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It has been 7 years since Win98 was released

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It's like being in High School again ...

... and the battle between MAC vs. PC

For those pompous, annoying and arrogant about their WinXP setup ... what's up with that? Is this some kind of self-esteem issue? Does it make you feel better than everyone else?

Personally I will stick with Win98SE for the rest of my life ... maybe even longer.

When I die, and St. Peter checks me in at the Pearly Gates, and wants to know what computer I want to use for eternity ... I"ll say "Load up the Win98SE please". Then he'll joke telling me that GOD uses the same thing. Of course, Satan uses Longhorn, but that's just obvious.

XP is ike cars, it depreciates after you drive it off the lot. My old 1989 chevy gets more reactions from people than another friend's 2004 Toyota RAV4. Is the RAV4 faster? More Stable? Sure, the GUI is better ... but we get the same gas mileage and quite frankly ... the real truth is ... they both take us where we want to go.

It's not my job to support MS and always buy the latest release. And since I also don't own stock in Dell, Gateway, or IBM, I also don't have the newest computer.

Running XP on my computer (800 MHz) would be .... painfully, agonizing, and rediculously slow. How do I know? I installed XP for a friend on their computer. It was painful to set up and wait. And their computer was FASTER than mine, yet XP was still slow (celeron processor and only 192MB RAM probably). I had them get Win98SE from ebay and it moves much faster now. They are now selling their XP on ebay.

As for those that can rattle off ALL the wonderful things about XP ... good for you. I'm sure that self-esteem is improving. I hope you are happy with the life you have chosen.


A line that I remembered from the mini-series "V" said by Donovan that I'll change here:

"Dont ever make me choose between your XP and my 98SE ... because you'll lose every time."


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I have 2 PCs with, one (900 MHz Athlon) with 98 and the other (1500 MHz Centrino) with XP, I think XP has very useful functions for mobile Computers, such as included W-LAN support for researching Access Points or Power Management support.

But I don't need these functions on an old Athlon, there I want to see TV and 9x/Me and NT are the only OSes who support Overlay, I know that XP runs flowingly on my Athlon, I had installed it on a second HD but I can only see a 768x578 pixel TV and that is MUCH fuzzier than that on 98, because the WDM driver is bader than the VFW.

Windows 98 starts up in seconds and shows you a clean desktop, it is MUCH sleeker than XP, not preloaded with all that sucking things like Movie Maker, sure you can use nLite, but I need a system which I can install everything which is compatible, I had trouble to install SonicStage on my brothers notebook, because we did a very lightweight XP.

I plan to upgrade my hardware, but I will surely stay on 98.

By the way: 98 means 98 SE with SP2.0 just for records.

I ask the threadopener and everyone who agree him, what do you want 98 to do, which you can do on XP?

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:hello: alot of the function on xp like moviemaker etc etc i never use sure its nice to have a contol panel full of wireless etc function but 98se does everything joe home user neeeds it 2 the only draw back might be that ie 7 probably wont be alavable for 98se and if msn 7 requires ie 6sp2 i imagine msn 8.0 the messenger probably wont run on 98se but who knows patches fixes are the stuff of forums .
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And who uses IE?

I use MSN Messenger on my XP box.

Agreed, one XP PC for some things is not bad, but why upgrading where you don't need.

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I ask the threadopener and everyone who agree him, what do you want 98 to do, which you can do on XP?

I don't want it to do anything... if you want to know what XP does that Windows 98 does not... read all 43 pages of the thread :) I have explained it many, many times.

And who uses IE?

I do... why? Because for one, IE auto authenticates using windows logon information. No other browser does. Also, surely you have seen the news lately with all the vulnerabilites in FF and all of the patches.



For all of you Windows 98 lovers:
stay with Windows 98... I could care less. I just don't want to hear you complain 2 years from now "xyz program won't isntall on Windows 98... boo hoo hoo"
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?

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For all of you Windows 98 lovers:
stay with Windows 98... I could care less. I just don't want to hear you complain 2 years from now "xyz program won't isntall on Windows 98... boo hoo hoo"


Why wait 2 years? Just look here.

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yeah... just what I needed...
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?

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stay with Windows 98... I could care less. I just don't want to hear you complain 2 years from now "xyz program won't isntall on Windows 98... boo hoo hoo"

On the other side of the coin, I have software and hardware that works fine on 98, but XP SP2 is incompatible with it right now.

Just the other day I tried to use my multi-megabyte HOSTS file from 98 SE on my XP system, but I had to remove it after it brought XP to its knees.

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The only software I couldn't install was brennig's image viewer. But now Brennig's is payware so I don't care and don't use it

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I ask the threadopener and everyone who agree him, what do you want 98 to do, which you can do on XP?

I don't want it to do anything... if you want to know what XP does that Windows 98 does not... read all 43 pages of the thread :) I have explained it many, many times.

Ok I find any time, I'll do.

And who uses IE?

I do... why? Because for one, IE auto authenticates using windows logon information. No other browser does. Also, surely you have seen the news lately with all the vulnerabilites in FF and all of the patches.


Yes but in FF you mustn't wait 'till the next Patchday for an update. But don't tell me about FF vulnerabilites, IE has and had A LOT more.

Ok giving away a safe system for some convienience, like you want, I don't care.

For all of you Windows 98 lovers:
stay with Windows 98...  I could care less.  I just don't want to hear you complain 2 years from now "xyz program won't isntall on Windows 98...  boo hoo hoo"

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Ok thank you, that's what I wanted to hear... lets see what happens in two years, perhaps I'll buy a PowerMac and get rid of these troubles with M$ Versioning Problems.

By the way, I use only 98 on my primary PC, because XP doesn't work well with my Hauppauge card.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't see Page 44, so I didn't need all the quotes.

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this is just sad and depressing :(
this is supposed to be a Windows 95/98/98SE/ME support forum (i think), yet all the time people pop up with threads that degenerate to "Upgrade to XP...loser" etc, people come here because they can't or don't want to, it's that simple. it's not like the majority don't know it (XP) exists.

there are plenty of reasons for still using the 9X core on some machines, i've seen people tell others to install XP on machines which are way below the minimum specs for the OS (even a 486 once) which i can only call at best foolish and on the other hand its also foolish to expect a 9X system to support the very latest hardware and programs written for NT5 (XP).

we still have DX9c, we still have .net, we still have 32bit PE files and we have an OS that's compatible with programs (and to a certain extent hardware) going back to the dawn of creation (as far as PC's are concerned) you (XP users) have a bit more (and in some ways because of the move to a full 32 bit OS in terms of reverse compatibility a bit less), well honestly that's all to be expected and there's not much point in picking at it.

this kinda discussion here is getting really old fast (for me anyway), the mods here should start a "which OS is best" forum for the eejits that like to indulge in it, then at least we could throw Linux and MacOS into the pot and have a better quality and more interesting discussion. i personally think the reply "just install XP" and suchlike should be banned from this particular forum because its really not what the forum is here for (imo).

The majority of the World does not live in the opulent "throw it away and buy the latest" society the North Americans (as an example) enjoy, as time goes no more and more people will come onto the net from the poorer places of the world, they will not be running XP and i'm dam sure they won't be running Longhorn, some will have free Linux, others older win OS's these people are the majority of the World they haven't even got a PC yet, when they do for the first time it'll probably be one that is "second hand". places like this will be god sends to them as they take there first steps. sound like sh*t ? well you might think so, but look around the forums, there are people from emerging economys like Brazil (also i notice India) and former Easten Block countrys, 15-20 years ago the idea that these people would have PC's would have been a dream and nothing more. most people will not download warez copys of OS's and will try to work with what they have or can afford, a 12 year old kid in Tanzania who's Dad has hauled a*s to get him a 486 & an external modem running win 3.11 might very well like to know he can install IE5, he might like even more if he had win 98 and stumbled upon this place or Gape's site or MDGx's, he will not be concerned about running office2003, imo he'll be more concered with what he can learn and who he can "talk" to. (talk of 486's may seem anachic but its just an example and imo you should not even be thinking about XP till your up to chip generations in line with the likes of a PIII + plenty of memory)

the net has a purpose and it's not that people can have stupid arguments on it (believe it or not), we're here, we have windows 95/98/98SE/ME, according to the forum heading we're in the right place (and it's quite cosy here), please just let us be.

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On the other side of the coin, I have software and hardware that works fine on 98, but XP SP2 is incompatible with it right now..

so... as I have said a million times, stay with it. You are really missing the point of the thread. It was never about "XP is better" it was "why do you still use 98?" You started out with lies, I simply corrected your misconceptions...

Yes but in FF you mustn't wait 'till the next Patchday for an update. But don't tell me about FF vulnerabilites, IE has and had A LOT more.

Um... Yeah. It has been out for years and years and years... FF is the new baby.

Ok thank you, that's what I wanted to hear... lets see what happens in two years, perhaps I'll buy a PowerMac and get rid of these troubles with M$ Versioning Problems.

Read the whole thread. I have said it many many times... If you think going to a PowerMac will fix your problems then go for it... All of you Windows 98 lovers say "XP has too much eyecandy..." well, You will LOVE OS X Tiger then... :)

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You pop in, read the first post and then the last page and you act like you have this thread pegged... Go back and read the whole post or don't participate.
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?

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:thumbup i total agree with miko .people reading this are in 98se/forum why?to get tips tweaks info on how they can better their 9x os and theres alot of great programs comming out of these forums .i myself have downloaded many and the fact that there are people spending alot of their time to make the 9x users improve their os is outstanding .i even put miko logos on every 9x installion i do even my moms pc a small thing but to people who see it instead of standard 98se bootup logo want it on their pc .and its a bigger deal when u install sp2.0 etc like their pc got upgraded large,most folks the home user not power user dont know that these little proggies exist so this forum is like a 9x goldmine to them.as far as xp goes yes its grand im sure if it was free and could run on any pc 99% of peeps would use it but to buy a pc from store come home turn it on be dazzled by xps interface of course its cool 1000 dollars later.the great thing about 9x is it so customable i sure its taught more people things about the inners of oses just ask mdgx gapes but in closing i say if i was comming into this forum for the first time to find out how to fix or improve my 9x os the last thing i need is folk telling me 98se sucks get with the times theres no support etc etc like its a help forum and its helped you im sure ...thxz have a super day ...
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to quote myself AGAIN...

You pop in, read the first post and then the last page and you act like you have this thread pegged... Go back and read the whole post or don't participate.


What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?

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@miko:
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You pop in, read the first post and then the last page and you act like you have this thread pegged...  Go back and read the whole post or don't participate.

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ok, almost right, i got that, the "Super Moderator" bit, and i did read more than first and last, it's fair that my post wasn't a response to your first but instead was a response to some of those since, this forum here has been greeted with joy by many a win 98/SE user who has found it, but as an example, one user who was told three posts in a row to "just install XP" then said "somehow I dont feel so welcome in this forum any more." it's posioning a very good thing/idea (a windows 95/98/98SE/ME support forum) i will now go and read the whole thread from top to bottom, sir.

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Read the whole thread. I have said it many many times... If you think going to a PowerMac will fix your problems then go for it... All of you Windows 98 lovers say "XP has too much eyecandy..." well, You will LOVE OS X Tiger then... smile.gif

BTW. the eyecandy of XP is not bad, but fortunately you can change it - alltrough only after patching - to your taste, on my XP-Box I have OS X theme.

To all Mods: PLEASE close this thread, it is so senseless... and only a flood.

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OK...  It has been 7 years since Windows 98 was released (98SE in 99, so that's 6 years).  I can't believe there are still so many people who run it.  Why?  What is your reason for running it?  I switched to XP almost instantly.  I work in corporate environments so it's important for me to work with the newest and best.  IMO Windows XP is more stable, faster and just all around a better OS.  So, to help me understand please answer the following questions...

  • Why I still use Windows 98/98SE over Windows XP
  • My system specs
  • Have you ever tried Windows XP or do you just hate it so much you won't?
Just curious to know why, that's all.

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  • compatiblity with DOS, some other programs and older compile environments mostly (i'm heavily involved in emulation) that and it costs too much (home edition with SP2 296 USD i even converted it for you from GBP) i have other better things to spend money on than constantly upgrading stuff i don't need to (example - my sony TV is 27 years old) but your tech support, your bred to think a different way. i don't need files larger than 2 gig (i don't pirate dvds) i've never seen a corrupted file, ever (i don't overclock either) i play the odd game, i surf the net, i read my net based e-mail (btw for any others reading, 98SE can be installed without outlook express, easily, just use 98lite to extract the cab files and it 'corrects' the installer) i do these things one at a time, so generally don't need the enhanced muti-tasking ablity of XP. i have a firewall and dial-up and that does me personally, so security isn't a big issue either, i don't fileshare or haunt IRC so viruses are also someone elses problem, i've only ever seen one. the programs i do use, i don't need to replace nor do i want to (again the money thing) sometimes i fiddle with it when i have nothing better to do, a bad habit i picked up from my old Amiga/ST days. my icons are all self converted or altered from the XP ones and the colour scheme is also updated, i also wrote a new webview, so it looks up to date. as i know my stuff inside out i've only had 2 crashes in the last 12 months (i had to check my faultlog.txt for this), i know a bit about it cause i used to provided support for my brothers and moms PCs. there are 7 of us and i'm the oldest so i kinda fell to me (they all had their own PCs while living in the family home) so i guess maybe there's a sentimental attachment, all the other stuff mentioned in the thread as an advantage is largely irrelevant to me. i think i would maybe upgrade to win 2000, if i could find a cheap copy now it's older, but unfortunately it's dearer than XP.

  • my system specs -
    an old faithful 200 Mhz laptop.
    old system 900 Mhz Celeron, Intel 815, 512MB mem
    new system (in the post) Sempron 3000+, Asus nForce 2, 512MB mem (this new 'core' cost less than XP)
    PS. the above system was bought with 98SE and MAME in mind, and was only bought at all because my old system bust a very short while ago because a fan failed on the graphics card and that then damaged the AGP interface.

  • i have a 2 gig all Intel XP PC sitting in the corner, it's always on, is hardwired into MS UK through a dedicated connection, can't go anywhere else, it's remote administered from somewhere and sometimes i go to use it and it has all new stuff on from the last time, it has Office on it and is mainly used for video conferencing, needless to say it's my work PC so thats all i use it for, it doen't even belong to me, occasionally the printer bursts into life with stuff for me to do, i actually don't use it that much. i'm a people person :P

    my brother and mum, both use XP, moms is a stable Dell and is just used for e-mail and writing, my brother that still stays at home built his own, plays online games and it crashes all the time (go figure) one of the few things i don't like about XP is it doesn't really seem to tell you why. i have spent time on both machines and installed XP and SP2 on my brothers for him.
i've read through the thread, best post was by jaclaz, some of the 9X zealots get into it to much, but we need a few people like that around to keep a 9X support forum a healthy knowledge base, much the same as any other forum you need those that are heavily "into it". some good explantaions of the pros and cons of XP are attempted, but after reading through it occurred to me that most 9X users dual boot with XP, and after reading some if not all of your posts i reached this conclusion - it's not us that hate XP, it's you that hates 9X.

as you said yourself a few times, I don't care (which was odd for the thread starter). i don't need XP, i work with what i have, i have very specific personal reasons for doing that, as by the time Blackcomb hits and you all start looking backwards i'll have retired with several blocks of flats bought and paid for, supplying me with an income in excess of that which i make now, i'll be 40ish then and technically a millionare, at least that's the plan. right now i'm off to watch the rest of the Dambusters on TV...

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@miko: your post is exactly what I was looking for... it's the "because XP can't do this..." posts that caused this thread to flare up. I am content with truthful answers, not misconceptions and lies.
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?

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Ok, so I don't install Windows XP on my 900 MHz Athlon because my TV-Card works not good with it, black borders, less crisp pictures etc.

That's the main point.

You can tell me, that this could be fixed, but XP also don't start as speedy as xp.

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You can tell me, that this could be fixed, but XP also don't start as speedy as xp.

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XP also don't start as speedy as xp??????????????

What does that mean. :wacko:

Please GOD let this thread die. I am so feed up with the XP/98 p***ing contest. :}

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Sorry, XP as speedy as 98, I mean.

Please GOD let this thread die. I am so feed up with the XP/98 p***ing contest. confused.gif

I would apreciate that.

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Sorry, XP as speedy as 98, I mean.

Please GOD let this thread die. I am so feed up with the XP/98 p***ing contest. confused.gif

I would apreciate that.

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Boy are you in the dark on this one...
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?

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OK, I'm gonna close this one out...

But, I like to get in the last word, so I am gonna do just that. :)

This thread was never 98 vs. XP If you were one of the few to actually read the whole thread you will see my only problem with the things that were being said is that they were lies and misconceptions.

If you are content with Windows 98 then by all means keep using it. If it does everything you need it to then that's great. I do, for your sake, hope that you spend some time getting to know XP or Linux because Windows 98 can't go on forever. It will join Windows 95 and Windows 3 as well. One day Windows XP will find it's self in the OS graveyard as well.

Do you think manufacturers are going to continue to make their software compatable with Windows 98? What will you do when your favorite program goes away? I like to be on the forefront of technology. I own the newest of everything I can get my hands on. I dread the day my daughters are able to show me something that I didn't know.

For those of you who say "I'm not going to make computers my career..." I have news for you. It's everyone's career. I won't hire someone who can't type and doesn't have basic knowledge of the systems they are required to use every day.

I wish all of you Windows 98 users the best of luck. Enjoy it while it lasts...
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?




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