[Max_04]

@ Mdgx:

It's better to open a new topic, I don't understand more nothing.

[geoc]

I have 98SE2ME already on my PC.It works fine thank you!
how can I update "control.me"on this instaled 98SE2ME?
Thanks!

[dencorso]

Arminius, on Dec 19 2007, 03:30 AM, said:

I have been looking into the IPROP.DLL situation in part because I recently installed DCOM98 onto a 98SE computer and was confused about the best version to keep.
[...] I am leaning toward IPROP.DLL from ME being the correct version to use with 98SE2ME instead of the version from the official DCOM98.EXE or the WinNT4 SP6a version that is included in the UNofficial DCOM98 update despite the apparently higher version numbers. The ME and 98SE versions of IPROP.DLL are not identical and the ME version was released later.
Curious footnote on IPROP.DLL in DCOM98, IPROP.DLL is not included in the file list in the release notes (relnt98.txt) inside the DCOM98.EXE installer. One can only wonder why?

There is no question that iprop.dll v. 4.0.1381.326 is the highest version of iprop.dll to run correctly on Win 9x/ME. Here (link) is Peter's very lucid and quite concise explanation about version numbers. And as for different files bearing the same version (or even various versions of a file, whatever their version, in cases where version becomes suspect), you can order them from oldest to newest by using the file compilation time (a.k.a. PE Timestamp, link: read posts #912, #916 and #917, please).
While iprop.dll v. 4.0.1381.326 should be the file one should use, probably PE Timestamps do support your defense of the Win ME version, don't they?
I guess you've found another conundrum akin to the one concerning OLEAUT32.DLL v. 2.40.4522 vs. v. 2.40.4519...

This post has been edited by dencorso: 03 April 2010 - 04:18 PM

[the_guy]

I'd use version 326.

In fact, I'll most likely put that file in the next version of the MESP unless there's a newer version that also works on ME.

the_guy

[Arminius]

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. Tried out MiTeK EXE Explorer to see if I could reveal the PE timestamps but got Kernel32 page fault errors when I tried to start the program.

Hard to know why Microsoft released their files the way they did with older file versions being released with newer OS's and not applying updated versions across the board. I suspect some of it might have been "if it ain't broken don't fix it" or simply the knowledge the they were releasing some stable tried and true files in the hope it would be easier to track down bugs in some of the other updated files being shipped with the OS.

I don't have all the service packs for NT4 but SP3 contains yet another "version" of IPROP.DLL 4.0.1381.4 weighing in at 96,528 bytes, SP5 has IPROP.DLL 4.0.1381.190 at 96,016 bytes, and the version from SP6a 4.0.1381.326 regarded as the last release in the 4.0.1381.xxx line also weighing in at 96,016 bytes.

Now it is easier for me to see a clear order of progression from .4 to .6 to .190 to .326. At the end of the day it looks as though they all work in 9x but MS was fussier about IPROP.DLL being upgraded in the NT line than it was in the 9x line.

Sometimes MS appears to be sloppy about version numbers. A case in point, L3CODECP.ACM that was distributed with Media Player 10 says it is version 3,3,2,44 in the properties box but the internal version number reads 3.3.0.44. Go figure.

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On another subject:

I was trying to find an unmodded copy of EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 which is said to have come from the IE4SHL95.CAB that shipped with IE4.01 SP2. I have two copies of the official Win 98 SP1 on different magazine discs and and the IE4SHL95.CAB with that release of IE4.01 SP2 contains EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1700. I have also found IE4.01 SP2 on a few servers on the net and their IE4SHL95 cabs also contain 4.72.3612.1700. If anyone knows where I can find the intact IE4SHL95.CAB file with 4.72.3612.1710 please point me to it.


Thanks,

[WebMatze]

Updated French version 20071212 is here

HiH

This post has been edited by WebMatze: 20 December 2007 - 11:59 PM

[MDGx]

WebMatze, on Dec 20 2007, 10:59 PM, said:

Updated French version 20071212 is here

HiH

Many thanks [again ]:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#92M

* 98SE2ME: Unofficial Killer Replacements: ME -> 98 SE (free open source):
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#KRM9S
- 98SE2ME December 12 2007 [2.68 MB, French]:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/982MEFR.EXE

[MDGx]

geoc, on Dec 19 2007, 10:44 AM, said:

I have 98SE2ME already on my PC.It works fine thank you!
how can I update "control.me"on this instaled 98SE2ME?
Thanks!

Just do this:

MUST use Windows ME CONTROL.EXE 4.90.3001 Fix [128 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/CNTROLME.EXE
with Windows 98 SE ONLY IF already installed 98SE2ME options 1, 2 and/or 3:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#KRM9S
How to install CONTROL.EXE 4.90.3001 on Windows 98 SE:
1. Create C:\TEMP (example) from a DOS box:
MD C:\TEMP
2. Download CNTROLME.EXE (see above) into C:\TEMP .
3. Run:
C:\TEMP\CNTROLME.EXE /C /Q /T:C:\TEMP
4. Copy CONTROL.EXE into %windir% [%windir% = usually C:\WINDOWS] overwriting the existing one (if any).
5. Delete C:\TEMP .

HTH

[dencorso]

Arminius, on Dec 20 2007, 09:42 PM, said:

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. Tried out MiTeK EXE Explorer to see if I could reveal the PE timestamps but got Kernel32 page fault errors when I tried to start the program.

That's a pity. Never had any problem with it. Then your only easy option is to get Matt Pietrek's PEDUMP.EXE
I explained where to get the latest version here. You'll download PE.EXE, and this is a SFX installer, so you can simply open it with WinRAR, 7-zip or your favorite extractor program and get PEDUMP.EXE from inside it whithou any need to run the installer. After you get it try runing, from a DOS box <pedump <path/nameoffile.ext> | find /i "TimeDateStamp" | find /v "00000000">, where <nameoffile.ext> is the name of the PE executable which date you are interested in, and .ext can be .exe, .dll, .ils, .sys, .mpd or a lot of other file extensions. It only works on PE executables, but if you provide it with a file which isn't a PE executable it'll duly complain and exit.

Arminius, on Dec 20 2007, 09:42 PM, said:

On another subject:

I was trying to find an unmodded copy of EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 which is said to have come from the IE4SHL95.CAB that shipped with IE4.01 SP2. I have two copies of the official Win 98 SP1 on different magazine discs and and the IE4SHL95.CAB with that release of IE4.01 SP2 contains EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1700. I have also found IE4.01 SP2 on a few servers on the net and their IE4SHL95 cabs also contain 4.72.3612.1700. If anyone knows where I can find the intact IE4SHL95.CAB file with 4.72.3612.1710 please point me to it.

I have myself puzzled over this question for a long time too, and here I give you the result of my musings.

If you go to MDGx site, the last two lines of this page state the following:

Quote

Original (BUGgy) EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 installs as part of older MS
Internet Explorer 4.01 SP2 = inside IE4SHL95.CAB .

Then, by using PEDUMP as described above, getver and dir I compiled this table for the patched versions 1700 and 1710:

explorer.exe v. 4.72.3612.1710 size 171.280 PE Timestamp Mon Feb 08 1999 21:04:25
explorer.exe v. 4.72.3612.1700 size 171.280 PE Timestamp Sat Jan 30 1999 00:00:13

Now, you can get IE4SHL95.CAB from three different sources, AFAIK: IE55SP2, IE55SP1 and IE401SP2.
From each you can extract a version of explorer.exe, but you'll find that those from IE55SP2 and IE55SP1 are identical, according to fc /b. So this leaves us with just two different versions, which analysis is the following:

explorer.exe v. 4.72.3612.1700 size 171.280 PE Timestamp Mon Feb 08 1999 21:04:25 from IE401SP2
explorer.exe v. 4.72.3612.1700 size 171.280 PE Timestamp Sat Jan 30 1999 00:00:13 from IE55SP1/2

So far, these are the hard facts. Below is the explanation I concocted that, IMHO, satisfies all known facts.

I believe that explorer.exe from IE401SP2, originally versioned as 4.72.3612.1700 *IS* the unmodded original from which modded explorer.exe v. 4.72.3612.1710 was created, by adding the 256 colors patch and updating some of the icons. Its version was changed to reflect the fact that its compilation date is *newer* than that of the explorer.exe found in IE55SP1/2. A quick and dirty comparison of the relevant files using first eXeScope and then WinHex seems to support my conclusions.

So, AFAIK, you already have the file you are looking for. But this is just my opinion...

This post has been edited by dencorso: 21 December 2007 - 11:54 PM

[eidenk]

dencorso, on Dec 21 2007, 11:53 PM, said:

Then your only easy option is to get Matt Pietrek's PEDUMP.EXE

Actually there are other GUI tools for getting such information : PEView, PE Workshop, PE Informant, PE Viewer and probably yet some others.

Fortunately they are all freeware so I am not going to be instantly banned by MDGX for speaking about them.

[geoc]

I updated 98se2me with "controlme" . It works.
Thank you,MDGX!

[MDGx]

eidenk, on Dec 22 2007, 01:58 AM, said:

Fortunately they are all freeware so I am not going to be instantly banned by MDGX for speaking about them.

There is no problem if you don't promote your own commercial/shareware software here, over and over and over...

HTH

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

Hey MDGx, i wonder if you could help me with some issues i have with 98SE2ME.

It's extremely unstable, but hey, it's 98. I have yet to find a pattern for the instability, so i'll leave that for later. Right now i'm confronted with the following issues:

TeamViewer locks the system up a few seconds after opening it.

Unicode text display errors, such as below:




My system locale is set to Romanian. Can that be the problem? I have no problem switching to US English, just that i can't get used to the AM/PM clock.

[celtish]

I notice that 98SE2ME has not been updated or improved since early December. Will there be any more or has it reached the end of the line?

[MDGx]

Th3_uN1Qu3, on Mar 23 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

Hey MDGx, i wonder if you could help me with some issues i have with 98SE2ME.

It's extremely unstable, but hey, it's 98. I have yet to find a pattern for the instability, so i'll leave that for later. Right now i'm confronted with the following issues:

TeamViewer locks the system up a few seconds after opening it.

Unicode text display errors, such as below:




My system locale is set to Romanian. Can that be the problem? I have no problem switching to US English, just that i can't get used to the AM/PM clock.

1. 98SE2ME is built upon Windows 98 SE + ME English versions only.
I have not tested it with any other languages.
Complete details in ReadMe 1st:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/read1st.php

2. Windows 9x OSes may not recognize/work properly with Unicode applications.
MS introduced full Unicode support only in Windows NTx OSes: 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 2008.

3. The AM/PM clock can be tweaked to your liking, independent of language:
http://www.youthtech.com/techstuff/explore...pregionset1.htm

HTH

[MDGx]

celtish, on Mar 24 2008, 07:04 AM, said:

I notice that 98SE2ME has not been updated or improved since early December. Will there be any more or has it reached the end of the line?

Just because I haven't posted any updates since Dec 2007, that doesn't mean 98SE2ME is at an end.

As I said in other posts here at MSFN, I had a computer crash a while back, after which I had to build a new 1 from scratch.
So I'm still testing the new PC with Win98 SE [unstable right now]. And please don't tell me to use virtualization, it's not the same.
I've also been busy lately, so my computer projects are going at a much slower pace now.

I'll post a new version soon.
If I ever decide to end this project, I'll post the news here 1st.

Best wishes.

HTH

[MDGx]

Arminius, on Dec 20 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

I was trying to find an unmodded copy of EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 which is said to have come from the IE4SHL95.CAB that shipped with IE4.01 SP2. I have two copies of the official Win 98 SP1 on different magazine discs and and the IE4SHL95.CAB with that release of IE4.01 SP2 contains EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1700. I have also found IE4.01 SP2 on a few servers on the net and their IE4SHL95 cabs also contain 4.72.3612.1700. If anyone knows where I can find the intact IE4SHL95.CAB file with 4.72.3612.1710 please point me to it.

This is a question for erpdude8, he found it and then sent me the modded one.

HTH

[Th3_uN1Qu3]

MDGx, on Mar 26 2008, 02:25 PM, said:

1. 98SE2ME is built upon Windows 98 SE + ME English versions only.
I have not tested it with any other languages.
Complete details in ReadMe 1st:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/read1st.php

2. Windows 9x OSes may not recognize/work properly with Unicode applications.
MS introduced full Unicode support only in Windows NTx OSes: 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 2008.

3. The AM/PM clock can be tweaked to your liking, independent of language:
http://www.youthtech.com/techstuff/explore...pregionset1.htm

HTH

Only the regional settings are set to Romanian, every bit of the OS is in english. I'll try switching them and see what happens, but thing is that those programs work perfectly in another computer running a "clean" version of windoze 98, and only exhibit themselves on my laptop with 98SE2ME installed. Or maybe it's RP7 at fault?

I'll make a backup and reinstall the OS then the packs one by one, testing to see what causes the error. Then i'll post the results.

[MDGx]

Th3_uN1Qu3, on Mar 26 2008, 06:23 PM, said:

Only the regional settings are set to Romanian, every bit of the OS is in english. I'll try switching them and see what happens, but thing is that those programs work perfectly in another computer running a "clean" version of windoze 98, and only exhibit themselves on my laptop with 98SE2ME installed. Or maybe it's RP7 at fault?

I'll make a backup and reinstall the OS then the packs one by one, testing to see what causes the error. Then i'll post the results.

To my knowledge RP7 installs different "localized" [language specific] USER.EXE + SYSDM.CPL files for a bunch of other languages besides English.
You'll have to ask Tihiy which languages are included in RP7.

98SE2ME contains + installs only English files.

HTH

[Drugwash]

Make sure your theme fonts (Display > Properties > Appearance) are still the original ones (should be Central European if you installed the OS from the very beginning with regional settings Romanian). AFAIK, RP7 installs its themes with Cyrillic font encoding and that may be the issue.

RP7 also has a Compatibility option in file properties, if I'm not mistaken (haven't run it in a while). You may wanna try setting it to 'Windows98' for the affected applications, see if it helps.

There's also a tiny quirk in 98SE2ME that MDGx worked around by adding an option to keep/restore the fonts folder. In my experience, with a similar system (English with regional settings Romanian), I had to back up the original Fonts folder in Windows, install 98SE2ME, then restore the fonts folder. Otherwise the CE fonts were replaced by Western ones. This should now be possible from 98SE2ME options.