[Devil_666]

Just a quick thought,
Why does Microsoft always develop an OS that never works fully, i mean they always crash etc or have error's, i think Gates should just develop one OS and just release Add-on's for that Os and evolve it even more, instead of making stuff like ME that just gives you Blue screen every hour!

Ok fair enough XP is stable but i know many people who have problems, and also the fact that it runs best on NTFS file structure, but most proggys and games like to use FAT and win9x so comeon Bill lets sort this out!

[sedative]

Devil_666, on Dec 30 2002, 04:07 PM, said:

Why does Microsoft always develop an OS that never works fully, i mean they always crash etc or have error's, i think Gates should just develop one OS and just release Add-on's for that Os and evolve it even more, instead of making stuff like ME that just gives you Blue screen every hour!

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[FthrJACK]

lol think you hit the nail on the head there sedative.

makes you wonder... what flaws an imperfections in each version of windows are deliberate... if they are at all?

[zivan56]

Games and apps don't know what filesystem your operating system uses, they just use API's and procedures to load/create/modify files. You could run games with wine under Linux using the ext3 filesystem and it would not matter. The reason some games run only on Windows 9x is because they are DOS based (as is Windows 9x), and NT is not.

[Aaron]

Devil_666, on Dec 30 2002, 09:07 PM, said:

Ok fair enough XP is stable but i know many people who have problems, and also the fact that it runs best on NTFS file structure, but most proggys and games like to use FAT and win9x so comeon Bill lets sort this out!

I've yet to seen an app or game fail to run on my NTFS drives, bearing in mind I have played well over 50 different games on an NTFS filesystem.

IMO, i just find NTFS more faster on drives bigger than 30GB, and more reliable.

[MSNwar]

I think most people that have problems with XP are just not experienced computer users. "Operator Error" is one of my favorite terms for inexperineced computer users. How many times have you ran across someone that asked "NTFS, what is that?", or one of my favorites "How do you defrag the hard drive?" And these questions come from people that have been using the machine for 6 months or more! Once in a while I look at the machine as a favor and find failed software installations, a hard drive that had upgrades from Win3.1 > Win95 > WinME etc. and not one single clean installation. I have seen people try to eject the floppy disk when the green light is on, try to defrag the hard drive with applications running and so much more. Really, what do most people use the inet for these days? My son is a good example bless his heart. He comes home from school and starts the PC. Starts a MP3 download. Does his homework while WinAmp is playing something. After homework and dinner he burns his MP3s, stuffs the disk in his backpack, kisses Mom good night, hits Dad up for a few bucks for a few blank CD-Rs, and goes to bed. I ask him "Did you defrag this month?" Yea Dad, I'll get to it. Love that kid

[ThA_FiLeR]

MSNwar, on Dec 30 2002, 06:08 PM, said:

I think most people that have problems with XP are just not experienced computer users. "Operator Error" is one of my favorite terms for inexperineced computer users. How many times have you ran across someone that asked "NTFS, what is that?", or one of my favorites "How do you defrag the hard drive?" And these questions come from people that have been using the machine for 6 months or more! Once in a while I look at the machine as a favor and find failed software installations, a hard drive that had upgrades from Win3.1 > Win95 > WinME etc. and not one single clean installation. I have seen people try to eject the floppy disk when the green light is on, try to defrag the hard drive with applications running and so much more. Really, what do most people use the inet for these days? My son is a good example bless his heart. He comes home from school and starts the PC. Starts a MP3 download. Does his homework while WinAmp is playing something. After homework and dinner he burns his MP3s, stuffs the disk in his backpack, kisses Mom good night, hits Dad up for a few bucks for a few blank CD-Rs, and goes to bed. I ask him "Did you defrag this month?" Yea Dad, I'll get to it. Love that kid 

lol, I popped the floppy before while led was on.. and I always play some music while runnin a defrag.. lol anything wrong with that?

[FthrJACK]

Filer, are you MSNwars son? lolololol w00t

[Conan]

FthrJACK, on Dec 31 2002, 08:31 AM, said:

Filer, are you MSNwars son? lolololol  w00t

Ha-ha! I love it! w00t

[Drewdatrip]

Im not sure if the bugs are at all dalibtrate.....if you have ever built code from the ground up for such things as gaming, you would know that different configurations can lead to problems,errors, lag, and frezzes..and thats just a game. A OS is much more complicated, and for it to work with all the possiable hardware configurations is a very difficult feat...so i think ms is doing an ok job really....Xp has done me no harm and i have seen nothing but good so far....i think MS finally pulled their haeads out their asses..IMHO

=Drew

[LS_Dragons]

I believe that the 'instability' or flaws we run across in Windows is due to the generalist nature we demand of our PC systems. Look at something like X Box or PS2. These are very nice COMPUTERS - but they have an OS that is built to do a very specific thing. Thus - no BSD, etc. If you want absolute stability - get a calculator to do math, a typewriter to write on, a CD player to listen to music, a pencil and paper to create art, etc etc etc blah blah blah. When you think about all the purposes that are served by these MACHINES - it is pretty amazing - IMHO.

LS_Dragons

[FthrJACK]

dont forget Ls.. you CAN run linux on a XBOX

but yeah.. good point, your right. Ever seen inside an XBOX ? it really IS a pc inside!

[Rick]

While I do agree that making an OS that can handle everything is very difficult...but...but....they have a whole bunch of money...is that an underestimate? They have had years and lots of money to get this right and they are doing a pretty decent job but I believe that somebody can create an absolutely stable OS if M$ does not in the next 10 years.

Rick

[LS_Dragons]

Hey FthrJACK - I bet, if you tried hard enough, you could figure out how to get Windows running on it. And Rick, if you could limit applications to only those made by MS - you could probably get more stability - if not absolutely 100% stable. Another thing to remember - most of us on this board are trying out ALL KINDS of beta this and trial that etc etc etc. We are the last ones to complain about stability. :-)

LS_Dragons

[ThA_FiLeR]

FthrJACK, on Dec 31 2002, 12:35 PM, said:

dont forget Ls.. you CAN run linux on a XBOX

but yeah.. good point, your right. Ever seen inside an XBOX ? it really IS a pc inside!

Exactly, heres some pics from TechTV opening the X-Box.. http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtel...30,3089,00.html

[MSNwar]

LS has a very good point. Well said and if more people realized his point there would be less people bad mouthing Windows.

"Oh my God, I ran a 3rd party application and it crashed Windows. Windows sux." DUH!
"Oh my God, I downloaded warez from an unknown source and it crashed Windows. Windows sux." DUH!
"Oh my God, I am running a game coded for FAT 32 on my NTFS system and it crashed Windows. Windows sux." DUH!
"Oh my God, I paid $150.00 for WinXP Pro and my video card is incompatiable with it and it crashed Windows. Windows sux." ... Did you read the back of the box where it details the minimal requirements? Yea. Did you download the Windows Hardware Compatibility Wizard and run it before you paid $150.00 for XP? No. DUH!

Myself, I have experienced very few BSOD with all Windows Operating Systems. Win95 did have its moments I will admit. But XP is so stable it is unbelieveable. The only time I had a BSOD with XP was because of a bad stick of RAM. It was not XP that caused the BSOD. Its was hardware.

Now you say XP is too demanding on hardware. You have to have the latest hardware to run XP. No, this is far from the truth. The truth is someone snagged a copy of XP and are running it on something close to the quality of a Packard HELL built in the Pentium Pro era and they are trying to ... get thepicture.

Oh, and nice link FiLeR.

[ThA_FiLeR]

My XP only showed me the BSOD about 5times.. which is in all the time that I used it.. These were instances when I was messing with settings that go beyond normal.. Like overclocking/tweaking you're video card and cpu.. I've built several computers for people with XP installed, almost all of them vcalled me back thanking me for the job I did and I always ask em which they like better, (if they had an old os before that) they always said XP is just way beter and most of em also say its faster.. Never had any lockups/crashes on all the pc's I've built and fixed for other people...

[MSNwar]

ThA_FiLeR, on Jan 1 2003, 02:49 AM, said:

My XP only showed me the BSOD about 5times.. which is in all the time that I used it.. These were instances when I was messing with settings that go beyond normal.. Like overclocking/tweaking you're video card and cpu.. I've built several computers for people with XP installed, almost all of them vcalled me back thanking me for the job I did and I always ask em which they like better, (if they had an old os before that) they always said XP is just way beter and most of em also say its faster.. Never had any lockups/crashes on all the pc's I've built and fixed for other people...

leet baby ... leet