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It has been 7 years since Win98 was released

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i run a dual boot of xp and 98
xp as main os but 98 for other stuff.
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Why I still use Windows 98/98SE over Windows XP

- XP is slower than W98SE. Thought the opinions differ on this, I made a test on both fresh default installs: replace with Word 100,000 characters by another: XP slower 30%...
Also the way all the stuffs displays and open, even after choosing the "fastest" setings, it seems to lag more than on w98.
(One vendor even told me that XP start to be interesting from 2000 GHz, you don't feel it's slower)

Of course poeple say, hey this XP OS is realy fast! It's because it come with a new computer... :)

- I hate the "What do you want to do (with this CD)? : Open in WMP, Connect to the internet, print the photos, take no action (and other realy stupid options)" box for which I always answer by "take no action".

- I don't like the way "my document" folder is dug in under 27 layers of subfolders. I like "my document being in "C:".

- XP or NT may be great for multi-users, especialy with non reliable users. But for my whife and me it's completely useless.

- I don't like losing 2Gb (2.5 Gb for XP vs 0.5 Gb for 98) just for the XP logo. Of course, you will say that with a set of two 120 Gb drives it's not an issue anymore...
I don't think so

- A software as large as 2.5 Gb after install must have a serious conception problem...

- XP is a real open door for hackers, viruses and spywares as far as I have read. It's only recently that M$ released some fix about that...

- I'm realy lucky that my new video card driver was not compatible with XP. If yes I may have stayed with XP like all the n00bs.

- On another computer (that had drivers adapted to XP) we had realy huge problem to install the good drivers because XP always installed its own drivers by default even after we inserted the manufacturer CD. In other words, we had to tell XP not to install bad drivers!

-After all the freewares I installed on W98, I have all the tweaks and functionalities that I can dream of and most of them not available in XP.

- XP require minimum 128 Mb, thought 256 Mb is recommanded. That means we lose how much in free memory? W98 min is 32Mb AFAIK.

My system specs

P4 1800Ghz
ASUS V8200 deluxe
512 DDR
120 Mb + 40 Mb hard drives
W98SE , MS office XP, about 100 other softwares installed.


Have you ever tried Windows XP or do you just hate it so much you won't?

My whife has a laptop with XP and I'v been many times on various XP machines.

I don't see any tremendous advantages over W98.

-It's more stable but saying "XP never crashes" is wrong. I'v witnessed a BSOD on a fresh install right back from the computer shop... :thumbup
After all W98 is not as unstable as some poeple used to say.

It's of course very easy to make a so-called stable OS when the minimum spec. must include 256 Mb of memory.

I can return the question: Have you tested W98 on a modern computer (eg 2.4GHz, 512 DDR etc)? If not you should.

-Defrag is faster. I don't think it's that important.
I have even read that with today fast HD, you can live without ever defragmenting.

-Cool skin. Well esthetic is important. But all XP I'v seen look the same.

-XP is a gigantic media player that plays everything. That's also a rumor but it's true it's a gigantic media player.

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I don't disagree with what you've said at all: Fredledingue

Basic problem's they wanted to be all things to all systems: made XP compatible right off the bat with "unadvanced systems"-- you can run it, according to specs, on any processor 266mhz, 64 mb ram-- well, those old P1/2/3 systems did not support dma, etc., etc. So right off the bat one has to go in an enable stuff like that, tweak pagefile / internet registry settings, etc.; and a lot of the dialogs & addons are really made for noobs like you say-- take the inferior firewall-- they'd've been better off adding stuff to IE/OE like a popup blocker, spyguard, spamblocker, etc.
But the brutes who designed it, also wanted it to work in a heavy corporate environment for experienced users-- and tons of services like file indexing, fast user switching, restore, etc. weigh it down so much--

I use the nLite & the AutoPatcher to auto-fix/tweak/trim.... remove ½ a GB of stuff...

XP is a perfect example of why open source is so useful-- this OS should give the install option to create multiple partitions & lay itself out in better fashion(for faster performance & less data loss in case of problems), AND the option to double-boot itself with another lighter/minimized NT version(that allows web access to help obtain fixes)...the Recovery Console-- needs more diagnostic utilities like a partition mgr/creator, deleted file recovery, etc., etc...... A simple backup service that periodically mirrored a few key things like mail, data, documents would be so much more useful than the bloated system restore that can still lose all one's data...

And on, and on....... :yes:

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Yes...

M$ had better keep on improving W98. Instead they did ME which was worse (according to many of those who tried it) and XP which is an improvement of W2000.

The proof is that 7 years later, there are poeple, unsatisfied with the new M$ products who strive to improve W98.

But Bill Gate wanted to inaugurate the age when computers of tomorrow don't look like the computers we know today. A computer were one doesn't have to open files, make settings or install an hardware driver.

The result is not only a hyper bloated software, but also more complicated and counter-effective in respect to the concept of the switch-and-go PC that they wanted to do.

XP is also the perfect example of doing worse while wanting to do better.
On W98 we have the goo' ol' "Find Files" utility with 2 boxes and one folder tree. That's what I call easy.
Now with XP the "Find File" was replaced by 5 or 6 internet-lookin links, a maximized empty folder pane, 2 boxes and a dog.

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:lol: True.

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:P and a dog ,just what is that dog reading war and peace lol.yes xp is prettier i agree its slower maybe in a corporate world its superior 4 networking and such but in a average day 2 day home pc i think people want ease and 98se is ez and with all the patches tweaks sp etc all the things that use 2 make 98se a crash specialist are long gone your right .Me was a rush job all the advances in xp can and are being put into 98se now anyway so i guess we all win but the only issue i see is the nt built programs not compatable on the 9x kerel i smell a conspiracy .

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Unfortunately, win 9x, nt, 2k(but not 2k3) will be as obsolete as Dos when Longhorn becomes mainstream.... though maybe that will get delayed a few years, depending on stability / missed deadlines...

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I hate the "What do you want to do (with this CD)? : Open in WMP, Connect to the internet, print the photos, take no action (and other realy stupid options)" box for which I always answer by "take no action".

Bill Gates' idea was to create a system that was user friendly from the moment you plug it in. You can turn this off, you know that right?

I don't like the way "my document" folder is dug in under 27 layers of subfolders. I like "my document being in "C:".


27 layers? c:\documents and settings\username\my documents 1... 2... 3... You can even shorten it by using %USERPROFILE%\My Documents Besides... why not just click the link on your desktop, or in the start menu? Or, just redirect your My Documents. You know, you don't have to keep it there. Right click on My Documents and you can change it's path.

I don't like losing 2Gb (2.5 Gb for XP vs 0.5 Gb for 98) just for the XP logo. Of course, you will say that with a set of two 120 Gb drives it's not an issue anymore...
I don't think so

There is so much more functionality built into Windows XP. I'm sure you will start by saying "Anything that's in Windows XP can be installed on Windows 98..." Yeah? Really? Remote Desktop (the server piece) I'm not even going to take the time to list all of the features that you just can't have in Windows 98.


XP is a real open door for hackers, viruses and spywares as far as I have read. It's only recently that M$ released some fix about that...


Show me proof of this? I think you have it all wrong. Windows 98 is by no means more secure than Windows XP. The truth is that if you know how to secure your computer and your network you won't have this problem with most any OS.

On another computer (that had drivers adapted to XP) we had realy huge problem to install the good drivers because XP always installed its own drivers by default even after we inserted the manufacturer CD. In other words, we had to tell XP not to install bad drivers!

In most cases, Windows XP has drivers that are newer than the drivers you may have on your CDs. You can always use whatever you want, you just install them over top of what's there already.

After all the freewares I installed on W98, I have all the tweaks and functionalities that I can dream of and most of them not available in XP.


Do you realize how ignorant that sounds? You installed 3rd party software (which is freeware, as you said) and you say you have more functionality than XP? Well, yeah... But install those same "freeware" programs on Windows XP and what do you get? Tell me what tweaks and functionalities you have in Windows 98 that I can't have in Windows XP. Bet you can't name one.

XP require minimum 128 Mb, thought 256 Mb is recommanded. That means we lose how much in free memory? W98 min is 32Mb AFAIK.

Windows XP or Windows 98... I have a gig of RAM in my PC. Who cares about minimum requirements...

It's more stable but saying "XP never crashes" is wrong. I'v witnessed a BSOD on a fresh install right back from the computer shop...


Noone ever said that. It certainly does it less than Windows 98 ever did. And, so... you saw a BSOD on a fresh install. Those aren't always because of software... hardware is a major cause of BSODs. I have had Linux crash on me after a fresh install. It happens. Ever taken your car to the shop and on the way home something else breaks? It's not impossible.

Defrag is faster. I don't think it's that important.
I have even read that with today fast HD, you can live without ever defragmenting.


It's still important, but with Windows XP it's less necessary to do it as often.
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[QUOTE]There is so much more functionality built into Windows XP. I'm sure you will start by saying "Anything that's in Windows XP can be installed on Windows 98..." Yeah? Really? Remote Desktop (the server piece) I'm not even going to take the time to list all of the features that you just can't have in Windows 98. :whistle: here a screenshot of remote desktop taken from xppro sp2 working on 98se .you,d be surprize what u can make work on 98se.Posted Image

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I said Remote Desktop Server... not the client. You can install the client on any PC, but you can't connect to Windows 98 using Remote Desktop. Next time, take a second and actually read EXACTLY what I said.
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98 SE is not 7 years old. And 7 years is not very long. XP is already a few years old.

I will probably still be using 98 SE in 2008. I'm not sure about 2018. Perhaps if Gape and Mdgx can put out a nice 982Longhorn.exe :)

Basically, 98 SE does everything I want. I have 3.4 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM, and 300 GB of disk space. This system kicks a**. Also I have an MP3 player that hooks up to it, LCD monitor, color scanner/printer, joysticks, mice, microphone, digital camera, CD burner, etc.. everything works with it. It also has excellent DOS support. I play everything from old DOS games like Moria to bloated Morrowind with hundreds of MB of user mods. I can develop everything from tiny mutlti-kb 16-bit COM files to gigantic C++ apps. And 98 is still supported by Microsoft, not to mention the users here.

Also, I am very used to using 98 - in XP, can you create a ram disk from your autoexec.bat and then mount a drvspace volume on it? I have no idea, but I can do it easily in 98.

My work PC has XP, but it just seems sluggish and bloated and I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. I do not want 100 services running on my CPU. And XP certainly has its share of bugs. I still have to reboot my XP PC a few times a day to deal with problems like locked files and inexplicable slow downs.

Oh yeah, I forgot to say that I absolutely WILL NOT subject myself to communist activation schemes either. I'd rather go to DOS 6.22 than do that.

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98 SE is not 7 years old.

OK, so you want to get technical about that... 6 years (it was 1999) But technically, Windows 98SE is just a "service pack" upgrade in my opinion. Or rather, the final product of an OS that they released too early.

Basically, 98 SE does everything I want. I have 3.4 GHz CPU, 1 GB RAM, and 300 GB of disk space. This system kicks a**. Also I have an MP3 player that hooks up to it, LCD monitor, color scanner/printer, joysticks, mice, microphone, digital camera, CD burner, etc.. everything works with it. It also has excellent DOS support. I play everything from old DOS games like Moria to bloated Morrowind with hundreds of MB of user mods. I can develop everything from tiny mutlti-kb 16-bit COM files to gigantic C++ apps. And 98 is still supported by Microsoft, not to mention the users here.

Windows XP has compatability built in... besides, I would rather run Windows XP with a small DOS 6.22 partition for dual boot rather than run Windows 98(se) just for the simple reason of playing old games.

I still have to reboot my XP PC a few times a day to deal with problems like locked files and inexplicable slow downs.

sounds like you might want to look into hiring a better IT staff... Since I have been working on Windows XP (in large corporate environments) there has been a great deal less errors, complaints and problems. It's all about how it's administered
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A little more on the last thing I spoke of...

I am now director of IT for a small up and comming business. Windows XP combined with Windows 2003 Server has made my job so much easier. Without Windows XP I would not be able to set up the authentication with SharePoint Services... I would not be able to remotely manage and administer all of the systems from the comfort of my own home, I would not be able to allow our software vendors the ease of logging into our systems to fix issues with their software that otherwise might require a timely visit. I run Fax services from every PC in our corporation thanks to the built in fax software in Windows XP that allows me to manage everything from the server. Lets remember, Windows 98 doesn't allow for group policy. Now, I know I speak more on a corporate level than a home user level, but I would not run anything less from my home either. I use the built in VPN services to connect from my home to our network. I love Windows XP. Windows 98(se) is the Geo of the computer world. Sure, it will get you from point A to point B, but Windows XP will get you there quicker and you will enjoy the ride much more.
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:whistle: the geo of os lol good one more like a ford pinto.anyway its not a contest home uses who just surf use email messengers make like simplicity and ease of 98seand powerusers will like xp for networking gaming etc 2 each his home .i like them both,so ill praise them both ,who needs coffee.

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OK, so you want to get technical about that... 6 years (it was 1999)

Dude, it's not even 6 years old yet.

sounds like you might want to look into hiring a better IT staff... I am now director of IT

Wow, you must be good. Can you please answer my above question then:
> in XP, can you create a ram disk from your autoexec.bat and then mount a drvspace volume on it?

Windows XP will get you there quicker

Fredledingue: "XP is slower than W98SE. Thought the opinions differ on this, I made a test on both fresh default installs: replace with Word 100,000 characters by another: XP slower 30%.."

Someone is lying here.

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I'm not that kind of people who like posting, but I got some things to say:

1. If you are a professional user (audio, video, 3D animating) use W2K, in my work we have all our desktops, laptops and workstations running W2K SP4 and is very stable (no hanging, better performance, less headhaches...)

2. If you are a home user, use any microsoft OS you want, don't try to make a home computer do the job of a workstation designed to it (in my home I use XPPRO because my sister and my mom say that is easier yo use than W2K)

3. If you want stability, use Linux with the crossover plugin. I use it in my laptop running RedHat 9 and using crossover plugin with photoshop 7 and it never hang for anyn reason.
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azagahl Posted on Feb 11 2005, 01:26 PM
 

Fredledingue: "XP is slower than W98SE. Thought the opinions differ on this, I made a test on both fresh default installs: replace with Word 100,000 characters by another: XP slower 30%.."

Someone is lying here.

There shouldn't be any debate on that one:

I've been part of extensive database & neural network/AI tests.

For strict write-to-disk functions, the 9x platform handily beats the pants off its NT cousins-- & the ratio difference is not percentage-wise, but multiple times.
(With all possible optimized settings & unnecessary processes disabled, 512mb ram on 9x, 2gb on nt)98 is tops, ME slips behind a notch--- then it's a long way back to Longhorn, which edges out win2k, which edges out winxp.(win23k not tested).

Amd handily beats Intel in this area.

The field levels out when apps are recomplied to load and work in memory as much as possible. Final tests will be performed later this year.

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Wow, you must be good. Can you please answer my above question then:
> in XP, can you create a ram disk from your autoexec.bat and then mount a drvspace volume on it?

Yes, you can create a RAM disk. Why would you use Drivespace? Windows XP has compression built in.

Windows XP will get you there quicker

Fredledingue: "XP is slower than W98SE. Thought the opinions differ on this, I made a test on both fresh default installs: replace with Word 100,000 characters by another: XP slower 30%.."

Someone is lying here.

I had no clue what this man was trying to say because it makes no sense, that's why I didn't touch upon it. It sounds to me like he held down a key and Windows 98 typed faster... If that's the case, change your typerate. When I said Windows XP will get you there faster I meant more than just the shear speed of the PC. I meant the built in features, useability and everything else makes it easier and faster to work with almost anything.
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1. If you are a professional user (audio, video, 3D animating) use W2K, in my work we have all our desktops, laptops and workstations running W2K SP4 and is very stable (no hanging, better performance, less headhaches...)

You are losing out on all of the features XP offers to corporate environments... And Windows XP is still even more stable than Windows 2000

home uses who just surf use email messengers make like simplicity and ease of 98se

This is exactly the target audience for Windows XP. Windows XP certainly offers more simplicity and ease than Windows 98, hands down!

Dude, it's not even 6 years old yet.


2005-1999=6 Before you get on here again why not do some reasearch... and if you have done the research then surely you need to spend a little less time sleeping in your math classes. And, if you aren't in school, maybe you should be.
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OK... sorry about the multiple posts... Windows 98SE was realeased May 5, 1999. So it's 3 months off... whoopee
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:wacko: losing out on xp features u say i wonder how manu average users not powerusers take advantage of xp feature .most people want something easy and simple like u unforgiven .Burn. the average dude just surfs read email watches porn doesnt care if 98se works they use it .are u bill gates cousin/ when longhorn comes out will u tell us how crappy xp is? probably .i dont recomd any one 2 switch 2 98se if theyre happy with xp.i only tell the people who use 98se that theres alot of new packages sp and tweaks that the cost of xp and the shyness to try new os to continue using it.

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So you are assuming because I am speaking of the ease of use of Windows XP that is how I want it? I want it the exact opposite, and I get it in all the advanced features available in Windows XP. But when I speak of those everyone says "Well, not everyone wants that..." and "Windows 98 is just easier to use... more user friendly" So, I explained how it is more userfriendly, and we are back at square one... You Windows 98 guys wanna go in circles. If you want an OS that is easy to use Windows XP is a cut above the rest, even your precious Windows 98. If you want a robust, stable PC then Windows XP takes the cake on that too. Anyone have any valid reasons why someone should choose 98 over XP? Give me proof or sources... Every one of you wants to fight about how 98 is better... I don't think one of you has just said, "I'm not too keene about learning something new and Windows XP intimidates me..." i know that's a good reason for many of you. How about, "I can't afford to purchase my OS and Windows 98 is easy to pirate..." That's a good chunk of you too. How about "Hey, I just like knowing I can reverse engineer this OS, and I just like it." Instead, "I like Windows 98... because it's better." If it was better then Microsoft would have extended it and you would still see them advertising it.
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I have been watching this site for a couple of days now and would like to comment on the use of XP virus Win98se and what is used in the real world.

1. Although most pc come with the OS of XP, this is not realistic. Computers have advanced so much in the last 5 years, where a generation has been forced to use a computer. (I was lucky to learn on DOS 3.0).

2. One of the first things that I learned about computers was that if you put garbage in you get garbage out. As a layperson know what you want to use your computer for.

3. The magority of people that use a computer are office personnell, where training is on the job process. (ex On going to a local health faciility in my town, world renown) I had to explain to a staff member how to get the file back, on a brownout.

4. Long ago, I went back to school on how to use useful software, example: Wordperfect, Lotus, DBase IV. Although my skills are way out of date, I am able to work most programs with not too much difficulty, but could I go into an office now and do the same quickness and presentation presence as before, I dont think so because with each software that you have, you have to tweak.

5. The bottom line is for me, I use Windows 98se to suit my needs, I dont need the fastest, the bestest, the newest, and I do not want to test a product for a company that is not going to be useful, in my life.

6. Most of the comments have come from really intelligent people however there hobby or your career depends on the advancements that come with computers.

7. That is why I dont mind coming to this site, believe me I am not insulting anyone, afterall that is why I come to this site, to learn, however for every 1% of people that want to learn, there is 99% dont have the time, or the want to learn.

8. When I can no longer get the software to fit my needs, then I will be forced to upgrade the same way that I have done all along, however prior to putting in XP into a machine I am going to run, I will know all the pitfallls prior to installation but not until.

9. Most people that purchase a home PC, when you ask them what it was for, is either a fancy typewriter, and to surf the web, play games, this is the reality.


10. Now when I have a problem with my PC or someone else that just doesnt know how, my preference is win98se because lets face it, XP is a minimum of 80,0000 files and win98se is about 30,000. So when getting a virus, spyware downloader, which would I prefer, 80 or 30, u pick.

And those are my thoughts on OS, :rolleyes:

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I agree, stuffie699-- it's not like everyone else is on win9x & one's stubbornly clinging to Dos for doing everything.

Now, 2/3 years into Longhorn release(barring any major problems / re-designs), the speed differences will be so great, that most will naturally migrate to it.....

And it's not like the price differences are insignificant-- when a fairly nice system can be had for not a lot more than the retail price of XP.... Same w/ an lcd monitor-- i'd rather have dual crt's for the same money....

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9. Most people that purchase a home PC, when you ask them what it was for, is either a fancy typewriter, and to surf the web, play games, this is the reality.

I will bet you will find that this is not so much the norm anymore. PCs are becomming a way of life. People use PCs not just to type letters but as reference tools, finances, games, chatting, and a whole sleu of other things. Do you believe it's Windows 98 that recently created the boom in PCs? Sure, it helped... but let's be truthful here... Windows XP has been made so easy that just anyone can use it. PCs are now so cheap and easy to use that everyone has one. I remember my first PC. It was a 486SX 25Mhz. It ran Windows 3.11 and Dos 6.22. It cost me over $5000! Windows 3.11 certainly wasn't very user friendly. Now, I am a manual kinda person. I have read the manual on every piece of software and hardware I have ever touched. I like to believe I was on the pioneering front for RIS installations and even unattended installations. I have been using a computer for nearly 15 years now. I know everything from Batch Scripting (or more properly refered to as Command Scripting) to SharePoint Services 2003. I seek new things to learn just so I can use everything to it's full potential. Probe into Windows XP and you will find a whole valley of amazing tools that just make your life so much easier. I administer servers as well as all of the PCs that run beneath them. I have worked with just about every Microsoft product and have a good grasp of how to use them to automate every aspect of my life and work. I wouldn't dream of using anything less than Windows XP at this time. Windows 98 just couldn't stand up to what I need from an OS. You will all slowly find this out. Then you will find yourself being in a position where even your little brother knows more about XP than you. You are all afraid to move to XP for the simple fact that you think you know just about everything about Windows 98 and you don't want to be put at the bottom rung of the ladder again. Well, when I reach the top of a ladder I like to find a new one to climb.
What if everything around you, isn't quite as it seems...
What if all the world you used to know, is an elaborate dream...
And if you look at your reflection, Is that all you want to be?
What if you could look right through the cracks, Would you find yourself... find yourself afraid to see?




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