Win98SE freez during installation (SATA Problem?)

[bhxshadow]

Hi, to all.

I am trying to install win98se(Arabic edition) on this computer:

MB: IWILL P4CT (chipset 875)

HDD: 200 GB SATA Maxtor

Ram: 512 MB

when installation process begins, it progress to second shutdown step. then when it tries to boot up again, system hangs.

I analysed bootlog.txt file and found that ESDI-506.pdr can not load successfully.

(Safe mode works properly). I removed esdi-506.pdr and restarted system. third installation step (after second shutdown) proceeded successfully, but after third shutdown step in installation process system on boot-up halted with no messge.

I returned esdi-506.pdr to its originl place (windows/system/iosubsys) but again during boot-up process system says (can not start NDIS device, windows not protected, you must restart windows). I think that this is a SATA problem, but neither on IWILL site nor the internet I found NO SATA driver for this MB. Any help? (newer version of esdi-506.pdr?)

Best regards.

[rjz]

II do not think any Windows 9x system is comp with SATA. I would try Windows ME, 2000 server or even xp. Support was dropped loing ago for 95 and 98.

[bhxshadow]

Thanks for reply.

What about WinME? Have anyone installed winME on SATA HDD?

[rjz]

I haven't but, I would think some hd manufactures would. Check out there web site. You would nedd to use a special floppy disk to get it to work or slipstream a cd. 2000 server/pro would be better. pro might also be supported.

[azagahl]

I do not think the ESDI-506.pdr will work with SATA, it is the standard hard disk controller driver.

Also note that you do not even want esdi506.pdr as it has a bug and will cause data corruption as soon as you write beyond 137 GB (it will start overwriting existing data at 0 GB). Partitioning doesn't help with this bug.

You should probably be using a special driver from the motherboard manufacturer. For example, I use a UltraATA 100 PATA IDE 200 GB hard disk on 98 SE. For my VIA motherboard I install the Via Hyperion drivers, and I end up using viadsk.mpd for my hard disk controller and NOT esdi506.pdr.

Maybe you can install the special drivers in safe mode?

[Fredledingue]

W98 system are compatible with SATA, provided the good drivers are installed during the w98 installation.

Of course if you don't get them...

[eidenk]

I have a serial ATA drive spinning under Win ME. A 250 gig one with 180 gig of uncorrupted data on it. It's not the install drive though. I don't think I could install Windows on it but I may be wrong about that.

Apparently it uses the following driver files (SCSI Controller) : Siisup.vxd and Si3112r.mpd. They aren't MS files and aren't in the Windows cabs.

[bhxshadow]

W98 system are compatible with SATA, provided the good drivers are installed during the w98 installation.

Of course if you don't get them...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where I must found accurate drivers? IWill support service says that their controllers don't need any special driver. is there any service pack for win98se to solve this problem?

azagahl wrote:

Also note that you do not even want esdi506.pdr as it has a bug and will cause data corruption as soon as you write beyond 137 GB (it will start overwriting existing data at 0 GB). Partitioning doesn't help with this bug.

what I must do? Maxblst software says that it can provide a spacial driver for solving 137GB problem. can I use this driver?

[Fredledingue]

try on these pages

http://www.station-drivers.com/page/promise.htm

http://www.station-drivers.com/page/iwill.htm

I think you must install the drivers before installing w98... maybe via a boot disk...

from another forum: (translated)

1) Take motherboard installation CD

2) Find directory for Serial ATA

3) Copy the 5 files on a floppy:

SI3112R.inf SI3112R.mpd SI3112R.sys SIISUPP.vxd

TXTSETUP.oem

4) If you don't have the CD, here is an address found on google: http://home.arcor.de/bluestormxs/S-ATA-Treiber/

5) In the BIOS, put in First boot: CDROM (to launch installation) and in Second boot: SCSI (apparetly the DD in Serial ATA needs it...)

6) Turn the PC on, with the installation CD

7) Type 'F6' at the beginning of the installation, when it asks if you want to instal the pilotes SCSI

8) Insert the floppy when it ask to...

[ssmokee]

I think that this is a SATA problem, but neither on IWILL site nor the internet I found NO SATA driver for this MB. Any help? (newer version of esdi-506.pdr?)

You dont need sata drivers in order to install 98se. You can install them afterwards if you want, but becareful because there are separate raid and non-raid drivers. Make sure you pick the right one. I have installed 98se to a sil3112 sata controller w/ sata hard drive a few times, and it worked like a top. The one thing that looks off is your hard drive. Are you trying to format that thing a one huge partition? I would be rather surprised if a new 98se install would support partition sizes >128GB. Try partitioning the disk with a single small partition at first, and just leave the rest as empty space. Id also recommend trying to install using a pata drive to make sure the problem isnt being caused by something else.

Check out this other thread here, and closely check post #22 by Petr.

[Eck]

On my A7V880, 98SE installed fine. It just needed to have first the Via 4-in1's then the Via Sata drivers to be installed as the first things to do after Windows is installed.

Now, keep in mind that 137GB limit. I did have problems on my 250GB Sata drive. I wouldn't use a HD that big with 98. Find a 120GB one. That'll work perfectly. It doesn't matter if you only show Windows just a portion of the drive. It'll still get messed up and start losing data on a larger than 120GB drive. There is a company that has made a patch for this, but you need to buy the commercial version to get more than just a few more GB out of it.

(Someone have a link if he wants that thing?)

Also, this motherboard has a built in Sata boot rom that must be turned on and also chosen as the boot drive in the boot order. I take it your using an sata adapter instead? If it works like my built in one, you should be fine with a smaller HD.

For XP, you DO need to have the driver on a floppy and hold down F6 when prompted to do so when Windows setup is loading. It won't ask for it right away, but as long as you held F6 down when asked, at some point after loading some setup files Windows will prompt you to press S to install the driver. I just need to choose the one for XP and setup copies the viasomething or other among the files it copies. Don't remove the floppy until Windows prompts you to remove all floppies before it is ready to reboot to begin its installation. Then, after you get the desktop, install your chipset drivers (4-in-1's for my board), reboot, then install the full Sata driver from its setup.exe. (You get the full package then.)

[scankurban]

most asus boards with ami bios,change ide options in the first page change value to compitable mode

[RJARRRPCGP]

If there isn't a fix for HDDs larger than 128 GB, (I hope there is!!! Can you please give a link to free fixes found?) look for a jumper setting to limit the HDD capacity to 128 GB or less, but that option (varies with HDD manufacturer)may jump down to a limit of 32 GB. (If you don't mind getting brand new HDDs then setting them to 32 GB with a jumper setting sometimes known as the cylinder limiter jumper. (or CLJ in the HDD manual) (read the HDD documentation for jumper setting information)