[max06]

ok i ll try

thx

[max06]

doesnt work with 6.85, 6.70 and 6.66
works with 6.53
trying to include driver on cd now, ill tell u tomorrow if it worked

thx

edit: including .inf in nlite. adding 2drivers busdrv and raidclass in textmode (both HDC class) and no ide pnp, is that right?

This post has been edited by max06: 25 October 2006 - 05:10 PM

[Fernando 1]

max06, on Oct 26 2006, 12:56 AM, said:

edit: including .inf in nlite. adding 2drivers busdrv and raidclass in textmode (both HDC class) and no ide pnp, is that right?

Yes, and don't remove any driver or hardware support by nLite. Just integrate the both "requested" drivers as TEXTMODE, nothing else. You may disable the "Oem Preinstall" option.

After a succussful install you may update the PataRaid drivers with the 6.86 chipset driver package by running the Setup of this package or directly by driver update of the nForce4 Parallel ATA Controller and NVIDIA nForce RAID driver within the device manager.

Good luck!
Fernando

[yeomansinc]

Hi Fernando! You seem to be an extremely helpful person in all of this and no doubt I'll be posting soon (*Edit, which happens to be now!) for your assistance if you would be so kind? Been trying to setup a RAID 0 erray for the past 2 days now, and I'm starting to lose patience!

Firstly, rough spec...
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CPU - AMD X2 3800+ AM2
MOBO - MSI K9N SLi Platinum (nForce 570 MCP) Bios 1.3
RAM - 2x1Gb DDR2
GFX - 2xGainward 6800's PCi-e
Hard Drives - 2xWestern Digital Caviar SE16 250GB 2500KS Raid 0
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My bios settings are correct, I definately know that. 1 thing that does concern me is the fact that the "boot" option is greyed out within the NVraid F10 setup. Under boot, it just displays "N/A"...which worries me.

Anyhow, beforehand, F6 prompt didn't work and I'd get continuous BSOD's, despite what I put on the floppy.

Successfully slipstreamed nVidias 9.16 drivers (just the SATARAID, which automatically added the SATA_IDE too, Raid as Textmode and IDE as PnP) to a WinXP CD and it finally completed the whole installation (both GUIs)...only to restart just at the last second before loading "welcome to windows)...and then continue to restart. Won't boot in safe mode either.

I have tried the SATA drivers that are supplied on MSIs support website, which didn't work. The newest drivers from nVidia's website are the ones Im using, and I can't see any older drivers to use at all.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong here at all, but it must be something surely?

Any help gladly appreciated. The answer is probably in this thread somewhere, but it is 60 pages and I've had enough as it is!!

Thanks in advance,
Cheers
Rich.

This post has been edited by yeomansinc: 30 October 2006 - 06:34 PM

[Fernando 1]

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 02:32 AM, said:

My bios settings are correct, I definately know that. 1 thing that does concern me is the fact that the "boot" option is greyed out within the NVraid F10 setup. Under boot, it just displays "N/A"...which worries me.
Anyhow, beforehand, F6 prompt didn't work and I'd get continuous BSOD's, despite what I put on the floppy.

Maybe you have forgotten to set your RAID as first bootable hdd within your BIOS (Advanced BIOS Features > "Hard Disk Boot Priority").

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Successfully slipstreamed nVidias 9.16 drivers (just the SATARAID, which automatically added the SATA_IDE too, Raid as Textmode and IDE as PnP) to a WinXP CD and it finally completed the whole installation (both GUIs)...only to restart just at the last second before loading "welcome to windows)...and then continue to restart. Won't boot in safe mode either.

It seems, that the integration of the SATA_IDE subfolder done automaticly by nLite, isnot good for your chipset.
Do the following:
Copy the SATARAID subfolder of the 9.16 package somewhere outside the package. Then slipstream your XP CD again just integrating the lonely SATARAID subfolder. nLite should only pick up 2 TEXTMODE (S-ATA and RAID) and no PnP driver.

Good luck!
Fernando

[yeomansinc]

Fernando 1, on Oct 31 2006, 07:45 AM, said:

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 02:32 AM, said:

My bios settings are correct, I definately know that. 1 thing that does concern me is the fact that the "boot" option is greyed out within the NVraid F10 setup. Under boot, it just displays "N/A"...which worries me.
Anyhow, beforehand, F6 prompt didn't work and I'd get continuous BSOD's, despite what I put on the floppy.

Maybe you have forgotten to set your RAID as first bootable hdd within your BIOS (Advanced BIOS Features > "Hard Disk Boot Priority").

Quote

Successfully slipstreamed nVidias 9.16 drivers (just the SATARAID, which automatically added the SATA_IDE too, Raid as Textmode and IDE as PnP) to a WinXP CD and it finally completed the whole installation (both GUIs)...only to restart just at the last second before loading "welcome to windows)...and then continue to restart. Won't boot in safe mode either.

It seems, that the integration of the SATA_IDE subfolder done automaticly by nLite, isnot good for your chipset.
Do the following:
Copy the SATARAID subfolder of the 9.16 package somewhere outside the package. Then slipstream your XP CD again just integrating the lonely SATARAID subfolder. nLite should only pick up 2 TEXTMODE (S-ATA and RAID) and no PnP driver.

Good luck!
Fernando

Thanks for the swift reply Fernando, much appreciated!

With regards to boot order...bios does state that 1st is DVD, and 2nd is 'NVraid Stripe'. Thinking about it, maybe the reason why nVraid says "N/A" is because it's solely controlled by the bios?

I will give it a try when I get home from work later Just a quick one, when I slipstream the drivers should I use the single driver option, or multi driver folder one?

Also, is there any preference on what build of XP is used at all?

Thanks again

This post has been edited by yeomansinc: 31 October 2006 - 03:03 AM

[Fernando 1]

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 10:58 AM, said:

With regards to boot order...bios does state that 1st is DVD, and 2nd is 'NVraid Stripe'.

The "Hard Disk Boot Priority" (ranking of the hdd's) is something else than the rorder of "Bootable Devices" (CD-ROM/HDD/Floppy etc.). Look into your BIOS again. Your first bootable device has to be the CD-ROM/DVD device, because you want to boot from it, but your RAID should be set as first bootable Hard Disk Drive.

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Just a quick one, when I slipstream the drivers should I use the single driver option, or multi driver folder one?

Take the single driver option, because you will prevent this way, that nLite integrates not needed or even wrong driver folders.

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Also, is there any preference on what build of XP is used at all?

The best source is an original XP CD with integrated SP2. If you have an XP CD without any SP, you shoud integrate SP2 at first step, when you start creating your nLited XP CD.

[yeomansinc]

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The "Hard Disk Boot Priority" (ranking of the hdd's) is something else than the rorder of "Bootable Devices" (CD-ROM/HDD/Floppy etc.). Look into your BIOS again. Your first bootable device has to be the CD-ROM/DVD device, because you want to boot from it, but your RAID should be set as first bootable Hard Disk Drive.

Ahhh I see. Right, I'm *sure* it's already set up correctly, but can't remember off hand! Surely if it wasn't setup properly, it wouldn't boot after the second GUI ? ..or even the 1st? I'll have a check anyway

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Take the single driver option, because you will prevent this way, that nLite integrates not needed or even wrong driver folders.

Ah, then I've already done this for the SATARaid driver, so pretty much stuck.

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The best source is an original XP CD with integrated SP2. If you have an XP CD without any SP, you shoud integrate SP2 at first step, when you start creating your nLited XP CD.

Ok, that's what I'm using already. Although I am tempted to use an older XP SP2 which has no, or very little RAID drivers and slipstream them...only out of desperation!

Something's definately working somewhere, because beforehand it wouldn't get to the 2nd GUI and now it completes the whole installation! I've also tried installing XP with all intergrated peripherals in bios switched off, USB, firewire etc. Still didn't work.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong at all but something's not quite right! I will check the bios though.

This post has been edited by yeomansinc: 31 October 2006 - 03:58 AM

[Fernando 1]

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 11:58 AM, said:

Not sure what I'm doing wrong at all but something's not quite right! I will check the bios though.

Have you checked, if the boot sector of your RAID array is on drive C:?
Many problems with freshly built RAID arrays are due to the fact, that there is somewhere (within one of the hdd's of the array) an old boot sector remaining from earlier OS installations.
It is a good idea to delete all former datas of the hdd's by doing a low formatting before creating the RAID array.

[yeomansinc]

Fernando 1, on Oct 31 2006, 10:32 AM, said:

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 11:58 AM, said:

Not sure what I'm doing wrong at all but something's not quite right! I will check the bios though.

Have you checked, if the boot sector of your RAID array is on drive C:?
Many problems with freshly built RAID arrays are due to the fact, that there is somewhere (within one of the hdd's of the array) an old boot sector remaining from earlier OS installations.
It is a good idea to delete all former datas of the hdd's by doing a low formatting before creating the RAID array.

Everytime I've been trying to install Windows, I have removed the RAID erray via NVRaid and re-created it, which asks if I want to clear the data in which I respond "Y". Also in the first GUI installation section, I create the partition and do a quick format. Previously, I have done a full format too just to make sure. I think doing both of them methods is surely removing everything?

Thanks for all your replies BTW Can't wait to get home and give it another go.

[Fernando 1]

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 01:33 PM, said:

Also in the first GUI installation section, I create the partition and do a quick format. Previously, I have done a full format too just to make sure. I think doing both of them methods is surely removing everything?

No, if you really want to erase all datas (especially the hidden datas written by any OS), you have to do a special way of formatting ("low format"). This takes more time than the "normal" formatting.
But as you have already written, you obviously have done a "low format" before you created the RAID array.
It is not a problem to use the "quick format" option, when you are going to install a new OS replacing an already existing Windows partition, but you should not take this option, when you are going to install an OS the first time.
Another idea: Did you really unplug all storage devices outside your RAID array (USB stick, Floppy, Card Reader etc.) before you begin with the XP installation? The XP setup routine does not like RAID arrays. If it finds any other possibility to get the OS installed, it tries there first.

[yeomansinc]

Fernando 1, on Oct 31 2006, 11:59 AM, said:

yeomansinc, on Oct 31 2006, 01:33 PM, said:

Also in the first GUI installation section, I create the partition and do a quick format. Previously, I have done a full format too just to make sure. I think doing both of them methods is surely removing everything?

No, if you really want to erase all datas (especially the hidden datas written by any OS), you have to do a special way of formatting ("low format"). This takes more time than the "normal" formatting.
But as you have already written, you obviously have done a "low format" before you created the RAID array.
It is not a problem to use the "quick format" option, when you are going to install a new OS replacing an already existing Windows partition, but you should not take this option, when you are going to install an OS the first time.
Another idea: Did you really unplug all storage devices outside your RAID array (USB stick, Floppy, Card Reader etc.) before you begin with the XP installation? The XP setup routine does not like RAID arrays. If it finds any other possibility to get the OS installed, it tries there first.

Yeah I did already do a low level format, but only the once as it takes a small part of my life up! However, I did do it before I started slipstreaming Windows, so might give that a try to, or could use WesternDigital's tools to write 0's to the drives. I will do a low level format, and add that to my list

Literally everything that is connected is the 2 drives and a DVD-RW, nothing else is outside the RAID erray. I might take the jumper out the DVD-RW tho, as it's coming up as 2ndary IDE (which is what it was before the RAID erray, as I had an IDE hard drive and 2xSATA drives.

What I'll do when I get back, is create another slipstreamed CD using only the driver in the SATARAID folder, and burn that. Check that everything in the bios is setup correctly, and redo the raid erray in NVRaid. Then do a low level format when I run the windows installation.

If needs be, I might try another Windows CD.

I'll let you know how I get on! Cheers mate.

*EDIT* I've had another random thought actually...a couple of things have changed since my last format a while ago
a) A new monitor, which is connected via DVi. During windows installation, the screen does literally move halfway down the monitor so I can't see it. I think I'll temporarily go back to analogue, just to be careful.
1.3 bios flash, which seems to have sorted an issue during windows installation, I think anyway. Last time I installed windows it'd stop with 37mins to go asking for the HD audio drivers for my soundcard, but pressing cancel is enough and it will carry on without them. So I'm guessing they've solved that issue.

I might even take out a GFX card, as it's in SLi.

Only another 5 hours to go....

This post has been edited by yeomansinc: 31 October 2006 - 07:16 AM

[temporalwar]

I've had problems with my disks, when I make one, works great on all nforce series with sata,(AMD) but the last Nforce416X intel machine I built, it would boot loop during the install.
(ASUS P5N32-SLI SE DELUXE)

any suggestions?

I'm going to try to use the latest Intel Nforce 590 driver for my next disk set and hope it works.

This post has been edited by temporalwar: 04 November 2006 - 04:44 PM

[Fernando 1]

temporalwar, on Nov 5 2006, 12:43 AM, said:

I've had problems with my disks, when I make one, works great on all nforce series with sata,(AMD) but the last Nforce416X intel machine I built, it would boot loop during the install.
(ASUS P5N32-SLI SE DELUXE)
any suggestions?

Try to integrate just the SATARAID subfolder of your used chipset driver package (without additionally integrating the SATA_IDE subfolder). To prevent the automaticly running integration of the SATA_IDE subfolder by nLite you should store the SATARAID subfolder outside the chipset driver package.

[vh14a]

sucessfully installed windows nforce 3 250gb using new method no f6 drivers needed.

[Fernando 1]

vh14a, on Nov 8 2006, 05:12 PM, said:

sucessfully installed windows nforce 3 250gb using new method no f6 drivers needed.

That's very interesting.
Which chipset driver package did you take for the nForce SataRaid driver integration?

[vh14a]

I used the MIE'S Nware and extrackted only the SATARAID as text mode
And automaticly the SATA_IDE was inported as IPE ALSO I ADDED THE NEWEST nvidia 93.71 video driver.
I did have the setup fail whenI tried to add other drivers in network and sw driver. Also make sure you take the cd out for the re boots and than put it back in. For some reason, My system dosent like to boot properly if the cd is in thr cd rom after the initial install.

[Fernando 1]

vh14a, on Nov 9 2006, 05:09 AM, said:

I used the MIE'S Nware and extrackted only the SATARAID as text mode
And automaticly the SATA_IDE was inported as IPE ALSO I ADDED THE NEWEST nvidia 93.71 video driver.
I did have the setup fail whenI tried to add other drivers in network and sw driver. Also make sure you take the cd out for the re boots and than put it back in. For some reason, My system dosent like to boot properly if the cd is in thr cd rom after the initial install.

Thank you for the clarification. So it is obviously possible to get the newest nForce SataRaid drivers installed onto an nForce3 chipset system.

So this is what other users with an nForce3 SataRaid system should do:

• Download Mei's latest nWare Release (x86), which is a "Unified Driver Package" and contains the newest nForce SataRaid drivers modded for nForce2 and nForce3 chipsets. You can get this driver package here. To get the driver subfolders ready for the later integration, you have to "install" the package somewhere or to extract it with 7z.
  
• Then start nLite and integrate the IDE\WinXP\SATARAID subfolder of Mei's driver package as TEXTMODE driver and the IDE\WinXP\SATA_IDE subfolder as PnP driver (will be automaticly done by nLite v. 1.2 or higher).

[vh14a]

Fernando 1, on Nov 9 2006, 08:34 AM, said:

vh14a, on Nov 9 2006, 05:09 AM, said:

I used the MIE'S Nware and extrackted only the SATARAID as text mode
And automaticly the SATA_IDE was inported as IPE ALSO I ADDED THE NEWEST nvidia 93.71 video driver.
I did have the setup fail whenI tried to add other drivers in network and sw driver. Also make sure you take the cd out for the re boots and than put it back in. For some reason, My system dosent like to boot properly if the cd is in thr cd rom after the initial install.

Thank you for the clarification. So it is obviously possible to get the newest nForce SataRaid drivers installed onto an nForce3 chipset system.

So this is what other users with an nForce3 SataRaid system should do:

• Download Mei's latest nWare Release (x86), which is a "Unified Driver Package" and contains the newest nForce SataRaid drivers modded for nForce2 and nForce3 chipsets. You can get this driver package here. To get the driver subfolders ready for the later integration, you have to "install" the package somewhere or to extract it with 7z.
  
• Then start nLite and integrate the IDE\WinXP\SATARAID subfolder of Mei's driver package as TEXTMODE driver and the IDE\WinXP\SATA_IDE subfolder as PnP driver (will be automaticly done by nLite v. 1.2 or higher).

Yes exactly , this works.
I still am not sure what driver caused me the problem when I added the sw, network. and audio driver.
I am gonna try removing, I think, the audio driver and see what happens later today.

[vh14a]

OK, (nforce 3 250 gb sata raid no f6 needed)
removed the audio driver
inserted the IDE\WinXP\SATARAID subfolder of Mei's driver package as TEXTMODE driver and the IDE\WinXP\SATA_IDE subfolder as PnP driver. sm driver, mem controler driver, Gart driver, network driver, and video driver.(all from Mei's driver package accept the video driver.)
Setup installed sucessfully and is running perfictly.