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#1 User is offline   saugatak 

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 09:55 PM

FDV, I put the XP version of NTDETECT.COM and ntldr in the FIX folder. When I look at SOURCESS/I386 folder, however, Win2k NTDETECT.COM and ntldr are present.

Also, the HFSLIP'd Win2k install on VMWare has the Win2k version of NTDETECT.COM and ntldr.

What am I doing wrong?


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Posted 09 October 2005 - 11:16 PM

just FYI, i changed the thread title to make it clearer.
i'll defer to tommyp on the 'why' though because i am not sure.
mine actually works fine. are you using the latest (october) version of HFSLIP?

This post has been edited by fdv: 09 October 2005 - 11:17 PM


#3 User is offline   saugatak 

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Posted 09 October 2005 - 11:25 PM

@FDV, using latest HFSLIP and FDV fileset I believe as now I download the latest just before running HFSLIP.

My error log is attached.

P.S. I think Oleg's idea to remove help files is a good one. They're pretty much useless and if you can run HFSLIP, you can Google, hit M$ knowledge base and MSFN forums to find the answer you need anyway.

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 02:54 AM

Dumb question, but are your 100% sure that the files you placed in the FIX folder are from an XP cd?

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 06:31 AM

@tommyp

It is not a dumb question, but I am 100% sure I put in XP files because this computer I am using now is XP, and I used its NTDETECT.COM and ntldr. I compared dates and filesizes, and the NTDETECT.COM and ntldr in FIX are bigger files and later dates than the Win2k NTDETECT.COM and ntldr.

This is the computer I want to rebuild with HFSLIP FDV Win2k because XP is slowing this computer down a lot.

I'm doing some more work on FDV's files and I'll run HFSLIP again.

I've been researching what files to take out of the OS/2 subsystem (which IMO is completely extraneous) and will post shortly.

This post has been edited by saugatak: 10 October 2005 - 06:32 AM


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Posted 10 October 2005 - 09:03 AM

My FDV/NoIE installs and runs great as long as I stay away from ntdetect and ntldr :)

If I drop those file into FIX and then HFSLIP/ISO/VMWARE as usual, I get the attached BSOD about an inaccessible_boot_device. If those files are NOT in FIX and I HFSLIP/ISO/VMWARE as usual, everything runs fine.

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 12:50 PM

I've read in other forums that using NTDETECT.COM and ntldr does lead to a faster boot so I'd like to get it in there and give it a shot.

@TommyP and FDV, is it possible to just replace the NTDETECT.COM and ntldr in SOURCESS/I386 if the FIX folder method doesn't work?

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Posted 10 October 2005 - 02:45 PM

Yes, you manually replace the two files into the SOURCESS\i386 folder. However, if you get a BSOD again. you have the wrong files.

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 05:09 AM

saugatak and tommyp:

in line 298: IF EXIST FIX COPY /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386

the copy-command can't see the hidden files NTDETECT.COM and ntldr

perhaps ATTRIB -S -H FIX\*.* might help?

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 05:51 AM

@murvun - Cool suggestion. Can someone test?

I had an idea, perhaps it's a capitalization issue? I believe both my files are upper case.

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 08:11 AM

View Postmurvun, on Oct 12 2005, 01:09 PM, said:

saugatak and tommyp:

in line 298: IF EXIST FIX COPY /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386

the copy-command can't see the hidden files NTDETECT.COM and ntldr

perhaps ATTRIB -S -H FIX\*.* might help?

@ tommyp

Also, if you want, you can use xcopy instead of the copy command...

try this: (it copies hidden, system files and overwrites old and read-only files without confirm)

IF EXIST FIX XCOPY /H /R /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 12:39 PM

TommyP, let me know if you've fixed this issue in the latest HFSLIP and I will test it tonight.

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Posted 12 October 2005 - 03:13 PM

@saugatak - I'm not going to release it just yet. Why not open a dos window in your HFSLIP folder. Type in
IF EXIST FIX XCOPY /H /R /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386 and see what happens. Also, check to see if those files have a hidden attribute and/or check capitalization.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 03:31 AM

@tommyp, I'm not as tech savvy as you are so this is how I interpreted what you suggested:

I opened a DOS window and CD to HFSLIP director. Then I typed "IF EXIST FIX XCOPY /H /R /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386"

In my FIX folder I had the following files:

1) Win XP SP2 version of NTDETECT.COM
2) Win XP SP2 version of ntldr
3) notepad.ex_ (made using Oleg's method, replace notepad with win32pad)
4) WINNT.SIF

The results were:

F:\HFSLIP IF EXIST FIX XCOPY /H /R /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386
FIX\notepad.ex_
FIX\WINNT.SIF
2 files copied.

By see what happens I guess you mean check the SOURCESS folder to see if the latest NTDETECT.COM and ntldr are included? I did that and both are still Win2k versions.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 04:11 AM

@saugatak
in my system my method works...
however can you use the method posted by murvun?
just to test if it works.


go in hfslip director and type:

ATTRIB -S -H FIX\*.* (no output is done)

IF EXIST FIX COPY /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386
(output the files copied)

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 04:19 AM

View Postsaugatak, on Oct 14 2005, 03:31 AM, said:

The results were:
F:\HFSLIP IF EXIST FIX XCOPY /H /R /Y FIX\*.* SOURCESS\I386
FIX\notepad.ex_
FIX\WINNT.SIF
2 files copied.

@saugatak:

By the output of your xcopy, the only possible conlusion is that ntldr and ntdetect.com are not in your FIX directory, as I can't think of any reason that could cause xcopy ignore the files if they are there (when using the /H parameter). When running the XCOPY command (you ran it correctly), you should see the files ntldr and ntdetect.com being copied.

Regards,
Pene

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 06:24 AM

I Have to agree, I changed cabarc.exe to RAHS
then: X:\2KBootCD\+Tools\BLAH> xcopy /h /r /y *.* blah2\

Result: cabarc.exe in blah2\, as a -AHS file, removal of the ReadOnly flag, but Copy will do that as well.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 12:30 PM

OK this is what I did.

After reading these 2 posts, I did a screenshot of my FIX folder, posted. Since the last post in my thread, I have not changed the contents of my FIX folder. Here's the screenshot.

Anyway, I tried the same method again and this time . . . . it worked! :wacko:

You'll probably think that I didn't have the programs in the FIX folder, but I am 100% certain they were there.

I really don't know what happened.

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 12:55 PM

Would those 2 files but from 2k3 work better?
Is it possible just to replace them in source cd?

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Posted 14 October 2005 - 01:00 PM

saugatak
No problem with that. I have a bug today morning too: I saw things and was sure it was like I saw, but when I did the same procedure in the evening it was not excatly the same :wacko:
It happens sometimes B)

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