[Petr]

Gape, on Jun 27 2005, 02:05 PM, said:

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7. Add just only one file from Jet35sp3.exe (msjet35.dll) or the wohole update? So far I added just one file

Whole update or just one file... What's the matter?

I'm not sure what is better. Jet35sp3.exe installs more files - are they needed? And what if Office 95/97/2K/XP or other software is installed on the system?

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23. Replace Adaptec ASPI 4.60 by ASPI 4.71.2? Probably good idea, 4.60 is recommended ASPI layer for Windows 95 only.

Could you check this link ?

Hard to say. Selection of the right ASPI layer seems to be some kind of magic.

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24. Add so-called msinfo registry entries for fixes that are not required by Windows Update? I suppose YES but I'm not sure if there is any situation when they are needed.
25. Add QFECheck registry entries? I suppose YES but not sure in which way, whether every fix separated or one big entry for all files. This is good to see whwther any componet got accidently overwritten by older version or not.

Please, don't forget that bigger registry causes slower Win98. Maybe a few WinUpdate registries should not affect the system much, but generally Win98 users has low CPU and RAM resources.

I will test the registry size difference but I think it will be below 1%.... BTW, more serious may be low resources for big font files - but I have no idea if it really is.

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26. Add The Microsoft® Layer for Unicode™? Probably no, it seems to be useless alone.

Don't agree. Because if a program uses it (i.e. MSN Messenger), SP will update the Unicode Layer to the latest version.

Yes, it this case it has sense.

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27. Add complete vcredist.exe package from Visual Studio 6.0 SP5? YES
28. Add complete Visual Basic 5.0 Run-time Files? YES
29. Add complete Visual Basic 6.0 SP5 Run-Time Redistribution Pack? YES
30. Add complete Dial-Up Networking 1.4 package? YES
31. Add complete DCOM98 1.3 package? YES

Agree. But, SE SP has complete packages, too.

There seems to be some small differences, I don't know if they are important or not. Just try to install these packages over the SESP and you will see some differences. Again, I don't know if they are important.

Petr

This post has been edited by Petr: 27 June 2005 - 07:17 AM

[Petr]

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Gape, on Jun 27 2005, 02:05 PM, said:

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32. Import all relevant registry entries from KB835732 patch fror NT4? YES

Did I miss something?

There are many registry entries in this patch, and in case of first edition, not all of them are present already. Please check 835732rg.inf file in fesp201en package, this is complete list.

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What unified name to use for Windows 4.10.1998 and the Service Pack?

I recommend fesp201en or 98fesp201en.exe.

I already used it :-)

Thank you for your opinions.

Petr

[eidenk]

Just a few comments about ASPI. I haven't tried ASPI 4.70 on 98SE (I always used 4.60) but I have tried it on ME and I have ditched it quickly for 4.60 as it seemed to me it was a sucker. What I mean by this is that with 4.60 the rest of the system remains very responsive when accessing or rather working with optical drives which I find is not the case at all with 4.70.

This post has been edited by eidenk: 27 June 2005 - 09:03 AM

[wizardofwindows]

correct ived notice this aswell being a new version doesnt make it better it may help one os and hinder another trial and error .Never surrender 98 must live!!!

[MDGx]

Petr,

I've tried your alpha FESP on a "fresh" install of 98FE + IE 6.0 SP1 + DX 9.0c + MS Intellipoint Mouse 4.12.
Works ok so far.
Good job.

Because I have installed DirectX 9.0c prior to FESP, it prompted me to keep these files:
kswdmcap.ax
joyhid.vxd
which are newer than the ones from FESP.
Because I've installed MS Intellipoint Mouse drivers 4.12 prior to FESP, it prompted me to keep this file:
msmouse.vxd

1 minor annoyance [same as you mentioned]:
that mqrt.dll [Message Queue Run Time] dialog pops up the "cannot find" prompt, but installer finishes ok if box dismissed.
I was wondering why do u need to use mqrt.dll? Is it necessary for Gape's infex installer?
So far I've seen very few tools that use it.

Another thing:
I noticed you are using Gape's modded explorer.exe [also patched by Dr. Hoiby to fix 8-bit icons]. When one clicks the Start button, it shows the "Windows 98 Second Edition" banner, only if "Show small icons in Start menu" box is not checked in Taskbar Properties.
I fixed the BMP to show "Windows 98 First Edition" [71 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/spx/FEEXPLOR.ZIP
Please let me know after you downloaded the zip so I can remove it.
Replaced BMP using Resource Hacker:
http://www.users.on....resourcehacker/
New bitmap included in zip.

Keep up the good work.

[Petr]

Hi MDGx,

MDGx, on Jun 28 2005, 08:32 AM, said:

Because I have installed DirectX 9.0c prior to FESP, it prompted me to keep these files:
kswdmcap.ax
joyhid.vxd
which are newer than the ones from FESP.
Because I've installed MS Intellipoint Mouse drivers 4.12 prior to FESP, it prompted me to keep this file:
msmouse.vxd

OK, I will add ,32 not to show the dialog.

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1 minor annoyance [same as you mentioned]:
that mqrt.dll [Message Queue Run Time] dialog pops up the "cannot find" prompt, but installer finishes ok if box dismissed.
I was wondering why do u need to use mqrt.dll? Is it necessary for Gape's infex installer?
So far I've seen very few tools that use it.

It is installed by Y2kw98_2 update, maybe I could omit it.

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Another thing:
I noticed you are using Gape's modded explorer.exe [also patched by Dr. Hoiby to fix 8-bit icons]. When one clicks the Start button, it shows the "Windows 98 Second Edition" banner, only if "Show small icons in Start menu" box is not checked in Taskbar Properties.
I fixed the BMP to show "Windows 98 First Edition" [71 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/spx/FEEXPLOR.ZIP

Thank you, my mistake, I think I will keep the original bitmap showing "Windows 98" only. I used this patched version just for compatibility with Gapes's SESP, I suppose it will be changed in the next release.

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Please let me know after you downloaded the zip so I can remove it.

Downloaded, thanks.

Thank you for your review.

Petr

[Petr]

Requuest for opinion:

Q266772 contains:

  Date       Time    Version    Size    File name     Platform
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   7/11/2000  2:44pm  4.10.2000  25,600  Secur32.dll  Windows 98
   6/30/2000  6:19am  4.10.2228  59,904  Secur32.dll  Windows 98 Second Edition

Directory Services Client Update for Windows 98 contains just the 4.10.2228 version that is installed both on Standard and Second Edition.

So what should be in the FESP - 4.10.2000 (with newer date) or 4.10.2228?

Petr

[erpdude8]

Petr, on Jun 28 2005, 01:28 AM, said:

Requuest for opinion:

Q266772 contains:

  Date       Time    Version    Size    File name     Platform
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   7/11/2000  2:44pm  4.10.2000  25,600  Secur32.dll  Windows 98
   6/30/2000  6:19am  4.10.2228  59,904  Secur32.dll  Windows 98 Second Edition

Directory Services Client Update for Windows 98 contains just the 4.10.2228 version that is installed both on Standard and Second Edition.

So what should be in the FESP - 4.10.2000 (with newer date) or 4.10.2228?

Petr
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

better the 4.10.2228 of secur32.dll file, Petr. DCOM 98 has secur32.dll file v4.10.2177 and using 4.10.2000 may break v4.71.3328 of dcom98 and the W9x DSClient.

powercfg.cpl 5.0.3103.1000 does NOT work under Win98 FE, Petr. Tried using that and loading the Power Management control panel app in Win98 FE did NOTHING! So Powercfg.cpl v5.0.3103.1000 is for Win98 SE only AND the Q258680 patch is really meant only for Win98 SE (NOT FE).

This post has been edited by erpdude8: 28 June 2005 - 12:21 PM

[erpdude8]

Rather than include the Q199886 smartvsd.vxd fix in the 98 Standard SP:
http://support.micro....com/?id=199886
Include v4.10.2222 of the smartvsd.vxd file from 98 SE. Win98 FE does NOT include smartvsd.vxd BUT Win98 SE does. Ver. 4.10.2222 of smartvsd.vxd should work ok under Win98 FE.

[Petr]

erpdude8, on Jun 28 2005, 08:20 PM, said:

Rather than include the Q199886 smartvsd.vxd fix in the 98 Standard SP:
http://support.micro....com/?id=199886
Include v4.10.2222 of the smartvsd.vxd file from 98 SE.  Win98 FE does NOT include smartvsd.vxd BUT Win98 SE does.  Ver. 4.10.2222 of smartvsd.vxd should work ok under Win98 FE.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You are right that it works but it is available on Win98SE CD-ROM only - it would mean Win98SE license.

Petr

[Petr]

erpdude8, on Jun 28 2005, 08:02 PM, said:

better the 4.10.2228 of secur32.dll file, Petr.  DCOM 98 has secur32.dll file v4.10.2177 and using 4.10.2000 may break v4.71.3328 of dcom98 and the W9x DSClient.

So I have checked internal timestamp of the files
4.10.2000 (Q266772): 396BA333h -> 07/12/2000 00:44:03
4.10.2228 (Q266772): 395CAC8Ch -> 06/30/2000 16:19:56
4.10.2177 (dcom98): 36FC8E56h -> 03/27/1999 08:52:54
4.10.2177 and 4.10.2000 have exactly the same exports and imports, 4.10.2228 has 3 new exports:
DecryptMessage
EncryptMessage
SspiLogonUserA
These functions are not used by any other module.
There is an interesting MSKB article 286261 - Conflicts between the Active Directory Client Extension and Windows 98 hotfix files. I will keep 4.10.2228 in the FESP.

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powercfg.cpl 5.0.3103.1000 does NOT work under Win98 FE, Petr.  Tried using that and loading the Power Management control panel app in Win98 FE did NOTHING!  So Powercfg.cpl v5.0.3103.1000 is for Win98 SE only AND the Q258680 patch is really meant only for Win98 SE (NOT FE).

Yes, powercfg.cpl needsfunctions unsupported in FE versions:
batmeter,dll: DestroyBatmeter
pwrprof.dll: GetCurrentPowerPolicies
Do you think that it safe to keep in fesp just the desk.cpl? I suppose it could be OK.

This post has been edited by Petr: 28 June 2005 - 02:50 PM

[erpdude8]

Petr, on Jun 28 2005, 02:44 PM, said:

Do you think that it safe to keep in fesp just the desk.cpl? I suppose it could be OK.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

absolutely, Petr. The desk.cpl file from the Q258680 patch works fine under 98fe. I even put it on my WinME system and it worked w/out any problems.

[erpdude8]

Petr, on Jun 27 2005, 06:19 AM, said:

General characterstics:
1. This SP is based on Gape's SP 2.0.1 for SE.
2. Contains all available (to me) updates and hotfixes for Windows 98 Standard Edition including IE/OE4.01SP1
3. Added Windows Update Engine/Client 5.3.3790.13
4. Added updated fonts
5. New hotfixes common with SE: Q240896, Q896358, Q323708, Q314941,
6. Updated Jpegim32.flt, Html32.cnv, Msconv97.dll, Mswrd832.cnv, Mswrd632.wpc
7. Uninstall almost broken, similar to SESP.
8. Semi-slipstreaming should work, not tested
9. Preserving should work
10. Tested on W98 fresh install, W98+IE5.5SP2 and W98+IE6.0SP1, system appears to be functional.
11. I sure fogot something important :-)

Please test and let me know, it could be possible that some hotfixes cannot be used for all possible configurations.

Any success / failure reports are welcome.

Petr
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Q896358, Q888113, Q835732 patches require IE 5 or better. Those patches break IE 4.x. I know for sure if you run the Win98 Q896358 & Q888113 updates, they may still not work unless you are using Win98 + IE6 SP1. If using Win98, but using IE6, IE 5.5 SP2 or less, those patches refuse to install.

like to see ie4.01 sp2 or even ie5.x or 6.x integrated in Petr's 98 FE SP and Gape's 98 SE SP someday. sure the WinXP SP2 pack is massive (full sp2 pack is 280 Mb in size) but contains IE6 SP2, DX9.0c, MSI 3.0, WMP9, MDAC 2.8 SP1 & other addons included in one gigantic pack.

DSClient Q323455 Win98 update addresses many or even all the issues mentioned in MS article 283261. The older version of DSClient (included in Win2000 CDs) have the problems mentioned in article 283261.

[Petr]

erpdude8, on Jun 30 2005, 05:52 AM, said:

Q896358, Q888113, Q835732 patches require IE 5 or better.  Those patches break IE 4.x.  I know for sure if you run the Win98 Q896358 & Q888113 updates, they may still not work unless you are using Win98 + IE6 SP1.  If using Win98, but using IE6, IE 5.5 SP2 or less, those patches refuse to install.

Q896358, Q888113 installs if SHDOCVW.DLL is version 5.50.4807.2300 and newer - i.e. IE 5.5SP2+
Q323255 contains HTML Help 1.4 (5.2.3644.0) and will install for SHDOCVW 5.0.2014.213 and newer, i.e. IE 5.0 (no SP) and newer.
Q811630 contains updated HTML Help 1.4 (5.2.3735.0) and will install for SHDOCVW 5.0.2014.213 and newer, i.e. IE 5.0 (no SP) and newer.
Q896358 contains HTML Help 1.41 (5.2.3790.309) and will install for SHDOCVW 5.50.4807.2300 and newer, i.e. IE 5.5 SP2 and newer.
These are restrictions in the iexpress packages, but what is the reality?
I also don't know how to verify Q891781 DHTMLED.DLL 6.1.0.9231 functionality with older versions of IE, iexpress package will install if BROWSEUI.DLL version is between 5.0.2014.200 and 6.0.2900.0, i.e. IE 5.0 (no SP) to IE 6.0 SP2. But will it work with IE4? And is it important?
And how to verify Q888113 HLINK.DLL 5.2.3790.227 functionality?
Q835732 - it is backported patch from NT Workstation 4.0, in the system requirements, mentioned in MS04-011, there is no information about Internet Explorer version.
Is there any way how to verify the functionlity of updated files?
In fact, I think IE4 is useless today anyway.

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like to see ie4.01 sp2 or even ie5.x or 6.x integrated in Petr's 98 FE SP and Gape's 98 SE SP someday.  sure the WinXP SP2 pack is massive (full sp2 pack is 280 Mb in size) but contains IE6 SP2, DX9.0c, MSI 3.0, WMP9, MDAC 2.8 SP1 & other addons included in one gigantic pack.

It would mean much work with unknown result. As of FESP, I'm sure I won't do it. Several days I have put FESP to rapidshare and now there are 3 (!) downloads only - you, MDGx and maybe Gape. I suppose to fix the biggest problems and leave FESP as it is.

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DSClient Q323455 Win98 update addresses many or even all the issues mentioned in MS article 283261.  The older version of DSClient (included in Win2000 CDs) have the problems mentioned in article 283261.

Right, therefore all files are upgraded to Q323455 version. Maybe I should add also negotiat.dll, it is not in W98 bas install but if anybody has installed the old W2K client, it would be updated from 5.0.2195.1 to 5.0.2195.4784.

Petr

[MDGx]

Petr, on Jun 30 2005, 12:58 AM, said:

It would mean much work with unknown result. As of FESP, I'm sure I won't do it. Several days I have put FESP to rapidshare and now there are 3 (!) downloads only - you, MDGx and maybe Gape. I suppose to fix the biggest problems and leave FESP as it is.

Things I've done to help spread the word about your SP:
- I put a link at my front page [I have ~ 4000 unique hits/day]:
http://www.mdgx.com/
- I added a link here:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#SP1
- and here [98SE2ME forum]:
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=46349

Things you can do to spread the word:
- ask Gape if he would like to make your topic a "sticky".
- edit the 1st post here, add the rapidshare link and a few words about the SP at the top.
- email Jim or Tim @ MajorGeeks [they are buddies of mine, u can mention my name if u think it helps]:
http://www.majorgeek...m/page.php?id=2
- as you should email Danny Boss @ SoftPedia:
http://www.softpedia.com/
- email a few other high visitor hit count news web sites, I would suggest at least:
- WinXPCentral [Digital Dave is a buddy of mine, u can mention my name if u think it helps]:
http://www.winxpcentral.com/
- TechSpot [Thomas McGuire is a buddy of mine, u can mention my name if u think it helps]:
http://www.techspot.com/
- Fred Langa @ LangaList [Fred is a buddy of mine, u can mention my name if u think it helps]:
http://www.langa.com/
- PC World:
http://www.pcworld.com/
- Scot Finnie:
http://www.scotsnewsletter.com/
- Warp2Search:
http://www.warp2search.net/
- BetaNews:
http://www.betanews.com/
- NeoWin:
http://www.neowin.net/

Hope this helps.

This post has been edited by MDGx: 30 June 2005 - 06:56 AM

[Petr]

MDGx, on Jun 30 2005, 02:53 PM, said:

Things you can do to spread the word:

Hi MDGX, I suppose it is too soon to sent this alpha version to the general public. I need more test results before this. Too many files are updated, not the same as in SE package.

Petr

[MDGx]

Petr, on Jun 30 2005, 07:07 AM, said:

MDGx, on Jun 30 2005, 02:53 PM, said:

Things you can do to spread the word:

Hi MDGX, I suppose it is too soon to sent this alpha version to the general public. I need more test results before this. Too many files are updated, not the same as in SE package.

Petr

Roger that.

[Petr]

Small bugfix: http://rapidshare.de...1en-a2.exe.html
SFV: 4DE59716
MD5: 0abf6d68a3582af75072481a1395c2c3

Changes:
- negotiat.dll added
- powercfg.cpl removed
- kswdmcap.ax, joyhid.vxd, msmouse.vxd 1024 -> 1056
- esdi_506.98G removed
- mqrt.dll from SDK folder removed
- explorer without "Second Edition banner"
- use HKLM,%KEY_RENAME%\IO.SYS,,,%30%
- explorer.exe from ie4.01sp2
- wbemprox.dll update added
- atl.dll 1028 -> 1056
- small correction of KB article numbers in SPUPDATE.INF

Petr

[Gape]

Good work, Petr. I tested it briefly.

BTW, I am going to finish my master degree soon. So, I was very busy in the June. I hope I'll back to work on the SP after the July 8.

This post has been edited by Gape: 01 July 2005 - 09:02 AM

[wizardofwindows]

tAKE A BREAK ALPER ITS SUMMER!!!