CD, however, is preferrable, it contains 2 extra tabs (Index and Favorites), and several additional buttons. The Locate buttons displays in which chapter you are and the Print button has a better selection of what to print.
This post has been edited by Multibooter: 27 May 2012 - 11:06 AM
#49
Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:07 PM
I checked 2 of these corrections (for p.599, p.626) against the latest version of RK98BOOK.CHM (on the MSDN Library October 2001 CD), the errors were not corrected in the latest version of RK98BOOK.CHM.
MS apparently did not update the content of RK98BOOK.CHM, only improved the handling in the MSDN version. I couldn't find the corresponding page numbers in the .chm file, so this kb188307 is of use only when used together with the printed book.
I cannot print this article kb188307 properly, the only easy way to have a hard-copy of it may be to copy and paste the text from the browser window into another application. Any better suggestions?
This post has been edited by Multibooter: 27 May 2012 - 01:14 PM
#50
Posted 27 May 2012 - 01:50 PM
I only copied the key parts and it could still be cleaned up a LOT, MS web pages are notoriously inefficient and have been for 15 years, it was probably done with Word, but that should do for now.
Cheers and Regards
This post has been edited by bphlpt: 27 May 2012 - 01:54 PM
#51
Posted 27 May 2012 - 03:25 PM
bphlpt, on 26 May 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:
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The missing files are those where the corresponding entry has also been deleted from RESKIT.INF.
The main improvement of the TechNet version of the apps vs the Book CD version is probably:
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I would speculate that the newer version of WIN98TMC.DLL is a bugfix for the problem mentioned here: http://www.annoyance...n98/t1030677085
Here a good link about the Tools Management Console (TMC): http://www.helpwithw.../start-146.html
The most comprehensive, updated unofficial compilation of the Win98 Resource Kit CD could be the Book CD version, with WIN98TMC.DLL from the TechNet server and RKWIN98.CHM + RKWIN98.CHI from the MSDN October 2001 CD. But first it would have to be cleared up why so much stuff was removed from the TechNet server version, maybe that stuff works under Win98FE but not under Win98SE. Could it be that the TechNet server version of the Resource Kit was intended for Win98SE, so that there are 2 different Windows 98 Resource Kits, one for Win98FE, the other for Win98SE? Are there any beta versions of the Win98 Resource Kit (apps + .chm), e.g. on TechNet CDs?
The following lines are in RESKIT.INF on the Book CD, but NOT in RESKIT.INF of the TechNet server version:
"filewise.exe"= 1, DIAGNOSE\filewise.exe,,,COPY,1998-04-15,,,,,,,,,SHARED,825917,SYSTEM,,,,
"tmctkpad.dll"= 1, TMC\tmctkpad.dll,,,COPY,1998-04-11,,,,,,,,,SHARED,27648,SYSTEM,,,,
"console.gif"= 1, TMC\console.gif,,,COPY,1997-09-08,,,,,,,,,SHARED,1028,SYSTEM,,,,
"service.gif"= 1, TMC\service.gif,,,COPY,1997-09-08,,,,,,,,,SHARED,1131,SYSTEM,,,,
"html.gif"= 1, TMC\html.gif,,,COPY,1997-09-08,,,,,,,,,SHARED,1081,SYSTEM,,,,
"help.gif"= 1, TMC\help.gif,,,COPY,1997-09-08,,,,,,,,,SHARED,1126,SYSTEM,,,,
"gui.gif"= 1, TMC\gui.gif,,,COPY,1997-09-08,,,,,,,,,SHARED,1082,SYSTEM,,,,
"document.gif"= 1, TMC\document.gif,,,COPY,1997-09-08,,,,,,,,,SHARED,1149,SYSTEM,,,,
"pc32.gif"= 1, TMC\pc32.gif,,,COPY,1997-06-03,,,,,,,,,SHARED,294,SYSTEM,,,,
"NTdisk.gif"= 1, TMC\NTdisk.gif,,,COPY,1997-06-03,,,,,,,,,SHARED,4591,SYSTEM,,,,
"NTtile.gif"= 1, TMC\NTtile.gif,,,COPY,1997-03-13,,,,,,,,,SHARED,3733,SYSTEM,,,,
"HELPBOOK.GIF"= 1, TMC\HELPBOOK.GIF,,,COPY,1998-01-07,,,,,,,,,SHARED,156,SYSTEM,,,,
"access.htm"= 1, TMC\access.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,2404,SYSTEM,,,,
"config.htm"= 1, TMC\config.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,10952,SYSTEM,,,,
"deploy.htm"= 1, TMC\deploy.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,9178,SYSTEM,,,,
"desktop.htm"= 1, TMC\desktop.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,14678,SYSTEM,,,,
"dxtshoot.htm"= 1, TMC\dxtshoot.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,20297,SYSTEM,,,,
"filetool.htm"= 1, TMC\filetool.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,24351,SYSTEM,,,,
"netadmin.htm"= 1, TMC\netadmin.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,11968,SYSTEM,,,,
"perform.htm"= 1, TMC\perform.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,2385,SYSTEM,,,,
"powertoy.htm"= 1, TMC\powertoy.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,3561,SYSTEM,,,,
"regtool.htm"= 1, TMC\regtool.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,6640,SYSTEM,,,,
"scriptol.htm"= 1, TMC\scriptol.htm,,,COPY,1998-04-30,,,,,,,,,SHARED,17468,SYSTEM,,,,
This post has been edited by Multibooter: 27 May 2012 - 04:54 PM
#52
Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:27 AM
bphlpt, on 26 May 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:
Windows 98/SE/ME - last working Filezilla 2.2.22 - http://sourceforge.n...Zilla%202.2.22/
Thanks for the link. If have downloaded, like you did, 2382 files in 91 folders, from ftp://ftp.microsoft....s/win98/Reskit/ with FileZilla v3.5.3 under WinXP, very smooth, no issues, except for the folder dates mention below under 3)
When I tried to download the same site with Portable FileZilla v2.2.22 under WinSE, several issues were encountered:
1) 2 files (and their 2 folders) were not downloaded from the ftp site, without a message, or at least I didn't see the message, that I had an incomplete download
2) 1 file was downloaded incomplete, only 11MB out of 31MB, maybe because of timeout, but again no easily seen message
3) the folder dates were that of the download date, not the date on the server (same issue with v3.5.3 under WinXP)
4) because v2.2.22 has a central concept "the queue", instead of the download/upload, there is a little learning curve. For example, to download the 2382 files in 162MB, you had to right-click on "Reskit" -> Download 4 times, and wait a minute or two in between, until the queue fills up with entries, and until the download actually started. I initially had thought that FileZilla somehow wouldn't download at all.
5) then first attempt to download with FileZilla v2.2.22 under Win98SE produced 2380 files in 140MB, 2 files missing. 1 file truncated/incorrect, 2 folders missing. Subsequent download attempts obtained much less, may be 80MB. I had the same experience wwhen downloading with Flashget v1.72 under both Win98 and WinXP, that the first download attempt got a lot of files, subsequent download attempts much less. Maybe the MS server somehow blacklists or bumps off subsequent downloads after too many errors.
I am currently making my last attempt to download the MS FTP site ftp://ftp.microsoft....s/win98/Reskit/ under Win98SE with Beyond Compare v2.5.3, which has an FTP capability, is more or less recent (14-Jul-2008) and can compare/copy,etc an FTP site and the local HDD or another FTP site. Unfortunately, Beyond Compare is very slow under FTP, only 1 thread is possible and I have set the timeout to 20 minutes for each file, so basically it's an overnight job with this unruly MS site.
The MS FTP site ftp://ftp.microsoft....s/win98/Reskit/ can serve as a test case of FTP software under WIn98SE. I suspect that there exists no FTP software under Win98SE which can transfer correctly twice in a row this FTP site. Please try this test with your FTP software! Maybe a software can be found which can download properly under Win98SE. MS may have made their FTP server software incompatible with FTP client software run under Win98 (Unicode?).
This post has been edited by Multibooter: 28 May 2012 - 12:30 AM
#53
Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:48 AM
Multibooter, on 28 May 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:
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3) the folder dates were that of the download date, not the date on the server (same issue with v3.5.3 under WinXP)
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This should not be a problem. There is an option for this, along the top menu bar click "Transfer" "Preserve timestamps of transferred files". Why this is not enabled as default I don't know.
Cheers and Regards
#54
Posted 28 May 2012 - 03:38 AM
Not too sure what your problem is multibooter.
#55
Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:17 AM
bphlpt, on 28 May 2012 - 01:48 AM, said:
Multibooter, on 28 May 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:
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3) the folder dates were that of the download date, not the date on the server (same issue with v3.5.3 under WinXP)
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This should not be a problem. There is an option for this, along the top menu bar click "Transfer" "Preserve timestamps of transferred files". Why this is not enabled as default I don't know.
#56
Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:35 AM
loblo, on 28 May 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:
Not too sure what your problem is multibooter.
@loblo: Did you repeat the download, e.g. within 30 minutes? Want struck me was that the 1st download attempt went nearly Ok, subsequent download attempts immediately after the 1st download produced miserable results.
BTW, Beyond Compare v2.5.3 under Win98SE has been working on the download for over 12 hours and is currently about 2/3s finished. I have a cable modem connection. I had changed the time-out setting to 20 minutes, Beyond Compare apparently does not resume partial downloads and does not support parallel download threads. I have received the following messages by Beyond Compare up to now:
Error copying AUTO2.IW: Read Timeout
Error copying PROGRAM.Z: Read Timeout
Error copying TUTORIAL.Z: Read Timeout
Error copying NSPLAY.EXE: Read Timeout
Error copying DRREN100.ASF: Read Timeout
Error copying DRREN1MB.ASF: Read Timeout
Error copying DIRE288.ASF: Socket Error # 10054
Connection reset by peer.
Error copying AFRICAT1_96K44100S.ASF: Read Timeout
Error copying STEM288.ASF: Read Timeout
Error copying LOV1248.ASF: Read Timeout
Error copying GETSTART.GIF: Read Timeout
Error copying NETS0045.HTM: Read Timeout
Error copying NETS0167.HTM: Read Timeout
Error copying NETS0589.HTM: Read Timeout
Error copying NETS0590.HTM: Read Timeout
Error copying NM20RK.EXE: Read Timeout
Error copying MSVBVM50.DL_: Read Timeout
This post has been edited by Multibooter: 28 May 2012 - 10:06 AM
#57
Posted 28 May 2012 - 09:39 AM
Loblo has no problem with FileZilla (which I have NEVER used)...
I have no problem with V1.73 (NOT v1.72) of FlashGet (which you apparently refuse to use). And it DOES NOT use ANY of the FTP software from the OS... IT USES IT'S OWN CODE!!!
How about I attach a complete list of folder/file/date/size and you just get what's missing? Why are you making this such a chore???
edit - attaching a zipped list - last 2 columns are MD5 / SHA-1
Attached File(s)
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Reskit_Index.zip (127.29K)
Number of downloads: 4
This post has been edited by submix8c: 28 May 2012 - 10:20 AM
#58
Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:24 AM
submix8c, on 28 May 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:
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#59
Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:30 AM
FYI - didn't I suggest FlashGot Add-On? That's what I use in FireFox. Works fine...
And point of interest - the v1.72 is the same as v1.73 except without "bugfixes" (probably what you'd been encountering). The v1.8x and up is where "radical changes" happened.
edit - The Add-Ons could care less about the Version, as long as they can "hook" the FlashGet program(s) - the FOLDER name and FILE names remain the same. You DID notice that the FlashGet program initiates, right? IOW, I had "upgraded" from v1.72 to v1.73 painlessly.
This post has been edited by submix8c: 28 May 2012 - 10:35 AM
#60
Posted 28 May 2012 - 10:58 AM
submix8c, on 28 May 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:
Thanks for the upload.
Am I right too assume that you made that listing under WinXP? The folder and file dates have as year 4 digits, e.g. :
CDSETUP.EXE EXE 1,833,984 6/8/1998 00:00
while under Win98 the years are usually displayed as 2 digits only? Did you make the successful download with Flashget v1.73 under WinXP or under Win98SE?
The hours and minutes on your listing are 00:00, but that's not that important. Thanks again.
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For Firefox I am using FlashGOt v1.2.2, I never got around to update, and when the FlashGot window comes up, I have the choice to download with Flashget or FlashGot. Flashget saves files and folders with server dates, Flashget doesn't, so I am using most of the time Flashget via FlashGot in Firefox.
Eventually I will test whether the ancient "Opera Plug-In for FlashGet v1.1" [=click-catcher] would work with FlashGet v1.73, Firefox via FlashGot and Opera, under Win98SE and WinXP. This plug-in is a really nice little tool and is a major reason why I still use Flashget. It can be downloaded from the web archive at http://web.archive.o....com/npfg11.exe but again, is a headache to install properly. Here some info: http://web.archive.o.../en/browser.htm
This post has been edited by Multibooter: 28 May 2012 - 12:37 PM



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