[Petr]

Gape, on Apr 28 2005, 08:32 AM, said:

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Yes. But I'm not sure with msmouse.vxd. Q254660 contains version 4.10.2223, Intellipoint 4.12 contains 11.40.852 - but surprisingly this file is missing from Gape's SP2RC3. My archive shows that this file (11.40.852) was in Gape's SP version 1.2, but not in newer. Was there any problem with this specific version? Then why not to use 4.10.2223?  Do you know why? I see in my archive also version 11.30.393.

This file (msmouse.vxd) causes mouse lock-up, and slowness problems on some systems.

OK. It means that it is not good idea to install intellipoint 4.12 software as erpdude8 suggested?

erpdude8, on Apr 27 2005, 10:33 AM, said:

As for msmouse.vxd v11.40.852, ask Gape why it was left out of 2.0 RC.  Better to install the whole Intellipoint software and not get Q254660, even if you're using a non-MS Intellipoint mouse.

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I'm not sure why the newest version of cbss.vxd 4.10.2226 (Q295629) is not in the SP?

Maybe it would be good to have somewhere the list of
- hotfixes that will be added in the next release
- hotfixes that will not be added because they are buggy.

I agree. I will make a detailed table for hotfixes... For 1.6.2, you can look these links:

1.6.2 Updates List
1.6.2 File List
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I didn't mean this table, even though it is very useful too. I meant something like continuous changelog, updated immediately after some feature is added/removed/modified/fixed, even between releases of the SP. So now I would see there lines like
- RUNPOST.BAT goto end bug corrected
- 2_4date removed
- Q891711 2nd release added
- Q888113 added
- Q891781 added
- REGSVR32.EXE updated to version xxx from yyy
- REGEDIT patch removed
- Qxxxxxx will not be added because of yyyyyy
- Q329128 will be added when available

So always when anybody will think that found some new patch or bug, he could check this table and see if you already know about it or not.

Regards,

Petr

[Gape]

Petr, on Apr 28 2005, 09:07 AM, said:

- RUNPOST.BAT  goto end bug corrected
- 2_4date removed
- Q891711 2nd release added
- Q888113 added
- Q891781 added
- REGSVR32.EXE updated to version xxx from yyy
- REGEDIT patch removed
- Qxxxxxx will not be added because of yyyyyy
- Q329128 will be added when available

So always when anybody will think that found some new patch or bug, he could check this table and see if you already know about it or not.
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OK, I'll try to write more detailed changelog.

[Petr]

Gape, on Apr 28 2005, 09:25 AM, said:

OK, I'll try to write more detailed changelog.
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Maybe not much more detail, but with additional sections:
- planned for 2.0
- planned for 2.1
- not planned at all

Regards,

Petr

[erpdude8]

For Q277628 vfat.vxd patches, see MDGx's software essentials page:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm
I sent him the vfat.vxd hotfixes for W98/WME more than a month ago. search for vfat.vxd on his page and you should find them. so I don't have to send you Q277628.

As for msmouse.vxd v11.x, you need the complete Intellipoint software. having msmouse.vxd v11 by itself w/out intellipoint installed may lockup the system as Gape said. But if you install the whole Intellpoint mouse software (either version 4.01 or 4.12), it should work fine. My younger brother bought a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical device several years ago but it came with Intellipoint 3.2 software, which was buggy and caused a lot of random mouse movements in random directions. Updated it to at least v4.01 and things were stable.

Intellipoint 4.01 is the last version to support Win95 and v4.12 is the last to support Win98, ME & NT4. Versions 5 and higher will only support Win2k/XP.

Let me handle obtaining Q329128 patch for you Petr. if you can't get it from MS, let me do it instead as I have a very good success rate in asking them. You can only request one hotfix at a time. It won't work if you try to request multiple hotfixes at once. And it also depends on the MS support rep answering the hotfix request. Most reps are smart but there some that are just UNintelligent & could lead you in circles.

Read the whole forum thread on requesting hotfixes from Microsoft:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=31579

[erpdude8]

Petr, on Apr 28 2005, 01:07 AM, said:

I didn't mean this table, even though it is very useful too. I meant something like continuous changelog, updated immediately after some feature is added/removed/modified/fixed, even between releases of the SP. So now I would see there lines like
- RUNPOST.BAT  goto end bug corrected
- 2_4date removed
- Q891711 2nd release added
- Q888113 added
- Q891781 added
- REGSVR32.EXE updated to version xxx from yyy
- REGEDIT patch removed
- Qxxxxxx will not be added because of yyyyyy
- Q329128 will be added when available

So always when anybody will think that found some new patch or bug, he could check this table and see if you already know about it or not.

Regards,

Petr
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Sadly, Microsoft just emailed me saying the Q329128 hotfixes are not available at this time (at least I got a straightforward answer, so I'll have to take their word for it). So Petr and Gape, lets forget about Q329128 for now and let's wait for about a month to see if MS will offer it.

Q252187 esdi_506.pdr v4.10.2226 was included in SP v1.2 but was removed in future releases of Gape's 98se SP (starting v1.5) due to causing lockups before Windows 98se loaded on some systems. instead of fixing the lockups on some machines, it actually did the reverse in causing lockups in other PCs. So the Q252187 fix is for certain computers only [install Q252187 on IBM Thinkpad 600x machines only and do NOT install on other name brand computers].

[Petr]

Does anybody know what is the difference between these sets of files:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/192112

File name Version Date Time Size
------------------------------------------------------
Vfwwdm.drv 4.10.2043 8/10/98 9:35pm 15,344 bytes
Vfwwdm32.dll 4.10.2043 8/10/98 9:38pm 56,832 bytes
Kswdmcap.ax 4.10.2043 8/10/98 9:29pm 51,712 bytes

and http://www.visiongs.de/vfwupd.exe that contains:

File name Version Date Time Size
------------------------------------------------------
Vfwwdm.drv 4.10.2000 8/21/98 4:56pm 15,600 bytes
Vfwwdm32.dll 4.10.2000 8/21/98 5:40pm 57,856 bytes
Kswdmcap.ax 4.10.2000 8/21/98 5:26pm 51,712 bytes

And now - What are newer? The version 2043 is much newer than 2000, but the date is newer for files from vfwupd. Yes, the date of the file can be changed easily, but even the internal date built-in inside the file in PE header shows August 21st!!
And also often newer files are bigger.

So - any idea?

Petr

[Petr]

So at present, it seems that only the following hotfixes are missing:
(thanks erpdude8)

Q192112 Kswdmcap.ax, Vfwwdm.drv, Vfwwdm32.dll 4.10.2043
Q192117 Mstcp.dll 4.10.2012
Q196527 Dvdplay.exe
Q209321 Dblbuff.sys (not sure if it is necessary after installation)
Q222902 Ntkern.vxd 4.10.2103
Q224073 Vcache.vxd 4.10.2183
Q230791 1394bus.sys, Ohci1394.sys 4.10.2179
Q243048 Apmbatt.sys 4.10.1999
Q254087 Vmm.vxd 4.10.2000
Q265528 Vnetbios.vxd 4.10.2223
Q282949 Wbemprox.dll (only necessary if WMI 1.5 installed)
Q323708 Nscirda.sys 4.10.1999

If anybody has any information, please let me know.

Petr

[MDGx]

Petr, on Apr 30 2005, 04:52 PM, said:

So at present, it seems that only the following hotfixes are missing:
(thanks erpdude8)

Q192112 Kswdmcap.ax, Vfwwdm.drv, Vfwwdm32.dll 4.10.2043
Q192117 Mstcp.dll 4.10.2012
Q196527 Dvdplay.exe
Q209321 Dblbuff.sys (not sure if it is necessary after installation)
Q222902 Ntkern.vxd 4.10.2103
Q224073 Vcache.vxd 4.10.2183
Q230791 1394bus.sys, Ohci1394.sys 4.10.2179
Q243048 Apmbatt.sys 4.10.1999
Q254087 Vmm.vxd 4.10.2000
Q265528 Vnetbios.vxd 4.10.2223
Q282949 Wbemprox.dll (only necessary if WMI 1.5 installed)
Q323708 Nscirda.sys 4.10.1999

If anybody has any information, please let me know.

Petr

These 2 are available:

Microsoft Windows 98 GPF/IPF During Setup DBLBUFF.SYS Fix:
http://support.micro....com/?id=209321
Direct download [75 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/Q209321.EXE

Microsoft Windows 98/98 SE WBEMPROX.DLL Fix:
http://support.micro....com/?id=282949
Direct download [194 KB, English]:
http://www.autourdupc.com/Logiciel/WIN98/S...82949_win98.exe

Hope this helps.

[Petr]

MDGx, on May 1 2005, 09:37 AM, said:

These 2 are available:

Microsoft Windows 98 GPF/IPF During Setup DBLBUFF.SYS Fix:
http://support.micro....com/?id=209321
Direct download [75 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/Q209321.EXE

Microsoft Windows 98/98 SE WBEMPROX.DLL Fix:
http://support.micro....com/?id=282949
Direct download [194 KB, English]:
http://www.autourdupc.com/Logiciel/WIN98/S...82949_win98.exe

Hope this helps.
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Thank you very much, I have added them recently and did not so good search for them. So now are remaining:

Q192112 Kswdmcap.ax, Vfwwdm.drv, Vfwwdm32.dll 4.10.2043 (only if this is really newer version than vfwupd.exe 4.10.2000 with newer date)
Q192117 Mstcp.dll 4.10.2012
Q196527 Dvdplay.exe
Q222902 Ntkern.vxd 4.10.2103
Q224073 Vcache.vxd 4.10.2183
Q230791 1394bus.sys, Ohci1394.sys 4.10.2179 (I know that IEEE1394 support on Windows 98 Sandard Edition is not perfect)
Q243048 Apmbatt.sys 4.10.1999
Q254087 Vmm.vxd 4.10.2000
Q265528 Vnetbios.vxd 4.10.2223 (Really is this version not suitable for SE??)
Q323708 Nscirda.sys 4.10.1999

Petr

[MDGx]

Petr, on May 1 2005, 04:48 AM, said:

Q265528 Vnetbios.vxd 4.10.2223 (Really is this version not suitable for SE??)

Good find, Petr.
Original VNETBIOS.VXD from Win98SE setup CD is build 4.10.1998 , same as Win98 FE.
I don't think Gape has this hotfix [yet].
Because nobody I know has it, we should request it from MS.

As far as I know the only other fix is for WinME, and way back when I tried it on Win98SE it didn't work:

Microsoft Windows ME Networking Errors VNETBIOS.VXD build 4.90.3000 [identical with the one on the WinME setup CD] Fix:
http://support.micro....com/?id=272991
Direct download [148 KB, English]:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win.../272991usam.exe

Gape:
Petr and I recommend to add VNETBIOS.VXD 4.10.2223 from hotfix Q265528 to next SP 2.0 release.

[Petr]

I have discoverd one additional hotfix needed - Q250514 for Windows 98 Standard edition, with spoolss.dll version 4.10.2000.

http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/CPatch/msupdate/.../250514usa8.exe contains the SE version only, 4.10.2223.

MDGx has spoolss.dll version for 95, 98SE, ME - but unforunately for 98FE not.

Petr

[erpdude8]

Petr, on May 4 2005, 02:35 PM, said:

I have discoverd one additional hotfix needed - Q250514 for Windows 98 Standard edition, with spoolss.dll version 4.10.2000.

http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/CPatch/msupdate/.../250514usa8.exe contains the SE version only, 4.10.2223.

MDGx has spoolss.dll version for 95, 98SE, ME - but unforunately for 98FE not.

Petr
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To fix the spoolss.dll problems in 98fe, Petr just overwrite that file with the WinME version [4.90.3000]. that's all. You can also do this for Win98se and not bother using Q250514. in fact using WinME spoolss.dll file under Win98 fixes more problems than what Q250514 does.

MDGx's spoolss.dll fix for 98fe/se IS 4.90.3000, but do NOT use this under ANY version of W95 as it wont fix the spoolss problems under 95 and can mess things up.

btw- Q196527 has dvdplay.exe v4.10.1999; for 98fe only.

[Petr]

erpdude8, on May 11 2005, 01:40 PM, said:

Petr, on May 4 2005, 02:35 PM, said:

I have discoverd one additional hotfix needed - Q250514 for Windows 98 Standard edition, with spoolss.dll version 4.10.2000.

http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/CPatch/msupdate/.../250514usa8.exe contains the SE version only, 4.10.2223.

MDGx has spoolss.dll version for 95, 98SE, ME - but unforunately for 98FE not.

Petr
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

To fix the spoolss.dll problems in 98fe, Petr just overwrite that file with the WinME version [4.90.3000]. that's all. You can also do this for Win98se and not bother using Q250514. in fact using WinME spoolss.dll file under Win98 fixes more problems than what Q250514 does.

MDGx's spoolss.dll fix for 98fe/se IS 4.90.3000, but do NOT use this under ANY version of W95 as it wont fix the spoolss problems under 95 and can mess things up.

Yes, but Windows ME is not free software and therefore parts of it cannot be put to Win98 FE or SE servicepack - or no?

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btw- Q196527 has dvdplay.exe v4.10.1999; for 98fe only.

This is OK I think - why do you mentioned it?

Best Regards,

Petr

[erpdude8]

Petr, on May 11 2005, 05:56 AM, said:

Yes, but Windows ME is not free software and therefore parts of it cannot be put to Win98 FE or SE servicepack - or no?

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that's right. parts of WinME such as the WinME spoolss.dll file can't be included in a Win98 fe/se SP (unless Gape has a license to legally put some WinME files in his 98se SP).

however, the WinME spoolss.dll file should be included in MDGx's 98se2me pack. ask MDGx if that file is in his pack.

[MDGx]

erpdude8, on May 11 2005, 05:01 PM, said:

however, the WinME spoolss.dll file should be included in MDGx's 98se2me pack.  ask MDGx if that file is in his pack.

SPOOLSS.DLL is indeed installed by 98SE2ME, but u need a WinME setup CD to extract it from.

[erpdude8]

MDGx, on May 12 2005, 06:59 AM, said:

erpdude8, on May 11 2005, 05:01 PM, said:

however, the WinME spoolss.dll file should be included in MDGx's 98se2me pack.  ask MDGx if that file is in his pack.

SPOOLSS.DLL is indeed installed by 98SE2ME, but u need a WinME setup CD to extract it from.
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bummer!

Q209321 Dblbuff.sys patch for Win98fe can be left on after installing Win98, Petr. The issue mostly occurs with installing OEM [non-retail] editions of Win98fe on fast computers. some IBM machines that have OEM 98fe have Q209321 pre-installed.

Q265528 CAN be installed under BOTH 98 FE and SE. Microsoft article 265528 is wrong!
The Win95 version of Q265528 is included in the DUN 1.4 update for W95.
The Win98 version of DUN 1.4, on the other hand, doesn't include Q265528.

Q243048 Apmbatt.sys is only needed if you run 98fe on a laptop computer. useless on desktop computers.

Q230791 is only needed if you actually use Firewire devices and that you have an IEEE 1394/Firewire expansion card installed to your computer and you use a firewire cable to connect your devices. I know for sure Sony computers have built-in Firewire/1394 ports. Even with Q230791 installed, Firewire support in 98fe is still weak and most 1394 devices really require at least 98 SE with Q242975 patch installed.

Q196527 Dvdplay.exe - only needed if you have a DVD player installed to your 98 machine.

[Petr]

Hi,

erpdude8, on May 13 2005, 12:41 PM, said:

Q209321 Dblbuff.sys patch for Win98fe can be left on after installing Win98, Petr.  The issue mostly occurs with installing OEM [non-retail] editions of Win98fe on fast computers.  some IBM machines that have OEM 98fe have Q209321 pre-installed.

There is no difference between OEM and Retail version in executable files, the only difference is in the license file and a few INF files. There is a possibility of semi-slipstreaming and then the updated Dblbuff.sys will be used during the installation - or not?

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Q243048 Apmbatt.sys is only needed if you run 98fe on a laptop computer.  useless on desktop computers.

Q230791 is only needed if you actually use Firewire devices and that you have an IEEE 1394/Firewire expansion card installed to your computer and you use a firewire cable to connect your devices.  I know for sure Sony computers have built-in Firewire/1394 ports.  Even with Q230791 installed, Firewire support in 98fe is still weak and most 1394 devices really require at least 98 SE with Q242975 patch installed.

Q196527 Dvdplay.exe - only needed if you have a DVD player installed to your 98 machine.

Yes, these hofixes are necessary just in special cases. But I think I try to prepare a service pack suitable for all computers, not just for desktop computers without IEEE1394 port and without DVD player.
I agree that trying to obtain these hotfixes should have somewhat lower priority, but they should be contained in the "FE SP" if available.

Petr

[erpdude8]

Petr, on May 13 2005, 06:19 AM, said:

Hi,

erpdude8, on May 13 2005, 12:41 PM, said:

Q209321 Dblbuff.sys patch for Win98fe can be left on after installing Win98, Petr.  The issue mostly occurs with installing OEM [non-retail] editions of Win98fe on fast computers.  some IBM machines that have OEM 98fe have Q209321 pre-installed.

There is no difference between OEM and Retail version in executable files, the only difference is in the license file and a few INF files. There is a possibility of semi-slipstreaming and then the updated Dblbuff.sys will be used during the installation - or not? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You CAN slimstream the updated dblbuff.sys file. though you must include it in the Win98 folder or wherever your Win98fe setup files are stored in (except on CD, unless you create your own W98fe setup cd & including the dblbuff.sys file). I did that and W98 setup did use that dblbuff.sys file. and you can keep it after Win98fe is installed.

Another difference between OEM and retail versions of Windows setup is the setup order. Setup prompts you to enter a cd-key (the 25-alphanumeric product key) near the beginning of setup in retail editions. In OEM editions, it prompts you for cd-key near the end of setup. It has been like that with Win98, 2000, ME and XP.

Petr, be sure to get others involved in trying out sybesma's thread on requesting hotfixes from Microsoft. I should not be the only one that has been taking action for several months now and getting good results in getting those hotfixes. I may be busy in the upcoming months and I may not be able to get those remaining W98/WME hotfixes.

[Petr]

erpdude8, on May 13 2005, 06:06 PM, said:

Petr, be sure to get others involved in trying out sybesma's thread on requesting hotfixes from Microsoft.  I should not be the only one that has been taking action for several months now and getting good results in getting those hotfixes.  I may be busy in the upcoming months and I may not be able to get those remaining W98/WME hotfixes.
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Yes, I know, but so far I'm not sure if anobody would really need the FE SP.

I suppose to prepare the first version, based on Gape's SE SP 2.0, and then I will see what will be the feedback. Maybe W98 is really dead now, I don't know.

Petr

[erpdude8]

Petr, on May 13 2005, 06:23 PM, said:

I suppose to prepare the first version, based on Gape's SE SP 2.0, and then I will see what will be the feedback. Maybe W98 is really dead now, I don't know.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

you mean 98fe or 98se or all versions of 98. my aunt has an old laptop PC with 98fe and it still works well with most of the appropriate patches installed.

an unofficial 98fe sp? i might want to try it out someday Petr if it ever comes out.

-erpdude8