[Plugs7]

Having used the 98SESP for some time now, I recently came across this forum, & hence Tihiy@s Revolution pack. Finally got around to installing it (RP4 build 2700) today, & apart from a few "common" problems (mainly around shdoc401.dll not registering), am well impressed; with one serious exception:

I know it's daft, & I should know better, but I've gotten so confident that judicious use of scanreg /restore & a few other trinkets will dig me out of any system- related problems, that I no longer bother religiously backing up my system before major cosmetic surgery such as the Rev Pack, relying on a comprehensive tree of old rb00x scanreg backups, ++ a few other tools & backups, all of which are conveniently stashed inside the sysbckup folder, & which have managed to get me out of just about all my frequent cock-ups & crashes.

Until this crazy bloody installer of yours ran it's makbackup batch file, supposedly to add a bit of security to the whole process, & promptly ran

"deltree /Y %windir%\sysbckup"

WHAT !!!!!

why the hell do you have to do that ???? Without warning, or choice ????? Couldn't you at least have backed it up, or given me the option to abort, first ??

That's it, gone. all my registry exports, dll file backups, old registries, even (just to add insult to injury) my bloody "undelete" utility. And then promplty recreate sysbckup just to make sure that by the time I'd got over the shdoc401 crashes & VFAT conflicts to get 32-bit Winows running again & run a new copy of undelete, the original sysbkup folder, & all my extras therein, were well & truly gone for good.

I can only put it down to sheer bloodymindedness.

This post has been edited by Plugs7: 14 October 2005 - 05:03 PM

[eidenk]

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I can only put it down to sheer bloodymindedness.

There is absolutely no reason to put this line in the batch file. I do suspect deliberate sabotage.

[Plugs7]

Sabotage by who tho ?

this was the "official" unofficial W9x revolutions pack, downloaded direct from Tihiy's site, & run "straight out of the box". I deselected all the "eyecandy" options (no need for 32-bit icons, toolbar patching, etc: just wanted the unicode options really (dreaming I might be able to run eg Google Earth on my fastish, powerfulish, AMD3200 Shuttle desktop/gaming machine which I'm sticking with '98 on, rather than the old XP-preinstalled P3 laptop with its crappy Intel graphics)) & chose the "backup option, then Poof! away goes all my backups.

(Getting loads of other problems too (lost network browsing, Zonealarm's VSMon crashes on startup, lost mouse wheel actions in Far Cry, startup.cpl (& other control panels) take forever to load, explorer slowed right down (bit like the IE6 SP1 browseui.dll bugs), but that might well be down to odd mixtures of system dll's, etc (running on W98SESP2.02, withiout 98SEtoME, but with assorted other hacks eg the browseui.dll fix), & I can eventually get to the bottom of all that: just would have been nicer to do it without losing all my recovery tools !

Still gonna stick with the Rev pack once I can get it sorted tho': how's that for a vote of confidence ?

[eidenk]

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Sabotage by who tho ?

LOL. By Tihiy himself of course (unless his site and RP4 package are hacked which I doubt.)

Ask him why he does this ?

It is a secret between you and me but I believe he works for Microsoft with a mission to f*** your 98SE system otherwise he would have been sued since a long time by MS for illegally redistributing hacked system files (from a more recent OS) copyrighted to them. MS is the most picky company with regards to infrigment of their copyrights and also the one who's got the most means to enforce their protection, so why do they allow him to do that ? I have asked the question several times. I have never been answered. Legally speaking, what he does is little if no different than providing, say, pirated copies of XP.

Just my best guess, of course but I don't think I am too wrong.

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(Getting loads of other problems too (lost network browsing, Zonealarm's VSMon crashes on startup, lost mouse wheel actions in Far Cry, startup.cpl (& other control panels) take forever to load, explorer slowed right down (bit like the IE6 SP1 browseui.dll bugs), but that might well be down to odd mixtures of system dll's, etc (running on W98SESP2.02, withiout 98SEtoME, but with assorted other hacks eg the browseui.dll fix), & I can eventually get to the bottom of all that: just would have been nicer to do it without losing all my recovery tools !

Still gonna stick with the Rev pack once I can get it sorted tho': how's that for a vote of confidence ?

LOL. Yes, do like Jesus told you. Spread well your butts this time. Put some butter and say thank you.

And beware they've also probably got your IP so they might raid your home to make an example of you one of those days. As you have maybe not noticed so far, when law enforcement officers raid people, it's almost always for dowloading illegal stuff and not for providing it. Paedophile porn being the most obvious example. But also it's pretty obvious with the blokes that have been raided for sharing mp3s.

Where are you Ileoliveira ? Come and tell me again that I am crazy.

[esmazter]

I downloaded the RP some times ago and it did the same thing.
deltree /Y %windir%\sysbckup

[Tihiy]

You can jugde me, but
LOL
Wait plz for 'new RP release'.

This post has been edited by Tihiy: 15 October 2005 - 02:24 PM

[eidenk]

RP4 is malware. That's no judgement. That's a fact.

Care to explain why you did put this line in the script ?

[Plugs7]

Tihiy, on Oct 15 2005, 09:17 PM, said:

You can jugde me, but
LOL
Wait plz for 'new RP release'.

Tihiy:

Was that "LOL" aimed at Eiden's previous "buttcheeks", etc comment, or at me for falling foul of your bizarre, unexplained, script action ?

If it's for Eiden, then fine: I don't exactly go along with his style, but the forum needs people like him around, if only to keep you on your toes, & I have read a lot of useful posts by him in amongst the cynical flaming.

If it was aimed at me, & the problems *YOU* have generated with that installer, then that's way out of line, & a pretty childish attitude to take - judging by your helpful responses & quick update/fix cycles for just about everyone else posting with problems in that hellish long "Win 9x revolutions" thread, I very much doubt you'd take that attitude, but it's difficult to tell exactly where your comment is aimed.

Incidentally, I've had to uninstall RP4 for the time being (having carefully checked out restore.bat first & backing up everything it was gonna delete - you don't catch me like that twice !!): I managed to get over most of my problems by setting W98 compatibility on VSMON & shell.exe, but the whole system went flakey on next reboot, repeatedly crashing & rebooting when it tried to load in the ESDI driver ("[000CE0FF] Initing esdi_506.pdr" in Bootlog. My primary & secondary IDE controllers are locked on system reserved IRQ 14/15 in BIOS & device manager to get round VFAT device loader problems, if that's of any relevance)

Look forward to the "new RP4 release", presumably with that "deltree /y" worked around: I'm already missing the unicode support & especially that marvellous Shutdown/lLogOff trinket of yours now I'm back to vanilla-ish 98SE.

[eidenk]

@Plugs7 : Apologies if I have offended you with my comments. Thanks also for your general appreciation of my contribution to this forum.

[Plugs7]

eidenk, on Oct 16 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

@Plugs7 : Apologies if I have offended you with my comments. Thanks also for your general appreciation of my contribution to this forum.

@Eidenk:

Hey, no offence taken whatsoever - your contributions to this, & many other, threads are as I implied valued & appreciated (& linking to it in the "nightmares" thread was great: the more folks who get warned about this before it bites them the better! I don't really count this as a nightmare mind, more an unneecessary annoyance >. One day I might post about my *real* w98 nightmares, & that'll double the thread length & make ur toes curl !)

All I was trying to say is that your somewhat "full on" attitude at times aint my way of doin things - but it takes all sorts, & thank Evans for that. The forum would be a pretty boring place if everyone was as flat & serious online as me !!!!!


Thinks: Must set up a .sig if I'm gonna keep posting here...

[eidenk]

For Tihiy, fixing RP4 is only a matter of deleting a single line in a batch file, rezip the package and reupload it to his website which should take no more than 15 minutes altogether.

Well it's not done yet after more than three days and several posts of him here related to that matter. I have just checked it out.

So that I can only conclude that Tihiy deliberately carries on to distribute malware from his website.

[JoeMSFN]

eidenk, on Oct 15 2005, 01:35 PM, said:

It is a secret between you and me but I believe he works for Microsoft with a mission to f*** your 98SE system otherwise he would have been sued since a long time by MS for illegally redistributing hacked system files (from a more recent OS) copyrighted to them. MS is the most picky company with regards to infrigment of their copyrights and also the one who's got the most means to enforce their protection, so why do they allow him to do that ? I have asked the question several times. I have never been answered. Legally speaking, what he does is little if no different than providing, say, pirated copies of XP.

I remember there was some stink with M$ and the guy that does BartPE. Don't remember the specifics, but I'm sure it's similar.... at least in an abstract way...

[Tihiy]

eidenk, on Oct 17 2005, 10:59 PM, said:

So that I can only conclude that Tihiy deliberately carries on to distribute malware from his website.

Yes, I do.

[eidenk]

If it was up to me, after this answer you've just made, I would close all your threads and ban you from the forum.

Because let's be serious, what mister Tihiy should have done is fix the faulty and totally unneeded line in the script that deletes the system backup directory (without even sending it to the recycle bin so it gets lost forever as RP4 files will then be written on the just freed clusters) immediately after the first post of Plugz7 complaining about it and not LOL LOL around which is an insult not only to plugz7 but to everyone on this forum and beyond.

[Tihiy]

eidenk, on Oct 18 2005, 12:48 AM, said:

Because let's be serious, what mister Tihiy should have done is fix the faulty and totally unneeded line in the script that deletes the system backup directory (without even sending it to the recycle bin so it gets lost forever as RP4 files will then be written on the just freed clusters) immediately after the first post of Plugz7 complaining about it and not LOL LOL around which is an insult not only to plugz7 but to everyone on this forum and beyond.

This post was made after RP support have ended. I can't just delete a line from script without testing - it was added somewhen with some purpose. So better use RP Lite - it does not contain this command and supported now.

[eidenk]

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I can't just delete a line from script without testing

There is no testing to be done and you know it. Removing that line will just prevent the system backup directory to be erased by your makbackup.bat script.

Do you take people for total idiots or what ? Anyone that's going to download RP4 is going to lose its system backup folder with all it's content. Of course at the next startup a new system backup directory will be automatically created by scanreg but it will contain only post RP4 install data.

I have never seen this anywhere. A develloper has got a severe and extremely easy to fix flaw in its installer leading to major loss of data on the target systems and refuses to fix it !!!!

It would take you five minutes to fix that and you don't do it, why ?

You still distribute that file, don't you ? So fix it please.

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it was added somewhen with some purpose.

And what was this purpose ?

The only purpose I can see in it is that it prevents the ones who download and install your pack to properly and fully uninstall your pack by restoring not only the original files but also their original registry which is forever lost because of this line.

If you had another purpose, tell us please what it was.

[wizardofwindows]

i luv rp4 final it worked on 3 pcs i tryed and not one error ,i dont believe tihny is the devil lol.some people in here complaint 2 much when people make programs to help you for free why bat a eye.arent we here to help others learn etc.im sure tihny who u praised in other posts knows what hes doing .

[eidenk]

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sure tihny who u praised in other posts knows what hes doing .

Sure he knows what he does. And so do you, SmokeyJoint.

As for praising him in other posts, I remember that some people said I was flaming him with my questions in those few other posts I adressed to him or said I was crazy to suggest certain things. You must have some form of problem with your brain if you interpret those as praises.

Understandable if you read as you write.

[randiroo76073]

eidenk, until you can come up with a better prgm I think you need to quit whining, it really doesn't become you, makes you sound like a jealous, sniveling little boy! I'd think better of myself & you should too.

This post has been edited by randiroo76073: 19 October 2005 - 06:20 PM

[eidenk]

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eidenk, until you can come up with a better prgm I think you need to quit whining, it really doesn't become you, makes you sound like a jealous, sniveling little boy! I'd think better of myself & you should too.

Excuse me randiroo but there is no jealousy in that. Reread my points please.

Tihiy has failed to answer as to why he did include that line (and I point out that some antivirus programs are blocking DOS batch scripts containing that deltree command).

Tihiy refuses to fix it (a 30 seconds job + time to reupload 4 MB) which means everyone who's going to install that will carry on losing their system backup files.

If those files aren't important for you because you reinstall your os each five minutes anyway that's not the case for others.

If you want to defend Tihiy on that point, well give me a good reason for the presence of this line that has nothing to see with his program. And give me also what good reason he has for not taking 1 minute to fix this script (deleting a single line).

You see me as a jealous, sniveling little boy but I can easily see you as an id*** who has lost all sense of discriminination.

Maybe you haven't grasped what we are speaking about here.

This post has been edited by eidenk: 20 October 2005 - 01:53 AM