[Technoguy]

gape m8 excellent work with the 98Se service packs.btw can ya insert hibernate option as in win2k and winXp in win98?

[randiroo76073]

Technoguy, I have suspend in 98se, what be diff between that and hibernate? My puter shuts down monitor & hdd, trickle power to mobo for wakeup

[Technoguy]

well m8 if i stopped a song playing on 3:15 by using hibernate option in Xp when i reboot puter it starts from there only.does the suspend option do the same thing.if ya just tell me how 2 insert it in win98se

[randiroo76073]

Hmmm,don't know answer for sure, when come out of suspend, its where I left it, I didn't install, when I put in new mobo it came up on menu, old mobo did not support but shutdown & reboot??? Think its a hardware thing w/drivers & such Maybe someone else can explain better

[soldier1st]

hibernate is useless,suspend is better.

[mitsubishi]

I don't really know XP, but AFAIK hibernate just introduces suspend to disk option.
Make sure your mobo drivers are correct, those are the most important, providing your mobo supports it. On my current 98 box, standby works great and springs out when I move the mouse, on other boxes its worked different, mostly going into standby and having no way of getting out

[erpdude8]

soldier1st, on Mar 8 2005, 09:46 AM, said:

hibernate is useless,suspend is better.
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TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH SOLDIER1ST! HIBERNATE IS A VERY USEFUL FEATURE, FAR BETTER THAN SUSPEND AND FAR BETTER THAN SHUTTING DOWN AND TURNING ON PC AFTER THE SHUTDOWN!

Unfortunately, Win98se allows hibernation ONLY on ACPI-based laptop/notebook computers and NOT desktop computers. If you want hibernation on an ACPI-based desktop machine, upgrade to WinME or WinXP. There's no way to add the hibernate feature on a desktop PC using Win98 SE.

Hibernate shuts down the PC as normal but when you turn on the PC again, it will return to your desktop exactly as you left it.

Be aware that there are some apps and devices that can prevent you from entering either StandBy or Hibernate power management modes. You'll have either disable or remove those problem apps or devices in order to use the power management functions.

[Tarun]

erpdude8, on Mar 8 2005, 03:48 PM, said:

soldier1st, on Mar 8 2005, 09:46 AM, said:

hibernate is useless,suspend is better.
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TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH SOLDIER1ST! HIBERNATE IS A VERY USEFUL FEATURE, FAR BETTER THAN SUSPEND AND FAR BETTER THAN SHUTTING DOWN AND TURNING ON PC AFTER THE SHUTDOWN!

Unfortunately, Win98se allows hibernation ONLY on ACPI-based laptop/notebook computers and NOT desktop computers. If you want hibernation on an ACPI-based desktop machine, upgrade to WinME or WinXP. There's no way to add the hibernate feature on a desktop PC using Win98 SE.

Hibernate shuts down the PC as normal but when you turn on the PC again, it will return to your desktop exactly as you left it.

Be aware that there are some apps and devices that can prevent you from entering either StandBy or Hibernate power management modes. You'll have either disable or remove those problem apps or devices in order to use the power management functions.
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It truthfully is useless. Even if you're a power user. You're far better off just saving your projects and shutting down normally than wasting space with "hibernate".

Hibernation is a hog in many ways.

This came from a true expert technician, notice the first thing he says to disable on an XP machine.

DjLizard said:

Disable Hibernation, turn off system restore, disable UPNP (if on), set Visual Effects options to 'Adjust for best performance' but leave 'show window contents while dragging', defragment the hard drive, page file (if any) and MFT (plus NTFS' extended journal, bad cluster log, etc) using Raxco Perfectdisk 7 (trial at raxco.com, but p2p has full versions available), disable time synchronization, disable the indexing service (if on), disable IE's script debugging (if on), install RyanVM.net versions of things like Acrobat 7 (don't use 6!) and Java, disable SSDP discovery service...

do not ever use msconfig to disable services, only use services.msc (start, run, services.msc). and for some services, it is better to use standard UI to disable them instead of using services.msc, such as with System Restore (only disable it through My Computer-> Properties)

[soldier1st]

i totaly agree with tarun,hibernation is a complete waste,it is better to save your work then use it,what if you had a power failure,all ur stuff in memory would be gone,if you had saved it then it would not be gone.

[randiroo76073]

I'm not sure what OS you're on, but when my puter[98se tweaked] goes into suspend & wakes up, my desktop is just like I left it when I got up from my chair I've never had hibernate so I wouldn't know the diff!

[erpdude8]

Tarun, on Mar 8 2005, 04:42 PM, said:

erpdude8, on Mar 8 2005, 03:48 PM, said:

soldier1st, on Mar 8 2005, 09:46 AM, said:

hibernate is useless,suspend is better.
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TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH SOLDIER1ST! HIBERNATE IS A VERY USEFUL FEATURE, FAR BETTER THAN SUSPEND AND FAR BETTER THAN SHUTTING DOWN AND TURNING ON PC AFTER THE SHUTDOWN!

Unfortunately, Win98se allows hibernation ONLY on ACPI-based laptop/notebook computers and NOT desktop computers. If you want hibernation on an ACPI-based desktop machine, upgrade to WinME or WinXP. There's no way to add the hibernate feature on a desktop PC using Win98 SE.

Hibernate shuts down the PC as normal but when you turn on the PC again, it will return to your desktop exactly as you left it.

Be aware that there are some apps and devices that can prevent you from entering either StandBy or Hibernate power management modes. You'll have either disable or remove those problem apps or devices in order to use the power management functions.
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It truthfully is useless. Even if you're a power user. You're far better off just saving your projects and shutting down normally than wasting space with "hibernate".

Hibernation is a hog in many ways.

This came from a true expert technician, notice the first thing he says to disable on an XP machine.

DjLizard said:

Disable Hibernation, turn off system restore, disable UPNP (if on), set Visual Effects options to 'Adjust for best performance' but leave 'show window contents while dragging', defragment the hard drive, page file (if any) and MFT (plus NTFS' extended journal, bad cluster log, etc) using Raxco Perfectdisk 7 (trial at raxco.com, but p2p has full versions available), disable time synchronization, disable the indexing service (if on), disable IE's script debugging (if on), install RyanVM.net versions of things like Acrobat 7 (don't use 6!) and Java, disable SSDP discovery service...

do not ever use msconfig to disable services, only use services.msc (start, run, services.msc). and for some services, it is better to use standard UI to disable them instead of using services.msc, such as with System Restore (only disable it through My Computer-> Properties)

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Disabling hibernate in XP? pathetic, Tarun! soldier1st & Tarun, look up the word
"hibernate" in the Windows help file in Win98se or whatever version of Windows you use. click on Start, then click on Help and from the Index tab, type in hibernate.

Hibernation a hog? not on my machines that use WinME and WinXP. hibernate doesn't use much space unless you are using a relatively small HD or partition.
One good reason to use WinME (aka. Win98 TE) is its built-in hibernate feature.
I NEVER disable hibernation on my brother's laptop computer that has pre-installed XP. Microsoft made some improvements to the power-management features so that Hibernate is possible on both desktop & laptop PCs that are ACPI-ready and the Windows OS used is either Win2000, ME or XP.

Hibernate used to be called "suspend to disk" because it saves the system state onto the hard drive instead of saving it to memory.

[erpdude8]

Read MS article 197739 on the Different Advanced Power Management States:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;197739
this article applies to Win98 & ME only.

for those using Windows XP, here's their version of the Different Advanced Power Management States article:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;308535

for those using Windows 2000, see this article on how to set Win2k into using
Hibernation mode:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;308098

if there are apps that interfere with hibernate, I close them and I can leave Windows Explorer open before I can go into hibernate mode.

I don't believe that crap from DjLizard's quote! maybe he's using an unreliable PC that can't handle power management features.

I used to own an NEC machine that has Win98se (though is uses APM instead of
ACPI). gave it to my aunt several years ago. Suspend is now called Standby in Win98 fe/se. Standby works well under that old Win98se machine as well as on the newer, faster WME/WXP machines I have.

randiroo76073, if you want to know what hibernate does, get a laptop computer that has pre-installed XP on it.

[Technoguy]

guys ok but if i can't add hibernate in win98 se how can suspend option be added could ya guide me cause i got info of the service pack for win98SE just 3 days back.

[Tarun]

randiroo76073, on Mar 8 2005, 08:54 PM, said:

I'm not sure what OS you're on, but when my puter[98se tweaked] goes into suspend & wakes up,  my desktop is just like I left it when I got up from my chair  I've never had hibernate so I wouldn't know the diff!
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That's what suspend does. Hibernate is very much the same except it allows you to power down your machine. It seriously is a bad joke.

[Tarun]

Technoguy, on Mar 9 2005, 09:09 AM, said:

guys ok but if i can't add hibernate in win98 se how can suspend option be added could ya guide me cause i got info of the service pack for win98SE just 3 days back.
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Enter your Control Panel and go to Power Options. It's listed under the Power Schemes tab.

[Tarun]

erpdude8, on Mar 9 2005, 08:11 AM, said:

Disabling hibernate in XP?  pathetic, Tarun!  soldier1st & Tarun, look up the word
"hibernate" in the Windows help file in Win98se or whatever version of Windows you use.  click on Start, then click on Help and from the Index tab, type in hibernate.

Hibernation a hog?  not on my machines that use WinME and WinXP.  hibernate doesn't use much space unless you are using a relatively small HD or partition.
One good reason to use WinME (aka. Win98 TE) is its built-in hibernate feature.
I NEVER disable hibernation on my brother's laptop computer that has pre-installed XP.  Microsoft made some improvements to the power-management features so that Hibernate is possible on both desktop & laptop PCs that are ACPI-ready and the Windows OS used is either Win2000, ME or XP.

Hibernate used to be called "suspend to disk" because it saves the system state onto the hard drive instead of saving it to memory.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I ask that you do not bash mine.

Why not tell everyone exactly what all you use Hibernate for on your pc, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you can do without it and wind up saving yourself a lot of space that is going to waste.

[soldier1st]

i agree with tarun
every1 is entitled to there opinion,don't take it seriously erpdude8
don't bash everything or you will wind up with nothing,hibernation has it's uses but for me it is useless but maybe not for you,that is an opion not a bash,geez ppl these days..very different then they used to be and i miss those times.oh well.

[erpdude8]

well sorry soldier1st but I'm showing passion and fire on what I said about hibernation in my first comment (and I'm defending it)! if you really want to see what hibernation does, save a lot of money and buy a laptop computer with xp on it.
then from the Power Options control panel app, enable hibernation and test it out.
someday, you'll need a laptop computer cuz you can take it anywhere and uses less power than a desktop computer!

On my brothers custom-made desktop PC and on his laptop PC both using WinXP, hibernation normally shuts down windows. When I turn on the computers after hibernation it says "Resuming Windows" instead of the normal Windows XP startup splash screen and returns to the desktop a little faster than a normal shutdown and startup process. on my Hewlett-packard pavilion PC with pre-installed WinME, I choose the hibernation option from the shut down menu which shuts down the pc normally, but when I turn on my WinME computer it says "Returning to Windows" instead of the usual Windows ME startup splash screen and gets me to the desktop.

The hibernation feature back in the Win95 & Win98 days only pertained to LAPTOP computers. there was no need for hibernation for DESKTOP computers. The hibernate APM option was there in order to save battery power but it was not enabled by default. a utility provided by the laptop/notebook maker had to be used to setup & enable the hibernation feature in order of it to work correctly.

Like I said before, hibernation in Win98se only works under laptop computers that adhere to the ACPI power management standard. those using a desktop computer with Win98se should not worry about using hibernation as the standby APM feature is good enough for most users using a desktop PC.

if you want to use hibernate on a desktop computer that supports ACPI, use Win2000, ME or XP which have built-in hibernation support in these versions of Windows. not even MDGx's 98SE2ME pack can add the hibernate APM feature because the APM drivers in WinME are ME specific, just like DOS 8 is WinME specific.

[Technoguy]

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Enter your Control Panel and go to Power Options. It's listed under the Power Schemes tab.

well m8 i get 3 options
1.home/desktop
2.portable/laptop
3.always On
which 1 shud i click on?or do i need 2 install the service pack?

[Tarun]

Technoguy, on Mar 9 2005, 12:59 PM, said:

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Enter your Control Panel and go to Power Options. It's listed under the Power Schemes tab.

well m8 i get 3 options
1.home/desktop
2.portable/laptop
3.always On
which 1 shud i click on?or do i need 2 install the service pack?
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You can configure them as you wish. Each item will go to system standby as you wish.

Mine shows it as follows:

Turn off monitor:
Turn off hard disks:
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System Standby:

So you would set those values to what best suits your needs. I have my LCD monitor go to standby after 15 minutes, hard disks set to never since I host voicechats as a server, and system standby to never.

If your system supports it you can configure it to whatever suits your personal needs.