[bledd]

component removal and SATA driver integration are the things I value from it most


my xp install is around 600mb now, fully functional, without any of the crap that xp installs -most if it you can hide but not fully remove in xp, but nlite totally gets rid of them, like system tools, useless functions and msn explorer etc, just give it a whirl before putting it down and notice the difference in speed

[Thauzar]

Since I got a dvdwriter, I don't even bother with driver integration and go with BTS's full set of driverpacks. Those are great!

But still, whenever the need to have an unattended windows cd comes, even if it's not filled with apps and stuff, at least installing with SP2 slipstreamed and the most current hotfixes is a must nowadays, adding an AV soft with current virus dev is also not bad with all those worms and stuff out there.

boooggy, on Sep 4 2005, 08:09 AM, said:

oogh... i like when people get into flames.....
i am a nlite user also an nlite tester....but i will not try to bring any arguments for using it or not...
cause i belive in FREE WILL>>>>
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Next time I'll put more smileys everywhere....

This post has been edited by Thauzar: 04 September 2005 - 08:50 AM

[gdogg]

lol, nlite rox

its simple, effective and starts you on the path to windows enlightenment

rofl

sorry i had to say that

[wizardofwindows]

more smileys a must lol.sure u can just install xp full no tweaks etc ,most people i know just home users never heard of nlite ryans pack etc could care aless just load xppro and their happy bloat and all.then theirs the power user always tweaking hacking making the fastest stable intergated os known too man the nlite crowd,armed with a iso geared to unattented install xp too their liken.Now i use nlite im always looking to make the smallest usefull iso of xo i can got my lastest down to 700mb installed not bad but i had to remove media player display drivers modem drivers etc etc ,not a big problem for me ,in fact it install in like 10 minutes pretty sweet but alot of my friend love xp for one reason it finds and installs most drivers for most hardware a no brainer for the novice windows user,i guess not knowing about nlite aint so bad just install an os and be happy with it.in a forum theirs always confusion and flaming always omeone who swears their way is law or if u dont do as they have your a lamer behind the times and so on ,hell i no folks uing 98se who refuse to try xp cause there contend with a os they undrstand,so maybe everyone uses a program for there own personal needs and why agrue to them about it,i love nlite i loved 98lite i think any program that saves time and can tweak remove enhance a os is valuable a tool as well to whats in a os and what you can and should not remove.so try it out its not for everyone but it is the coolest program in its gender ived ever used that,ll ne 5 bucks nunhi lol

[Thauzar]

Until this morning, I never had heard of 98lite.... You mean all those years before nlite, I could have had an unattended 98 cd? I would have had so much fun when I was 14 if I had known that.

[Davor]

albator, please read the whole post before posting.

can't argue bledd, he's never wrong

I'l write down my conclusions and you won't see me back in this thead

Thauzar, I never said "that nobody should use nLite" and other things that you pretty much have 'blown up', and other things about those "same pc's" is simply not true, because there is only 1 standard IDE driver, good enough to boot up all your pc's, and the rest will configures while booting. On the OTHER hand, whats wrong with having a server with basic images of some 50 different pc's in an orgaization that has 150pc's? Waste of disk space?: not in these days. About other things i will not go into detail; haven't got the will.

It's nice you are a philosophy student, so am I. The first things they drilled in us about 'giving arguments' is to first fully understand the persons arguments which you are arguing. In other words, try to put yourself in his/her shoes. As a fact, personally, this is one of my biggest fears: I would feel literally a moroon if I argued someone without Understanding enough what he is taking about. In my opinion, you fail here.

But don't take it hard: it's just an opinion with reasons stated above.

I THINK that nLite is a very good tool, but only for admins, advanced users who use it's options for purposes that are REALY needed. Shrinking windows for limited HW resources and simple driver implementation are really useful IMO, but all the rest is nothing 'new'. My biggest sceptisizms about nLite is just because of THAT fact, and also because of the fact that i prefer 'in package' programs above others. (in onther words i don't like having 5 programs on my machine that do the same.)

Orindary users/tweakers talking about their nLite and XP machine let me thing on the following:
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Once I had problems with memory, went to corsair forums and saw guys posting:
first guy: "My bandwidth is 2600Mb/s"
other one: "No s***, with this and this I managed to get 2610Mb/s"
first guy: "Noooo, you serious. I want that too!!"
...
last one: "You'r all nOObs. I have 2700Mb/s!"
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Now, the last guy is probably well behind the nOObs because the nOObs have a newer system, and the timeless tweaking continues.
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I feel like I am past this stage ~~

After all this, i conclude i don't need nLite as a tool, but it doesn't mean i will never need it. As for the developers, keep up the good work

Greets
Davor

This post has been edited by Davor: 04 September 2005 - 12:07 PM

[Thauzar]

Well im sorry if I did not understant TOTALY but you know what? I'm not in your shoes, and you should know better that it's impossible to get a real grasp at what was the real intention of somebody when they speak. And in the best of my knowledge, I put myself in your shoes and realised based on your arguments, that following a question about why using nlite... you where only downing every argument one after another. I simply gave you a complete answer about why you should use nlite, but it you have other programs doing the same thing great for you, you don't need it, and then don't use it. But don't come and say I'm a morron...

Cause you did not understant enough either what I was saying, because I was only trying to answer a question you asked about why nlite was usefull (the exact question was about the benefits of using nlite beside components removal, and you just didn't seem like you wanted to see it's usefull for many thing at many levers for many people, not only admins.... simply because "there is other ways to do it...".

Even if it's useless and only for fun, if a noob want to have an unattended cd, with nothing else than plain windows xp gold and no components removed. well go for it for all I care... the program served it's purpose. End of skepticism, question answered, then the choice is yours to use it or some other program (cause there is always other ways to do it) and you seem like you've made yours... good for you!

[fdv]

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if you don't understand it, don't touch it.

Yup

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and the fact is, there is no-one who understands all the differents asspects of an OS these days.

Nope
There is a great (and growing) number of us who understand the components in the Windows operating systems very, very well.

[Innocent Devil]

nLite is nice tool for reducing the source

it can remove apps that bundled with the os ---so remove what usr dont need
it makes thr installation faster

[Tylerpestell]

Davor

I have yet to use nLite but it seems like it would be a very nice program. I very much like the Idea of it and will give it a try. I think your percentages are a little off though ... there are many things that you can safely modify in Windows and if you just go to Microsofts site you can find a lot of information about how it works for the most part. Since when has windows worked a 100% off the shelf anyways?? (I have restarted windows machines too many times for someone to sway my opinion)

I have made a lot of changes to windows succesfully and it work perfectly ... not nearly 100% of the time ... more like 50% of the time but I am very curios of what can be changed and can't. I would rather not just be complacent and press the accept button on what Microsoft deems should and should not be on my computer. ... I like my room clean too ... and organized .. obsesive compulsive disorder ... maybe but by god windows will be fine tuned for my needs!!

nLite seems like it will make the process easier ... just installing and having all the stuff suited to my needs instead of installing than making changes. :-)

My 2 cents (more like $1.76)

[flyingpants]

Davor, on Sep 3 2005, 05:23 PM, said:

in 95% of the cases, you don't know exactly enough what you are "getting rid of".

You'r system will probably take less space, install faster, wil run 'faster'  , but in despite of what?-> you don't know for 100% sure.
<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

nope. removing the yellow dog, and things like TFTP.EXE is not dangerous at all.

nlite is not innovative software at all, no. it just simplifies the task of making your own XP.

[Dreadnort]

Nlite for me is a fantastic tool that alows me to be extremely flexible about what is and isn't installed on my system.

For example, Windows installs games, sounds, wallpapers and screensavers. Before Nlite I would just have had to put up with these, as I NEVER use any of them. I prefer Windows to be seen and not heard, the games hold no interest for me and I normally use a blank screen as my background.

With Nlite, I can remove all these annoyances directly from the source, thus freeing up some space and lessen a little aggravation.

Then we move onto drivers. I have an Nforce 2 motherboard which XP doesn't actually support natively (i.e. no drivers). I also have an Nvida GFX card and Audigy 2 sound card. Whilst there are drivers within Windows that do support them, they are horribly outdated. By default Windows has drivers for a wide range of products, most of which I don't have or never will have.

Once again Nlite steps in and can strip out all those useless drivers for hardware I don't have any use for.

SATA drives are now becoming very much the standard HDD, however if you want Windows XP to install on one, you need to have a floppy drive handy with the drivers on a disk. More and more computers these days are ditching FDD's because writable CD's & DVD's have made them pretty much obselete. Nlite can integrate these and drivers for all my hardware into XP, meaning that it is kept bang up to date and I never have to install any additional drivers.

The numerous hotfixes that come out monthly can all take up alot of space. I had a friend who recently had to reinstall Windows, using his PRE SP1 retail copy. After he'd done all the hotfixes and updates, his Windows folder alone was 2Gb+. With Nlite you can keep your Windows source prefectly updated either by integrating Service packs and hotfixes individually or using the ever popular RyanVM update packs. Either way the end result is the same, A much more efficient and less bug ridden Windows installation.

Next we move on to software. MSN Messenger, the Windows Firewall/Security Centre and Defrag may be perfectly fine for the average joe user, but many of us use far better software or in the case of MSN Mesenger updated software. Therefore why do we need to bother having these programs installed with Windows, if we are simply going to install our own choices. The answer is, we don't have to. Nlite allows us the freedom to choose what we want and what we don't want.

It seems that with each new version of Windows, we have had less control over what is installed. For example Windows 95 & 98 allowed us a fair amount of freedom over what we could install during installation, but this seemed to be massively curtailed when XP was introduced. It became simply a case of take it or leave it and we could only remove items AFTER windows had completed installing. Even then, many things were hidden, that could only be uncovered by editing entries in sysoc.inf and how many people REALLY knew about that back then.

In essence Nlite is all about being able to take back control of Windows and tailoring it to suit your needs, and not what Microsoft thinks are your needs. Couple Nlite with automated unattended installation of my favourite software and I end up with a system that is ready to be used straight away, no messing about installing any extra drivers or having to download Winamp or Winrar or whatever.

I get all this power and versatility and it doesn't cost me a penny. XPLite, Nlite's closest rival does the removal part, but if you want the full range of features, you have to pay. Also it does it's removing after Windows has been installed. Something I think has far more potential to cause problems then Nlite's method.

This post has been edited by Dreadnort: 10 September 2005 - 10:39 AM