[Davor]

Hello

Can anyone enlighten me with real benefits of nLite. I am rather sceptic about it.

Besides installing/uninstalling components you like/want (as far as you can see the point in that ) is there anything else? I can't seem to get the point?

Greets
Davor

[atomizer]

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nLite Features

- Service Pack Integration
- Component Removal
- Unattended Setup
- Driver Integration *
- Hotfixes Integration **
- Tweaks
- Patches ***
- Bootable ISO creation

* - Textmode (CD Boot) and normal PnP
** - only new type 1 hotfixes (for example XP post SP2)
***- supports generic SFC, Uxtheme, TcpIp and Usb Polling patching.

So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86 all languages. Windows Vista will be supported as well.

[trickytwista]

hi, useful for many things, removing unneeded components/services/slipstreaming/tweaking/making xp faster, absolutely alsorts of things, cheers, twista

[Davor]

SP integration ... eum, that no benefit, -> you don't need a program for that.

Component removal ... eum, most components are already available for removal. I don't see any point in removing 'standard" software as it only leads to problems because som programs are linked (example outlook express/MSN4). Anyhow, maybe nice for someone who want's a highly personalized computer?

Unattended setup ... eum, look in deploy.cab or something like that. it's contains a wizard for unatended setup. Also some pre-deployment tools like factory.exe

Driver integration... well, also posible manualy and maybe more timeconsuming.

Hotfixes integrtions .. same as for SP's.

Tweaks...kinda?

Pathces... i rather cal those hacks

Botable ISO creation ... eum, anyone has a image burning wizard (nero/...) . Take bootimage from any bootable wincd, no emulation,boot 4 secotrs and burn... there it is.

Most the thing you get you already have on your system... so whats the point? Maybe it's yust me: can't stand to have 5 programs that do the same.

Greets
Davor

This post has been edited by Davor: 03 September 2005 - 03:51 PM

[ripken204]

dont put down nlite, it is an amazing program. it was designed for someone to do alot of things to their windows installation disk without having to use alot of different programs. have you ever even used nlite?

[wizardofwindows]

the benifits of nlite you say all the above reasons. example just 2day i nlited i sound like a junkie iam a nlite junkie lol ,i mase my 10th nlited cd why 10 trail and errors anyhow i stripped the hell out it and iso burn and it installed from start to finish clean formatted install only 10 minutes increbiable.if u remember 98lite quite a craze then fast forward to 2005 nlite enuff said.

[Davor]

No, i never used nLite. Reason why i begun with this topic is because i see so many people here mentioning nLite in their posts. So i wanted to see what it was. And to my dissapointment i don't see it so shiny as most of the people here. All i see is a costomization program that add's nothing, but all it takes is your time to remove the stuff you apparently don't need from the original and so to customize your system.

my experience with windows is: if you don't understand it, don't touch it. and the fact is, there is no-one who understands all the differents asspects of an OS these days. XP is made as a whole, and the fact that you don't have the possibility/option to remove someting has it's own reasons that sometimes go beyond the monopoly of MS. In other words, customizing the system that isn't opensource seems to me like asking for extra trouble.

Ah well, don't mind me.

Greets
Davor

[Asin]

I've never used nLite myself as I like to do things on my own. But from the screenshots, what I can tell is that nLite is a user-friendly interface for beginners that would prefer not to sift through craploads of documentation just to get things right.

It allows for the beginner or even intermediate and advanced users to use just one program, to learn just one program, and to do pretty much everything that they can do with Windows XP with just one program.

[ripken204]

wow davor, so you are saying that getting rid of something in windows that you dont want is in some way illegal because that is what is sound like? we all use nlite mainy for getting rid of what we dont want so that our windows runs faster, installs faster, and takes up less space. if you dont want to use it then stop complaining and dont use it. if your other methods work fine for you then just use them.

[Davor]

no ripken204. I never used word 'illegal'. Your twisting my words. The whole point in "getting rid of stuff" (what i was saying in previous post) is dangerous because, in 95% of the cases, you don't know exactly enough what you are "getting rid of".

You'r system will probably take less space, install faster, wil run 'faster' , but in despite of what?-> you don't know for 100% sure. Also, what you don't consider as a vital service now, doesn't mean you won't need it tomorrow.

No, i am not complaining, i started this thread in expectation for someone to enlighten me. So far, only Asin contributed to that part a bit.

[atomizer]

and whatever you do, NEVER tear the tags off mattresses either!

[bonedaddy]

One of the advantages of starting out here @ MSFN and learning the basics of making an

unattended CD\DVD, is when a program such as nLite comes along and makes that whole

process so much easier and faster..........one really appreciates it.......the other advantages for

me are faster install, and faster OS, using fewer resources.........thanks to all those who make

it easier, faster, prettier for me........

Nuhi
vcBlackbox
Gnome\Boooggy
Fritz_Saxi
Bryanh
RyanVM
Biohazard
Xpero
Mhz
Team WPI
LaptoniC
diesel__98a
Mike__Wilson
maxXPsoft
jdoe - I just love CAB Tools for SendTo folder (fast expand and makecab)

these are just a few of the members that write great programs or batch files or what ever, but it all helps.............thanks all of you

BD

This post has been edited by bonedaddy: 04 September 2005 - 08:43 AM

[agonified]

Dear Davor,
Are you an administrator? Do you deal with tens of new pc's to be installed every day? Do you consume lots of time with installing favorite applications, device drivers to a newly instaled windows?Are you planning to sell your costum pc's with your custom Windows to express people with it's ease? Do you help your friends with their crashed Windows? Do you have a low specific pc with 128 mb ram, 4 gb HDD, celeron 400-500???
If not, nLite is not for you!
nLite is not for home users...It just simplifies all the job for administrators/computer sellers. For each set of (100-200) pc's, nLited windows setup is miracle...
You should not be understanding this concept...

[Clint]

I personally don't use nLite anymore but I know this:

1. It can help you to minimize your footprint...(good if you have a old laptop with only 2Gb harddrive for ex.)

2. It can help you to cut down on boottime..(less stuff to parse and start)

3. You can "design" a install disk for a specific purpose...I have a minimalistic 210mb 8cm disk in my chestpocket that has the tools and bare essentials that I use when checking out new computers..(read old laptops)...it installs in 6-8 min depending on hardware....if you calculate the time I cut everytime I'm making big bucks..!

Bottom line is: XP or any Operativ System isn't a live creature or something to "be cautious" with...it's a engineered product like anything else, that can be plucked down to pieces with only your skill, knowledge and persistence stopping you....then put together in any configuration and for any function you desire. It is not "alive". Sometimes it seems like ppl have the strangest relation to this, "protecting" files and batches that are based on already invented components and configuratons like it is their GF or pet or something.

EDIT: heh, that last sentence came out funny...girls and pets..no pun intended girls.

This post has been edited by Clint: 04 September 2005 - 05:50 AM

[Davor]

Hello

agonified, if I have tons of pc's, I don't think about 'installing' but about 'ghosting/imaging'. Booting up, extracting image from the server is done in a few minutes. Win PE environment offers all you need, imaging programs you can download.

I only see it VERY useful for special installations for low spec 'computer-like' hardware. But for things like that i rather go with open source software (linux,...)

As for Clint, i agree with you if you say

Quote

"Operativ System isn't a live creature or something to "be cautious" with...it's a engineered product like anything else, that can be plucked down to pieces with only your skill, knowledge and persistence stopping you"

--> but thats only REALY true for open source programs. With windows, you are limited to only 'components' and tons of reference books, no code. So basicly: you delete something, you'r left with trial/error if something doesn't work as expected, and looking into the roots of a problem, with even an unmodified windows, can be very time-consuming.

Greets
Davor

[Thauzar]

Ee... where do I start

First for someone opened and only wishing to understand, you seem pretty stiff and closed minded on why nobody should use nlite. And you got a lot of things wrong cause you never even tried it.

First of all, any person using nLite should inderstand at first how do to an UA cd... there's a manual for that and the manual is not nLite oriented. So YES there is other ways to do the same thing without nLite... SO WHAT?

Now you say oh I use this and that, use deloy tools for the unattended part blablabla.... nLite does the same exact thing with 5 clicks of a mouse so why bother splistreaming SP2 with long commands in command-prompt, or integrate hotfixes manually, or even writing your own winnt.sif. nLite is a time saver here.

And now the main point.... you seem so frustrated and OH MY GOD WHY REMOVE COMPONENTS WHEN ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE bouhouhou you are crazy mofos for wanting that... Take a deep breath, stick your nose out of your a** and THINK! Don't you think nuhi didn't thought about that? Did you at least used nlite once to realise the critical stuff you need to use other components are MARKED IN RED so unless you are stupid, or want to test some experimental feature, you better stick with removing what you KNOW will not break your OS. It's not because the option to remove component is there that this is an obligation to use. For my part I only remove windows messenger and guided tour!

So in résumé, nlite is a great program to do something other programs can do. It is fast and easy to use for anyone with a basic in making ua cds. You have lot of customisation options, you can remove components and add tweaks and patches BUT NOBODY FORCES YOU DO TO SO! I used the tweaks to reduce the size of my tweaks.reg file (and to be sure I don't double tweak the same thing). As for patches you so call hacks. Except for the winntbbu.dll and the tcp which are real patches, everthing else i'm sure is a function microsoft knowingly implemented, like if bill gates wanted the adds when he installs xp... like if any microsoft IT installed microsoft with the GUI to "learn" about movie maker 2...

Being skeptical is not a bad thing, like when someone tells you he saw jesus at the grocery store, or that he invented the best antivirussoftware ever but can only show it in videoconference. Doubt is not bad. But here you don't seem like someone who doubts, you seem like someone who doesn't want to accept the idea that there is not only HIS way of doing things, yes you can use only one program to do the same job, yes you can use nlite without removing harmful components and yes it IS faster to do a ua cd with nlite than without. Try it, test it, and THEN complain about it.


Oh and I don't have many computers, and I still must add something. Ghosting multiple pc is a good solution IF YOU HAVE THE SAME PC!!! Like in a school where all labs have computers bought in batch with all the same pieces in it. You can ghost windows from one clean install onto everyother computer and yes it's faster than installing. But this is not always the case, some companies bought 5 computers one year, 5 more 2 years later, than 7 more last years, and 3 kickass top of the top computers this year. How do you want to ghost all those 20 computers that do not have the same specs, parts, drivers, etc. Your answer is a short view one, intended to give yourself the point in the argumentation. But again,if you stick your head out of your a** and look around there is NOT ONLY YOU AND YOUR LITTLE PERSON. If nlite is useless to you, if you prefer to clone your pcs because you can do so, FINE, go for it. But I'm really skeptical about the pseudo-"arguments" you gave in trying to put down nlite, while calling this "understanding"


Cheers

[Clint]

Scary stuff,..this fanatism.

[Thauzar]

I'm not a fan, in fact I haven't used nlite for a year before this weekend cause I didn't need to do a UA cd. I just hate when people say things they don't really know and try to "understand" while putting down what does not confirm their beliefs. I know it looks like a big argument but it's just a side effect of being a philosophy student. I learned to do a structured and well knit argumentation (or at least I try to most of the time).

A fanatic would force everyone to use nLite, and that's not at all what I said. Unless you can find me that bible page with the 11th commandment, "Thou Shalt use Nlite to Honour your God"

This post has been edited by Thauzar: 04 September 2005 - 07:41 AM

[boooggy]

oogh... i like when people get into flames.....
i am a nlite user also an nlite tester....but i will not try to bring any arguments for using it or not...
cause i belive in FREE WILL>>>>

[albator]

Davor, on Sep 3 2005, 03:33 PM, said:

Hello

Can anyone enlighten me with real benefits of nLite. I am rather sceptic about it.

Besides installing/uninstalling components you like/want (as far as you can see the point in that  ) is there anything else? I can't seem to get the point?

Greets
Davor
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Do do unattended ? No one has comment that nlite is a tools for creating an unattended xpcd. And it does a lot more, In fact in my opinion it's a wonderful software for security and reducing footprint.

With Nlite I save a lot of time installing windows on pc, And I dont even have to click anything, I can troubleshoot a other one while windows is installing

PS: The doubt that you have about nlite is surely because you never had an unattended xpcd.