My dear Clasys, I think you are just a troublemaker.
First you haven't yet come up with your list of 30 updates that are now 36 for IE which should be easy as you claim to have made a special installer for them that automatically reboot after each one. But no after that you say you don't remember which ones they are and call for the help of Gape, ERPdude or MDGx to tell you what are their KB numbers :
Second you accuse Petr of going off topic when in fact the one that is off-topic since the beginning is you, as this thread is about Gape's service pack which is not concerned by IE6 updates as far as I know :
In a prior post in this thread, I outlined two of them, although I would have to research the KB numbers. Perhaps Gape or erp or MGDX can give the specific references. I may be able to find at least one of them, but frankly, this is old business of this forum and not up for debate, etc.]
Your list of updates to 98FE notwithstanding, the subject matter of this topic is updates to IE and OE that need to be applied after installing IE 6.0 SP1, and show verification of installation by observing the help/about in IE. There are at least 36 such updates.
Actually, my dear eidenk, it is YOU who are the troublemaker. I will elaborate:
What actually came FIRST is all of the following:
MANY people contributed to the service pack 2.x release as it stands now. I am happy to say I am one of them. Specifically, if you would care to look within the installation notice when you install it, you will find specific reference to me as a contributor, and not just someone such as yourself, who appears to think this forum consists merely of what you stumbled upon, not the long list of contributions by many who predate this entire subtopic going back now about 11 pages.
Certain of us "have a life" and as such, sometimes we cannot devote enough time to this forum and would rather ignore it entirely until such a time we can devote proper attention to it. This applies to significant others on this forum who are even larger contributors than I am. [BTW, count of messages posted is NOT an indicator of any measure of contribution to this project; additionally this does NOT include PMs sent between members, some of which applies in my case with some of the other "principals" of this project, etc.]
As such, I re-announced myself, as did others who know me. We all felt the project needs more attention, so here we are.
I introduced the topic of what IMHO is an open topic for discussion still unresolved. In this case, it is yet again bringing up the notion of updating IE/OE with its well-known [to members of this forum back when a lot of the grunt work that became SP 2.x was being performed] long list of updates. There was a discussion about this; essentially it was tabled in favor of getting the main event done, which is sort of where we are now. Thus, I felt it was a good time to reintroduce the topic.
Apparently you missed that discussion. As such, you don't have a right to criticize just how others make reference to it. It's all in the back pages of this forum. I already indicated that. It's up to you to find out what YOU missed, not mine to inform you. Towards that end, I indicated that I may be able to recall the KB article of one of the problem cases if I find the time. Having to deal with your intrusion into this forum with no desire to catch up on old topics well known to some of us is taking up some of that time.
I also asked if some relevant others, such as erp or MGDX could recall the relevant articles, since perhaps they are better equipped than I am to recall such things. I admit I am overwhelmed in this area, since I am attempting to keep track of at least all of the following:
Hundreds of updates to WinXP Service Pack 2
Hundreds of updates to Win98SE
Hundreds of updates to WinME
dozens of updates to IE/OE
Sorry if I cannot be the master of my own domain. This is why I come to a forum, to both contribute and learn. Learn by my example, and familiarize yourself with what's already been said so as not to waste the time of people here who have already put a lot of effort into this project.
Oh, and the list of "merely" 36 updates? The reason I use the number 36 is because back when I had more time to follow the list, back about 3-4 months ago, that was the number that applied THEN. I could only venture a guess as to how many more there are. I am hopeful that others, not you, have taken up this particular baton and know how many more to add to that number. I would really like to have definitive answers for any potential "newcomer" updates, which I would assume is a relatively small number, but currently unknown to me because I simply haven't had the time, up until now, to even be a responsive member of this forum. [Note: I have been active in other forums, including other MSFN forums, but my attention just got too stretched to cover all the bases; for that, I apologize for circumstances only partially under my own control, etc.]
As to attempting to use Petr to advance any theories about me, I will address him separately, as he is not you.
There seems to be a confusion about installation of hotfixes generically as opposed to the IE/OE-specific problem. Petr posted a bunch of 98FE hotfixes as an example of what he knows. There is nothing wrong with that; he is basically admiting what he DOES know. However, since the subject of THIS thread is what belongs on the 98SE service pack, clearly his list belongs elsewhere, and specifically there is a nice thread where it DOES belong sticky to this forum.
However, Petr's information doesn't address a long list of hotfixes for IE/OE 6.0 SP1 specifically, so I will assume he has little incremental information regarding this particular sub-topic.
The inclusion of IE 6.0 SP1 and its updates within the SP 2.x is IN FACT an ORIGINAL subject discussed months ago and predates any discussion of 98FE at all! IMHO it needs to AGAIN be addressed now; I did NOT merely raise this as a new issue, but rather as an OLD one that needs to be rethought. If no one wants to talk about it, that's fine, especially when I have come up with a [barely!] acceptable method of dealing with this problem, which I believe others are also interested in.
You have a curiously out-of-context quote of me that references two specific updates that are CURRENTLY part of the SP 2.x. You make it sound like I invented them as well. In point of fact, they were discussed among the "senior" members of this forum. They were, but no longer ARE, sore points that highlight the fact that Microsoft's hotfix installers are sometimes broken. At least one of them also interacts with the installation of, among other things, IE/OE 6.0 or IE/OE 6.0 SP1. The SP 2.x addresses these and installs them correctly AFAIK. I can confirm personally that one of them does install correctly because the problem does NOT lie with the underlying hotfix files, but rather with bugs in Microsoft's installer program within the hotfix; the SP 2.x simply does not use that broken code, thus gets the job done by a functional equivalent method, etc.
Clearly, the discussion of these two updates is directly on-target for this forum, but also are not specific to the subject of IE/OE updates. You insisted on some hypotheticals being discussed; I pointed out cases where reality differs from theory, one of the many subtopics discussed on this forum successfully, and at this point long put to rest and need not be discussed further unless someone, other than you, wants to post additional information. For myself, I do not wish to, since it is available in the forum's back pages, as a resolved issue. It is sufficient I raise existing examples as to why what you posted could be questionable, etc.
I'm glad you admit to "AFAIK" with regard to the IE/OE SP 2 inclusion topic. Clearly you should admit you don't know. The problem is that those of us who were here when a lot of subjects such as this were discussed DO KNOW. Do you think it's fair to impose your not knowing on us who do know merely because you didn't participate in the discussion and we did? I apologize if I cannot have photographic knowledge of the back pages of this forum, especially considering what I am dealing with for myself, etc. However, as crude as it might or might not be, I understand one can research material already discussed on this forum. Perhaps you can enlighten us as to how effective it actually is to do such research?