[Div5]

hello everyone! i am kind of new to these forums and i noticed they have a game section.

i was wondering if anyone plays cs source or halo 2? maybe share some tips and experiences?

also, if anyone is interested, my friend and i have our own clan at http://raven.2hell.com if anyone is interested in joining or challenging us.


o yeah - deagle owns all

[mf_y2k]

Div5, on Jul 18 2005, 05:30 AM, said:

o yeah - deagle owns all

Yes, it does!
I've been playing just with dealge + granades for last month (or more), but almost every time somebody calls me a cheater, because i get a lot of headshots...
I tink there is something seriously f*cked up with hitboxes, because sometimes a player is targeting at legs and he gets a headshot...
Ofcourse hitboxes in cs 1.x weren't perfect either, but there were not as much headshots as in css...

This post has been edited by mf_y2k: 25 July 2005 - 12:34 AM

[BombaTwist]

mf_y2k, on Jul 18 2005, 01:28 AM, said:

Div5, on Jul 18 2005, 05:30 AM, said:

o yeah - deagle owns all

Yes, it does!
I've been playing just with dealge + granades for last month (or more), but almost every time somebody calls me a cheater, because i get a lot of headshots...
I tink there is something seriously f*cked up with hitboxes, because sometimes a player is targeting at legs and he gets a headshot...
Ofcourse hotboxes in cs 1.x weren't perfect either, but there were not as much headshots as in css...
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the first time ive played the game, everyone kept calling me a noob and no wonder i couldn't kill! those hitboxes are way off!

well Here is a Video that reveals where the hitboxes are placed in CSS. =), that should increase you ration by alot =)

This post has been edited by BombaTwist: 18 July 2005 - 02:46 AM

[Technoguy]

well deagle's a rockin pistol.well if u r a noobie i advice u stick with USP(a bit larger magazine)well u can try this command in ur console cl_dynamiccrosshair 0(doesn't move crosshair at all)in rifles i really love magnum sniper and Bullpup

[Div5]

wow, i always thought the hitboxes were over the character graphics. this explains how people always snipe me before i see them

[Technoguy]

heh div5 there r many SPams in a map.most of noobies think that hiding behind a wooden thing is gud.well ur opponent can snipe u by just aiming at the wooden thing

[Zxian]

Wow... so that's how I always got killed without seeing the guy...

Are the hitboxes a hack? or are they accessible via the console?

[Technoguy]

well zxian the hitboxes r a hack i know many hacks for dust2,dust1,untitled1,etc...well i don't know but the person who creates the server on lan can type in a command from where he can c person's name who's hiding behind sumthin

[BombaTwist]

sv_cheats 1
sv_showhitboxes 2

try that lol.

[atomizer]

the hitboxes in HL and HL2 (and all mods) have been a joke since day 1. to my knowledge this is due to the way that VALVE decided to implement them; rather than a pixel perfect hitbox based on the player model, as in the Unreal engine, the HL boxes are more like a totally separate model that, as you can see, doesn't always jive with the player model. there has been endless complaining, statistics, papers, surveys, etc., on the hitbox subject and it really disappointed me when VALVE chose to use the same dumb-@$$ method of employing the hitboxes in HL2. the HL2 MP game is, IMO, is a really poor concept of what everything a MP game should be (lacks speed, too many weapons, poor choice of weapons, missing TAU, etc., etc.), therefore i can't imagine it ever being suited to any serious competitions. CS however is a different animal that *requires* very accurate aiming and it is used heavily in professional competitions. it seems rather strange that gaming organizations would even consider CS for a competitive game when the hitboxes are as screwed up as they are.

then there's STEAM -- VALVE's wonderful idea of bypassing the middleman to deliver content directly to you, the end user. in practice, STEAM is a great idea. in reality, STEAM is a *STEAMing* pile of manure and is the biggest reason i dumped HL. when i shell out big bucks for a top-rated game, the last thing i want to see is 3rd party advertising! much less not being able to play off-line when the STEAM servers are down... which is too often.

still, i will say this; if you haven't played CS or HL2 SP (single player), you may want to check it out. the HL2 SP episode with its fantastic graphics and physics far exceed the quality of any other game out there, including Unreal. that's a pretty big statement considering that VALVE had their source code ripped-off and delayed the release of HL2 for a LONG time. what is lacking is the "tweakability" of the Unreal engine which far surpasses that of any HL (Quake) or even the brand-spanking-new Source engine.

This post has been edited by atomizer: 22 July 2005 - 09:01 PM

[Div5]

personally next to hl2, i thought far cry was the second best shooter of last year. however in cs, it seems if i aim to the right of someone as they r strafing right, i kill them, but then ppl spectating in my first-person view say "OMG U H@X CUZ THERE WUZ NO PERSON WHERE U SHOT" and i get booted, lol. even though its a VAC server ppl still complain about hacks.

[Pikea]

Some of those kills on the video are ridiculous! But I can see some of them being necessary as when someone is running you want to shot in front of them so bullet and body meets. However, at close range or other situations that's not true and you get it by the built-in h4x0r!

[ssmokee]

atomizer, on Jul 22 2005, 08:54 PM, said:

the hitboxes in HL and HL2 (and all mods) have been a joke since day 1. to my knowledge this is due to the way that VALVE decided to implement them; rather than a pixel perfect hitbox based on the player model, as in the Unreal engine, the HL boxes are more like a totally separate model that, as you can see, doesn't always jive with the player model. there has been endless complaining, statistics, papers, surveys, etc., on the hitbox subject and it really disappointed me when VALVE chose to use the same dumb-@$$ method of employing the hitboxes in HL2. the HL2 MP game is, IMO, is a really poor concept of what everything a MP game should be (lacks speed, too many weapons, poor choice of weapons, missing TAU, etc., etc.), therefore i can't imagine it ever being suited to any serious competitions. CS however is a different animal that *requires* very accurate aiming and it is used heavily in professional competitions. it seems rather strange that gaming organizations would even consider CS for a competitive game when the hitboxes are as screwed up as they are.

I fully agree. Another thing that has always plagued me since I started playing CSS is the second buy menu that pops up occasionally and cant be closed. Im suprised it hasnt been fixed after this length of time.

[atomizer]

the second buy menu may be popping up due to some poorly written "anti-cheat" (not VAC i don't think) trying to query your installation and run commands/scripts. i could be wrong though, it's been a while since i left the HL scene. are you using a custom buy script?

This post has been edited by atomizer: 29 August 2005 - 07:12 PM

[ssmokee]

Nah, Ive never used any script for CS. I can buy everything I need in 2 seconds using nothing but the keyboard.

This post has been edited by ssmokee: 29 August 2005 - 07:19 PM

[atomizer]

if you like digging in and customizing stuff, any flavor of HL is extremely easy to tweak and write scripts for. the syntax is practically like regular speech! although the commands are very limited, there's a lot you can accomplish though.

[ssmokee]

If there is a script to close that stupid second buy menu I would be interested, but other than that I just havent felt the need to use any. What other games provide CS style action without the lame hitboxes?

[atomizer]

been awhile since i fooled with it, but here goes...

bind "key" "clsmnu"
alias clsmnu "wait;wait;wait;slot10"

copy that exactly, including the quotes, to your... uh... i think it's call "user.cfg" now? used to be "autoexec.cfg". just replace "key" with a keyboard key ("a", "b", etc.) that isn't being used for anything else. if it doesn't work, try adding more "wait;" statements. can bind to a mouse button if you want as well ("MOUSE1", "MOUSE2", etc.), or a key pad key ("KP_INS", etc.).

if that doesn't work, let me know
"clsmnu" is just an "alias" i made up. you can change it to anything you want (close_menu). just replace both instances. the "alias" statement tells the engine what "clsmnu" means.

oh, as for other games that don't suffer from the dumb hit box issues, the Unreal engine is the only one i know of. i'd guess there's more, but i never fooled with any. the Unreal engine, if i'm correct, uses the player model as the hit box, so it's pixel perfect. there's advantages and disadvantages to either method, but i think the disadvantages of the Unreal way out weigh the annoyances of the HL way. there's also some MOD for Unreal that is similar to CS. i tried it a little bit but didn't like it much. your millage...

This post has been edited by atomizer: 30 August 2005 - 12:25 AM

[ssmokee]

Thanks. I will try it out and report back.