[Gape]

Lilla, on May 12 2005, 04:40 AM, said:

uestion: "If Windows asks for rebooting on any step,..."
Does "any step" refer to steps 1 - 13, or step 8 only?

I think it means step 8 only, but just want to be sure as I am new to Unofficial Service Pack.
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Yes, it's for only step 8. Thanks for the correction.

[MDGx]

Eck, on May 11 2005, 01:47 PM, said:

Heh, heh.  It's kind of tricky to make operating system's happy , eh?

As a matter of fact, when I was playing around with a really old (Sis5598) board I found that I couldn't install the USB D-Link DCM-202 cable modem driver once I had installed the service pack and the 98SE2ME.  It wouldn't do it automatically after pointing out where the drivers were, as it kept telling me it couldn't find a driver there for it.  When I tried forcing them on, at the point where it told me to choose the device for it it had a blank box instead of a list of devices!  I couldn't proceed further, as it would pop up a message telling me that I must choose a device first.  But, it wouldn't list any!

If I install the driver before the service pack and 98SE2ME modifications, it installs fine.  However it loses the driver after applying the service pack!  But, in this case, I can update driver and, after pointing it to the right place, it will find all the correct stuff.  It looks as though this particular driver at least must be installed early, before the service packs.  Then, even though it loses it, it will find it again with a little help!

The only reason I waited the first time was I accessed the internet through dialup first.  Since I didn't have an available PCI slot on the old board I was trying to see if I could stand the dialup speed.  Yuuch!  I couldn't take it any longer.  (I've got dialup as a backup for when Comcast goes down.)  No slot for an ethernet card, but that modem also runs through USB.  Driver only installs early, before service pack.

What're the modifications doing to Windows driver installation processes?  I mean, these updates (Service Pack, 98SE2ME) should only make things better, right?  (And, they do actually.  Thanks, thanks, thanks!)  But, this is a little bug, isn't it?

Do you think you'll be able to find out why driver stuff is having problems like this after these updates are used?  I know it's too tough for me to figure out!

I can't say anything about SP 2.0, best to ask Gape, its author.

As far as 98SE2ME is concerned:
I'm the person to ask, and the forum is here:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=46349
For starters, I need more details from you, to narrow down the issue to a particular installation/change/etc you've made to your OS.
Please try this:
1. if u kept a backup of your 98SE OS from before installing 98se2me, restore it.
98se2me prompts u to back up your OS into C:\W98SEOLD before installing any system files from WinME.
If u don't have such backup, I'm afraid the only way is to reinstall 98SE fresh, eventually in a new directory [rename the old one from a boot disk/floppy/native MS-DOS if u don't want to install into another directory].
2. install your cable modem driver.
3. see if your cable modem driver works.
4. if your cable modem driver works, install 98se2me.
5. check your modem driver again.
6. if it doesn't work anymore, please post in this forum:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=46349
a detailed bug report, containing everything you think appropriate/relevant so I can "disect"/reproduce it if possible, and try to pinpoint the problem, if it is related in any way to 98se2me.

Hope this helps.

[nimda]

Gape, on May 11 2005, 08:56 AM, said:

Confused or angry?

You should look at the first post for the latest version of the installation guide. Based on users' experience, I try to improve the installation guide. For example, after bizzybody's comment, I deleted "hotfixed" word.
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roger that, thanks for clearing that up err.. confused.. sry if it sounded differently -

[Lilla]

I'm about to install Unofficial Win98SE SP 2.0.1 over my exisiting install.
Please let me know if my procedure as described below is OK.

To assure that my Antivirus, Firewall, etc. do not interfere,
I plan to do a "clean boot" as outlined below before installing the SP.

Run MSCONFIG.exe,
choose "Selective Startup" mode
uncheck ALL boxes under "Selective Startup"
Click Apply, OK
Restart the computer

then install the Unofficial Service Pack.

When done,
Run MSCONFIG.exe
choose "Normal Startup" mode
Click Apply, OK
Restart the computer

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Thank you,
Lilla

[Eck]

Lilla,

I don't know if the programmers are gonna get back to you but I'll give you my 2 cents.

I'd rather not mess with msconfig, as that's one of the things updated.

I've taken to disabling the Ethernet card in Device Manager, telling ZoneAlarm not to load on startup, and unchecking all the options in McAfee VirusScan. Then I reboot and use the Close Program box (ctrl-alt-delete) to close out the rest except for Explorer and Systray.

Works for me!

[The Kiwi]

Gape, on Feb 2 2005, 10:01 AM, said:

Installation Guide

PreRequites:
- Windows 98 SE English (4.10.2222A).
- 32 MB of RAM minimum.
- At least 40 MB free hard disk space.

Installation order:
*1- Install Windows 98 SE (with or without 98lite).
*2- Install IE 6.0 SP1.

ICK! Oh terrible Ick! Mozilla is a hundred times better!

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3- Install all newest drivers of your hardware.
*4- Install DirectX (9.0c).
*5- Install MS Office.
*6- Install/Use 98lite to remove any features.
7- Close all open programs.
8- Install latest SE SP.
*9- Install critical updates from WindowsUpdate. 

What about a PC without any 'net access? Is there anywhere that the contesnts of the "Security Updates" CD has been archived for download? Also, is there some place at which summaries of these next three items can be found? I've not run across mention of any of them.

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*10- Install MDGx's latest 982ME.
*11- Install Maximum-Decim's latest Native USB Drivers.
*12- Install Tihiy's latest Revolutions Pack.
13- Update or re-install drivers of your hardware, if you have any problem.

I set up a newly assembled PC weekend before last, used the prior version of SESP, and so far, haven't located my own copy of that Security CD. It's for a grandson, and doesn't have a modem in it, nor provision to connect to any other Inet access, until he is a little older, when/if, and/or, I can afford to pay his access fees for him.


Kiwi

* *

[MDGx]

The Kiwi said:

ICK! Oh terrible Ick! Mozilla is a hundred times better!

It doesn't matter which browser u use to get on the web, IE 6.0 SP1 + *all current* security patches:
http://www.mdgx.com/ietoy.htm
kill bugs + vulnerabilities which would otherwise make your OS *open* to attacks, because of MS dreaded "browser integration". This means lots of system files in %windir%\system are used by your OS to access the network/internet *no matter* which browser u use, and same files are also used by IE, no matter if u use it or not.
All users of MS Win32 OSes *must* install all current IE patches. Period.

Edit:
I meant that only for the purpose of minimizing security risks it's mandatory to install MS IE 6.0 SP1 + all its security patches.
I know SP 2.0.x doesn't need IE 5/6 nor DirectX.
And why I always say that everybody should install IE 6.0 SP1 + all its security patches, is because MS stopped making patches for IE 5.0, 5.01, 5.5, 6.0 etc. Therefore all those older IE builds are unprotected, and currently MS makes patches only for IE 6.0 SP1.

[Gape]

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ICK!  Oh terrible Ick! Mozilla is a hundred times better!

As I stated in the guide, it's optional. You don't require to install IE 6 or DirectX 9.

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What about a PC without any 'net access?  Is there anywhere that the contesnts of the "Security Updates" CD has been archived for download?  Also, is there some place at which summaries of these next three items can be found?  I've not run across mention of any of them.

SP 2.0.1 contains all critical OS updates. However, it doesn't contain IE-related, Media Player-related, DirectX-related updates. (But it contains required updates for bundled IE 5.0 of 98 SE.)

So if you use IE 5.5+, you should install critical updates from WinUpdate.

[wizy]

Could an addition to this install list on the main page be made? I think a small "upgrade" section is needed. It should contain a section "What to do when a new version of X comes out." Where X is SP, RP, or 982ME. That way people know exactly what they need to do when a new 982ME comes out, or a new RP or a new SP.

I would personally like at least an answer to all 3

[UltWing]

I have a question about installation. I'm planning on getting a new computer w/ 2GB RAM, Athlon 64 FX-55 CPU, two hard drives (120GB & 160GB), and I want to install both Win98SE and WinXP Pro. I plan on using the service pack steps, but are there any immediate issues with installing Win98SE on a drive without an operating system with 2GB RAM? If so, are there any remedies I can do before I order a PC, like reduce RAM to 1GB or have additional software available?

[MDGx]

wizy, on May 30 2005, 03:46 PM, said:

Could an addition to this install list on the main page be made?  I think a small "upgrade" section is needed.  It should contain a section "What to do when a new version of X comes out."  Where X is SP, RP, or 982ME.  That way people know exactly what they need to do when a new 982ME comes out, or a new RP or a new SP.

I would personally like at least an answer to all 3

I can only speak for 98SE2ME, because that's the only one I develop + maintain.
Please see READ1ST.TXT [75 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
which is also part of the 98SE2ME.EXE package [2 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/4
The "FAQ" chapter explains your inquiry as far as 98SE2ME is concerned.
And if you have any other questions concerning 98SE2ME, please don't hesitate to ask in this forum:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=46349

Gape is the author of SP, and this is the forum to ask.

Tihiy is the author of RP, and this is the forum to ask:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=39333

Hope this helps.

[MDGx]

UltWing, on May 30 2005, 06:51 PM, said:

I have a question about installation. I'm planning on getting a new computer w/ 2GB RAM, Athlon 64 FX-55 CPU, two hard drives (120GB & 160GB), and I want to install both Win98SE and WinXP Pro. I plan on using the service pack steps, but are there any immediate issues with installing Win98SE on a drive without an operating system with 2GB RAM? If so, are there any remedies I can do before I order a PC, like reduce RAM to 1GB or have additional software available?

If you plan on installing both 98SE + XP Pro, you can install 98SE after XP, so you don't need to worry about installing 98SE [probably upgrade] on a "virgin" PC with no OS.
If u want to install 98SE first [also upgrade], and if it prompts u for a "qualifying upgrade", u can always pop in the XP CD or point to the where the I386 folder resides on your HD *if* u copied it there [which I strongly recommend for faster install], and it should allow u to install 98SE afterwards.
98SE SETUP.EXE [even upgrade] works from native MS-DOS, if u boot from a 95/98/98SE boot floppy, unless u had already installed 98SE before.
And if u install 98SE from MS-DOS, make sure u load SMARTDRV in memory first, to speed up installing from the CD [or better, copy the WIN98 folder onto your HD]:

SMARTDRV 12288 16 C+ D+ /N

Add D+ only if u have 2 HDs/partitions.

To my knowledge, after u install Gape's SP, you shouldn't need to lower your RAM amount to 1 GB or less, should work ok as is.
If it doesn't, then u can add/modify the MaxPhysPage= SYSTEM.INI line, even from native MS-DOS [using EDIT.COM] if won't allow u to load Windows GUI:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip8.htm#BADMEM
See also this:
http://www.mdgx.com/...week.htm#SYSINI

The only problem I'm aware of [and I know Gape + Petr are working to fix it] is that you may encounter errors with your large 160 GB HD, because there is no [free] fix [yet] for 98SE ESDI_506.PDR to handle HDs > 134 GB ["big LBA"], *unless* your mobo has a VIA chipset, in which case installing the VIA 4-in-1 drivers solves this issue.

Hope this helps.

[UltWing]

Thanks MDGx. I will print out those steps for my installation. About the hard disks, I was planning on installing Win98SE on the 120GB-FAT32 and WinXP Pro/SP2 on the 160GB-NTFS. I only want Win98SE to see only its drive.

[MDGx]

The Force is strong with this one. [Darth Vader]

[wizy]

MGDx:
Shouldnt the answer be relatively simple?

Installing new SP:
install sp, install 982me, install RP

Installing new 982me:
install 982me, install RP

Installing new RP:
Just install RP?

Is that basically correct?

[MDGx]

wizy, on May 31 2005, 05:07 PM, said:

Is that basically correct?

Yes.
But some don't know [some of] the implications, that's why I elaborated.

[krick]

UltWing, on May 31 2005, 10:25 AM, said:

Thanks MDGx. I will print out those steps for my installation. About the hard disks, I was planning on installing Win98SE on the 120GB-FAT32 and WinXP Pro/SP2 on the 160GB-NTFS. I only want Win98SE to see only its drive.
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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I *think* that windows 98SE must be installed on the "C" drive which is typically the first partition on your primary drive. Windows XP will install to any partition on any drive.

So given your hardware, I'd set up the 120GB as the primary drive ©, the 160 as the secondary drive (D), then install Windows 98SE to the C drive first, then install XP to the D drive.

[bizzybody]

Any version of Windows will install to any hard drive. You just need the boot files on the drive (on a partition tagged Active) the BIOS is set to boot from.

[iWindoze]

Gape, on Feb 2 2005, 10:01 AM, said:

Installation Guide


Slipstreaming Guide

2.0 supports a special slipstreaming method. Only hotfixes can be integrated into your Windows 98 SE Setup from the start. Other features like TweakUI cannot be integrated.

1- Copy \WIN98 directory with its contents from CD into your hard drive (like D:\WIN98).
2- With Winzip, Winrar or PowerArchiver, extract SP2.CAB from SESP20.EXE into a temporary directory.
3- Extract all files into D:\WIN98 from SP2.CAB. (For example, you should see D:\WIN98\ACPI.SYS file after extracting SP2.CAB).
4- Use D:\WIN98\SETUP.EXE for starting Windows 98 Setup. Windows 98 Setup will use these hotfixed files automatically during installation.
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I had an error come up on the slipstreaming, here it is:

error Code = 5001

message SU0350

"Setup was unable to display the Nondisclosure agreement. Setup will now close."

@_@'

Any ideas for a way to fix this? I my copy of SE is an upgrade
(full retail) version...not the MS Upgrade cd that Axcel216 talks about
on his site which was more or less worthless due to a crippled no dos
setup routine.

Thanks!

This post has been edited by iWindoze: 13 June 2005 - 12:13 AM

[MDGx]

iWindoze, on Jun 13 2005, 12:10 AM, said:

I my copy of SE is an upgrade
(full retail) version...not the MS Upgrade cd that Axcel216 talks about
on his site which was more or less worthless due to a crippled no dos
setup routine.

Could you elaborate what exactly you read at my site, eventually with a small quote and/or URL, please?
Thanks.