[Link21]

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Where there is a will there is a way.

There will always be poeple running windows 98 on all systems. If it isn't possible it will be made possible by the large community of windows 98 users. Games even if written only for '2k/xp' will eventually be modified to work on win9x very shortly after it's release providing the fanbase of both the game(s) and the unsupported os (supposedly) have a big enough strive to do it. That strive is very often there in excessive quantities. The MSN forums here and the development of windows98 and linux for example are all great examples of that.

So, if there is a will, there is a way. What about the fan base of Windows 3.1 that wants to run new games released only for 2K/XP on Windows 3.1? Are you telling me that they will make it possible as well? If there is a will, there has to be a way right? So why hasn't it happened with Windows 3.1? Since it hasn't happened with Windows 3.1 except maybe for so very old and early Windows 95 only applications, it means that it won't always be possible to run 2K/XP only games on 9X no matter how hard the fan base and large number of users from the community try to make it happen.

So, can DirectX 9 be installed on Windows 95? If there is a will, there is a way right? So it must be somehow possible to make many of these games and applications run on almost anything because if there is a strong will, there is a way? What do you think?

[wizardofwindows]

i think your one man crusade to rid the planet of the evil dos infected 9x family.Whether a game maker decides to make it all platform is added up to cost it cost very little the installers there check box orcra msi editior does it matter .you dont lose fuction performance on a game because of the installer u knob.win98se is what it is we try to make it better for the 9x fans which is why were in a9x forum.sure program could be made for a xp forum i think its called nlite lol but were in here to save 9x not praise xp u tard.Have a nice day.

[miko]

Link21,
i think when i finally invent a machine to kick people in the balls via the internet not only will i make a fortune but you'll be the first to know.





note to any passing mod - i'm trying to be polite and that was ment as a joke.

This post has been edited by miko: 18 October 2005 - 08:51 PM

[Jlo555]

We are not talking about windows 3.1 here; that os is irrelevent in the discussion, because that OS is primairly 16-bit code and could barely run any new programs after 1996. The step from win3.1 to 95 is most likely gonna be like the switch from XP to Vista; some new, innovative things will run, but MS will try to faze out all old OS's quickly.
If it wasn't for Microsoft, directx 9 would run on windows 95. I'm sure it would've ran perfectly on win95. Just like you said that if the OS is good enough, it should still recieve support regardless of age. We (obviously not you) feel that it is still a worthwhile OS and should still recieve support.

[Link21]

miko, on Oct 18 2005, 08:47 PM, said:

Link21,
i think when i finally invent a machine to kick people in the balls via the internet not only will i make a fortune but you'll be the first to know.





note to any passing mod - i'm trying to be polite and that was ment as a joke.

Whatever!! What a jerk to say something like that. I simplied asked about Windows 3.1 and the if there is a will there is a way would apply to almost anything.

So just STFU while you are at it!!

This post has been edited by Link21: 18 October 2005 - 09:10 PM

[Link21]

Jlo555, on Oct 18 2005, 08:47 PM, said:

We are not talking about windows 3.1 here; that os is irrelevent in the discussion, because that OS is primairly 16-bit code and could barely run any new programs after 1996. The step from win3.1 to 95 is most likely gonna be like the switch from XP to Vista; some new, innovative things will run, but MS will try to faze out all old OS's quickly.
If it wasn't for Microsoft, directx 9 would run on windows 95. I'm sure it would've ran perfectly on win95. Just like you said that if the OS is good enough, it should still recieve support regardless of age. We (obviously not you) feel that it is still a worthwhile OS and should still recieve support.

I doubt going from Windows XP to Vista will be the same as going from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95. I hope Windows XP/2000 stay around a long time after Vista is released. Heck, why would Microsoft have released a 64-bit version of Windows XP only earlier this year if it would be phased out so fast after Vista was released? I don't see how much better Vista is going to be than XP other than a super bloated pretty GUI. I think the jump from anything Windows 9X to Windows 2000/XP was far bigger and more necessary than moving from XP to Vista will ever be. There were 32-bit extensions to Windows 3.1 that made it able to run some 32-bit Windows 95 applications.

People can do what they want and all Windows 9X supporters. What I want to bash is the fact hardware and software vendors who supported Windows 98/ME for way to long on high end hardware and software. Let Windows 9X/ME be used for what they were intended for which is legacy games and applications. They should have never had a place for high end software and hardware ever since Windows 2000 came about. I had badly hoped and dreamed of seeing Windows 2000/XP only and optimized high quality games as far back as when Windows XP was first released.

Let Windows 9X be used for what it was made for. That is running old and legacy software by today's standards. Hardware and software makers should have taken that path three or more years ago when it comes to resource intensive hardware and software.

[Jlo555]

You are very narrow minded if you think that all that windows 9x can run is "legacy applications" and crap like that. The DOS kernel continued to have the same problems with crashes and freezes all the way through windows Me, but it became more developed and usable as time went on. With your logic, the DOS kernel should've died after windows 3.1, or better yet, windows should've ran on NT only. All you think win98/95/whatever is capable of is small-coded apps like solitare or word 97. I don't believe that one bit, and there are tons of other users out there that don't believe that either. Of course, I do play games like solitare and use word 97 sometimes, I can also play GTA: San Andreas and Doom 3 under windows 98 perfectly. (Bear in mind, both those games were only designed for win2000/XP because of narrow minded individuals like yourself.)
With your way of thinking, Windows 98 is nothing more than DOS+Windows 3.1 with a revised GUI.

[Link21]

Jlo555, on Oct 18 2005, 10:07 PM, said:

You are very narrow minded if you think that all that windows 9x can run is "legacy applications" and crap like that. The DOS kernel continued to have the same problems with crashes and freezes all the way through windows Me, but it became more developed and usable as time went on. With your logic, the DOS kernel should've died after windows 3.1, or better yet, windows should've ran on NT only. All you think win98/95/whatever is capable of is small-coded apps like solitare or word 97. I don't believe that one bit, and there are tons of other users out there that don't believe that either. Of course, I do play games like solitare and use word 97 sometimes, I can also play GTA: San Andreas and Doom 3 under windows 98 perfectly. (Bear in mind, both those games were only designed for win2000/XP because of narrow minded individuals like yourself.)
With your way of thinking, Windows 98 is nothing more than DOS+Windows 3.1 with a revised GUI.

I didn't exactly say that. What I meant by legacy are games made in 2000 and earlier designed to run on a mid Pentium III or lower class computer. Windows NT core was by far better as systems got faster. That is why Windows 9X should have been dropped all together once systems got fast enough. So when I say legacy, I meant games designed to take advantage of the latest hardware at the time when the best hardware was mid end Pentium III or less.

Windows 3.1 couldn't take advanatge of any hardware past a Pentium I.

Windows 9X has evolved and I suppose can run some of the later games maybe even well. But still, the NT based OS is far better and more appropriate for all hardware and resource intensive programs produced in the last few years.

[miko]

Link21, on Oct 18 2005, 09:07 PM, said:

miko, on Oct 18 2005, 08:47 PM, said:

Link21,
i think when i finally invent a machine to kick people in the balls via the internet not only will i make a fortune but you'll be the first to know.





note to any passing mod - i'm trying to be polite and that was ment as a joke.

Whatever!! What a jerk to say something like that. I simplied asked about Windows 3.1 and the if there is a will there is a way would apply to almost anything.

So just STFU while you are at it!!

personal abuse is against the MSFN forum rules you receive one warning then a instant ban. you obviously decided to ignore the part about it being a joke much like you've ignored most of the informed replys in this thread you insist in dragging out into you continuing vendetta against windows 9X inside the 9X support forum, your on very thin ice i would shut up if i were you if you wish to be able to continue to visit the nLite forum you seem to like so much. ends.

[kartel]

WINDOWS 98SE here and it runs better than 2000pro and xp pro i spent alot of time trouble shooting all three and 2000 is xp without the eye candy.
You know people will deny the truth even when you tell them it. There will allways be people with more money than brains that can pretend whats up.
Anything new is gonna be NOT SECURE and you all know that. with terrorism and freaks its all changing quicker than you may notice with "new updates"
IF YOU ARE SMART you will back up all the good updates on roms and treat the 98se disks like the first copy of spiderman
I'm thinking of getting a Xbox and leave my computer the way it is
peace all

[wizardofwindows]

i agree kartel ,theres alot u can do on 98se sure its not xp but u strip down xp go classic theme etc u basically have 98se but with a 9x kernel.

[Crash&Burn]

Everyone should just put Link21 on the Ignore list, though I imagine that wont stop from seeing his posts. Everytime I see one of his posts in this forum its the same rehashed s***. 98sucks, NT is better blah blah blah blah blah.
Personally I've just stopped reading his posts.

[Jlo555]

If he calls the DOS kernel a POS again, I'm ignoring his posts also.

[xper]

OK. That's enough. Calm down people or get banned.

[wizardofwindows]

is the only thing different on a game when installing is the installer. ived hear of guys hacking the installer with a msi editor and unchecked boxes that dictate what os 2 use or not use is this possible to do 2 more games?

This post has been edited by timeless: 24 October 2005 - 05:15 AM

[Link21]

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Where there is a will there is a way.

There will always be poeple running windows 98 on all systems. If it isn't possible it will be made possible by the large community of windows 98 users. Games even if written only for '2k/xp' will eventually be modified to work on win9x very shortly after it's release providing the fanbase of both the game(s) and the unsupported os (supposedly) have a big enough strive to do it. That strive is very often there in excessive quantities. The MSN forums here and the development of windows98 and linux for example are all great examples of that.

You can try and run it on anything you want, but the question is, will it always suceed? There are no 9X drivers for the latest chipsets and video cards. Sure you can installk it, but how will you be able to utilize them if there are no drivers?

As for games written for 2K/XP only, it will depend on the game and why it won't install on Windows 98 to determine whether it is possible or not to modify it to make it work on Wndows 98.

This is not a flame or a bashing of 9X, but rather a quation as to how the community will be able to do it for the latest hardware (chipsets and video cards) if there are no 9X drivers for them? Can it be done?

[Jlo555]

To be honest, I have no idea what us win98 users will do once all support for hardware is cut off. It is inaccurate to state that there's no chipset driver support for windows 98 anymore, because I just bought an Abit motherboard, which all the drivers for Win98/Me/2000/XP (that includes Win98 Gold as well.) Also, most of the new drivers for chipsets for older OS's, even win2k, suck, and for win98, the drivers REALLY suck. IMO, most of the "support" is already gone. The only reliable support for win98/Me is THIS forum, really.

[wizardofwindows]

here here

[Link21]

Jlo555, on Oct 24 2005, 07:56 PM, said:

To be honest, I have no idea what us win98 users will do once all support for hardware is cut off. It is inaccurate to state that there's no chipset driver support for windows 98 anymore, because I just bought an Abit motherboard, which all the drivers for Win98/Me/2000/XP (that includes Win98 Gold as well.) Also, most of the new drivers for chipsets for older OS's, even win2k, suck, and for win98, the drivers REALLY suck. IMO, most of the "support" is already gone. The only reliable support for win98/Me is THIS forum, really.

I meant no chipset drivers for the newest and latest chipsets like the NVIDIA NForce 4 and Intel 9XX chipsets and above. There were Windows 98 drivers for the NVIDIA NForce 3 and below and the Intel 875P chipset and below. As for video cards, there were drivers all the way up to the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 series video cards and the ATI Radeon 9800 series video cards (X300 maybe?). I think Windows 9X drivers stopped after those video cards? Correct me if I am wrong.

[wizardofwindows]

link my man if i had a board with those cards etc of course i use xp to fully optimize my system but the way i see it alot of hardcore 98se users dont maybe lowend p3s a few p4s so i guess there never need drivers for cards they cant drive lack of ddr ram slots etc lol.But seriously if u run 98se same 4 2000 there are limitation roadbocks a few twist and turns.The piont is 2 get the most outta the system u have as mdgx says the neeeed for speed getting the last once of speed though tweaks patches etc.its not about beating the jones or being first on the block with vista its about making do.we cant all afford to update we dont all have a tech savy mind .What this forum and msfn as a whole offer is a remedy that average ham n egger can deal with.you use the os that best runs in your system period. I love this place ived learned so much a vast potpurri of knownlegde the programs tweaks are super .hell i remember my first time in here i found some logo 4 98 xp look and thought i hit paydirt never mind 98se2me sp 2.2 etc .telling people stop using 98se in a runabout way is pointless ask a 95 diehard lol or a w2k to switch ,fat chance.let enjoy the forum let contribute lets help the newbie out everyone in here has benefited in some small way dont u think. party on dude . long live 98se.......