[erpdude8]

bristols, on Nov 1 2005, 03:09 PM, said:

I've experienced quite frequent BSODs while using Winamp v.2.81 Lite (with the Ampesizer skin found here at Radified and the MAD MP3 decoder plugin). They usually occur when clicking Winamp's OPEN icon that opens the file-browsing window. The BSODs have reported OEs at 0028:C16AE309 in VXD ctpci9x(01) + 00055D9 called from 0028:C16B11FC in VXD ctpci9X(01) + 000583CC, and have reported fatal ODs at 0028C0003ABD in VXD VMM(01) + 00002ABD.

Again, I have no idea if this relates specifically to the U891711 patch, and so really no idea if this is helpful or not. But there you go.

Get rid of Winamp 2.81 lite, bristols. it's too old. upgrade to the latest version of Winamp lite which is v5.11. Winamp Lite 5.11 fixes a ton of bugs, including security problems found in previous versions of Winamp. I have Winamp v5.11 lite on my 98se & ME machines.

I might give the unofficial 891711 win98/me fix a try. do I have to remove microsoft's 891711 patch first before installing the unofficial one, MDGx?

[eidenk]

As the original Microsoft KB891711 v2 is exactly the same for 98SE and ME, I am trying U891711 on Windows ME.

So far I have noticed no problems. The only "problem" there is, is the same as with the original one. There is one more executable and one more dll running in the system and it cannot be closed (with a task manager) without soon terminally crashing the entire OS.

I have also downloaded Winamp lite 2.81, the ampesizer skin and the mad plugin. I have no errors when clicking on the open file button while U891711 is running.

However, I have also the same question as hp38guser :

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Have you a link to a "malformed" image or so that should be blocked by this new patch?

[erpdude8]

eidenk, on Nov 2 2005, 03:27 PM, said:

As the original Microsoft KB891711 v2 is exactly the same for 98SE and ME, I am trying U891711 on Windows ME.

So far I have noticed no problems. The only "problem" there is, is the same as with the original one. There is one more executable and one more dll running in the system and it cannot be closed (with a task manager) without soon terminally crashing the entire OS.

I have also downloaded Winamp lite 2.81, the ampesizer skin and the mad plugin. I have no errors when clicking on the open file button while U891711 is running.

However, I have also the same question as hp38guser :

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Have you a link to a "malformed" image or so that should be blocked by this new patch?

Winamp lite 2.81 is NOT available anymore at the Winamp.com site, eidenk. GET WINAMP LITE 5.11, NOT WINAMP 2.81!!!! Come on, dude! Winamp 2.81 is so old that it is prone to new security threats and v5.11 fixes these new security holes in Winamp.

I dont understand why bristols and eidenk want to use a very outdated release of Winamp as I, on the other hand, have no problems with the latest release of Winamp [5.11], with U891711 installed.

note to MDGx, you havent mentioned the U891711 patch on your software essentials page, yet as I have checked this noon time. will you list it there? also can you remove Tihiy's TI891711 fix off your page. as the author of the U891711 patch said, TI891711 offers "limited protection" and it is very weak and incompatible with 98fe & ME.

-erpdude8

This post has been edited by erpdude8: 02 November 2005 - 04:45 PM

[erpdude8]

MDGx, on Oct 21 2005, 03:00 PM, said:

Hi everyone,

Somebody [the author prefers to remain anonymous] released a new unofficial patch for Windows 98 + 98 SE described here [MS05-002]:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...n/ms05-002.mspx
Unofficial patch download [109 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.EXE
First, please make sure to read the text file [English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.TXT
To install this unofficial patch on Windows 98/98 SE, just run U891711.EXE and then reboot.

This is a beta release, which means needs testing on as many computers as possible.
Please run this patch on your Windows 98 or 98 SE computer(s), and then post your comments/bugs/tips/suggestions/etc in this MSFN forum, or you can send me feedback: the blue E-mail link.

This patch can be uninstalled from Control Panel -> Add/Remove Programs -> "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)" -> click the "Add/Remove" button.

I will post this patch as permanent replacement for the official MS patch [see http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.TXT for details] if this unofficial patch proves to fix the MS05-002 security vulnerability better than the official MS patch.

Many thanks in advance for your time and concern.

This U891711 patch needs to be revised, MDGx. It will NOT install under WinME (a black eye for ME users). The U891711.TXT file says "Unofficial Windows 98 (FE)/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch" at the top of the text file but the EXE patch says "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch". Make it install under Win98 FE, SE AND WinME! And edit the title of the U891711.EXE patch to correctly say "Unofficial Windows 98 (FE)/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch".

This post has been edited by erpdude8: 02 November 2005 - 05:41 PM

[the_guy]

I too found that out, erpdude.

What you need to do is extract the files and install the update using the install command after right-clicking the .inf file.

[dnbgroove]

Hi MDGx

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Did you notice this when trying to play online or offline?

I was playing a local wav file. I don't use Media player for online (much if ever)

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I assumed this was related to installing 98SEMP10 [WMP10 files from WinXP]

Your 98SEMP10 automated install was applied some time ago and I was reporting this as it was the first time I'd seen this problem having installed this unofficial 891711 patch

Any ideas ?

[bristols]

Hello erpdude.

erpdude8, on Nov 2 2005, 10:36 PM, said:

GET WINAMP LITE 5.11, NOT WINAMP 2.81!!!! Come on, dude! Winamp 2.81 is so old that it is prone to new security threats and v5.11 fixes these new security holes in Winamp.

I dont understand why bristols and eidenk want to use a very outdated release of Winamp as I, on the other hand, have no problems with the latest release of Winamp [5.11], with U891711 installed.

Although not wanting to encourage the thread to stray off-topic, I will still reply, just briefly, since you don't understand why. I installed Winamp 2.81 Lite rather than the latest version because, unless I am mistaken, the older version uses fewer system resources than the newer one. This particular setup is using quite old hardware (a 233 Mhz CPU, with only 128 MB of RAM) so the minimal use of resources is a pressing concern, I'm afraid (the Ampesizer skin is an indulgence ). I wanted to try out the MAD plugin using Winamp (I know that there are other media players with small memory footprints), and honestly I can't say that the old Winamp sounds any worse than the newer version (having tried it). I'm aware that subsequent versions of Winamp benefit from security fixes, but fortunately I don't use Winamp to play any Internet-based/streamed content or files that have not been previously virus-scanned, so the security issues are not a concern at the moment.

Back on-topic: eidenk, that's good to hear, insofar as it's a point for U891711. The BSODs I experience are sporadic (say, 1 in 3 times), and usually happen at the same time as a file is being played.

This post has been edited by bristols: 02 November 2005 - 06:57 PM

[eidenk]

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Winamp lite 2.81 is NOT available anymore at the Winamp.com site, eidenk. GET WINAMP LITE 5.11, NOT WINAMP 2.81!!!! Come on, dude! Winamp 2.81 is so old that it is prone to new security threats and v5.11 fixes these new security holes in Winamp.

I dont understand why bristols and eidenk want to use a very outdated release of Winamp as I, on the other hand, have no problems with the latest release of Winamp [5.11], with U891711 installed.

I have installed 2.81 lite to see if I was able to reproduce the above described error. I was not.

As for Winamp itself in general : I have 5.11 (but the latest is 5.111 I think) and also 2.95 installed. Each with a different plugin setup so that they both load relatively fast. 2.95 whose gui is fast to load has plenty of plugs. 5.11 whose gui is slower has few plugs. Security vulnerability was with version 5 and automatic download of modern skins I think.

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This U891711 patch needs to be revised, MDGx. It will NOT install under WinME (a black eye for ME users). The U891711.TXT file says "Unofficial Windows 98 (FE)/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch" at the top of the text file but the EXE patch says "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch". Make it install under Win98 FE, SE AND WinME! And edit the title of the U891711.EXE patch to correctly say "Unofficial Windows 98 (FE)/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch".

In the meantime you can install it by hand if you want to test on ME. All you need to do (easiest way) is install the original MS KB891711 for winME and replace the two files (in C:\Windows\System\KB891711) by the new ones from U891711 before rebooting. Files can be extracted from U891711 by using 7-Zip or other archiver that supports extracting files from those MS installers. There shouldn't be any System File Protection issue as the files are simply added and install scripts are identical for 98SE and ME (I am not sure at 101% of course as I don't have SFP anymore on my ME system).

This post has been edited by eidenk: 02 November 2005 - 07:20 PM

[eidenk]

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Back on-topic: eidenk, that's good to hear, insofar as it's a point for U891711. The BSODs I experience are sporadic (say, 1 in 3 times), and usually happen at the same time as a file is being played.

Have you tried reinstalling your Creative Labs soundcard drivers ? Or install others if any available ? I think this is possibly your problem as your error happens in ctpci9X.vxd.

[MDGx]

bristols:

This the author's answer to your question:

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The BSODs are most likely not related to the installation of U891711.EXE.

I ran a quick search for 'crash' and 'ctpci9x.vxd' and, among other
reports of crashes caused by ctpci9x.vxd, found this at
http://www.sysopt.co...hp/t-31164.html

Try to upgrade the sound card driver.

I also suggest the following to narrow it down a bit:

(A) Uninstall U891711.EXE and run WinAmp, reinstall U891711.EXE and run
WinAmp

or

( Temporarily stop KB891711.EXE as follows

(1) Boot up PC as normal
(2) Close (but do not kill) KB891711.EXE using EndItAll
(3) Run WinAmp, open file-browsing window, etc.
(4) If no BSOD, close WinAmp, run '%windir%\system\kb891711\kb891711.exe'
(5) Run WinAmp again, open file-browsing window, etc.

Hope this helps.

[MDGx]

My bad, guys, I forgot to upload the new ME version of the patch.
Here it is... [110 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.EXE

It should install on Windows ME without any problems, even if official MS05-002 patch was already installed.

Please try it out, should fix the same security vulnerability as MS05-002 [but using better patching technique], under Windows 98 (FE), 98 SE and ME.
___________________________________________

I believe a decent proof of concept demo for LOADIMAGE icon [.ANI file] is found here:
http://www.xfocus.net/flashsky/icoExp/
Please try this demo first without official MS05-002 or U891711 installed.
Then install MS05-002 first, try the demo again.
Then uninstall MS05-002 and then install U891711, and try the demo again.
To install U891711 on top of MS05-002, it is not necessary to uninstall MS05-002 first, U891711 should overwrite the MS05-002 files upon installation.

Hope this helps.
___________________________________________

dnbgroove, on Nov 2 2005, 05:25 PM, said:

Hi MDGx

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Did you notice this when trying to play online or offline?

I was playing a local wav file. I don't use Media player for online (much if ever)

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I assumed this was related to installing 98SEMP10 [WMP10 files from WinXP]

Your 98SEMP10 automated install was applied some time ago and I was reporting this as it was the first time I'd seen this problem having installed this unofficial 891711 patch

Any ideas ?

I don't think that WMP generic [not found] image placeholders issue was related to either 98SEMP10 or U891711.
I still blame it on server error, lag or timeout.
What you experienced, could have also been poor quality of the internet connection [at the time] due to problems at your ISP's end.

Hop this helps.

This post has been edited by MDGx: 04 November 2005 - 12:37 PM

[erpdude8]

Ok. i've downloaded and tested the U891711 patch under Win98se and WinME. Installed OK under Win98se but didn't install under WinME. I get error message when trying to install U891711 under ME so I had to extract the files manually. notified MDGx about it so he should fix that problem easily. Before I installed U891711 I made some changes and corrections to the u891711.inf & u891711.txt files and then installed the files. I've submitted the corrected u891711.inf & u891711.txt files to MDGx. changed the line "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch to "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Security Patch" in the top section of the u891711.inf file for further clarification. another change I made to the u891711.inf file is the uninstall string from "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to "Unofficial Windows 98/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)". you really have to specify which version of Windows the U891711 patch will be installed to and uninstalled from. made a minor correction to the u891711.txt file in the "NOTE #2" section, replacing the word "hotfix" with the word "update". Hotfix and update are NOT the same thing. they're different and Microsoft KB891711 is NOT a hotfix; KB891711 is an update, a security update.

About the ctpci9x.vxd file, try downloading and installing the Sound Blaster PCI 128 drivers for Windows 9x; get the latest ones from this site:

http://us.creative.c...port/downloads/

select Sound Blaster in 1st box, select Others in 2nd box, then select Sound Blaster PCI 128 in 3rd box and click on the Next button. select English as the Language, choose Windows 98 SE as the operating system and choose Driver as the File Type and click the Go button.

if you really use Win98 SE or WinME you can even try installing the Sound Blaster PCI 128 WDM drivers [titled " Sound Blaster PCI cards Web Update"]. WDM drivers dont use VXD files, they use SYS driver files.

select either "Sound Blaster PCI cards Web Update for users running Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000 or Windows XP" or "Sound Blaster PCI128 (Drivers Only - Windows 9x)". These drivers worked good on my relative's Dell PC that has the Creative Ensoniq 1371 Audio card.

be sure to remove/un-install either TI891711 or Microsoft KB891711 before installing U891711. looks like U891711 could be a smash hit!

This post has been edited by erpdude8: 04 November 2005 - 05:11 AM

[the_guy]

erpdude8,

You do not need to remove the microsoft update before installing this one. This update is like a v3 for the microsoft update. You didn't need to uninstall v1 before you installed v2. I have tried this on a 98se machine and on a ME m,achine, and they both work perfect.

the_guy

[MDGx]

erpdude8, on Nov 4 2005, 03:39 AM, said:

Ok. i've downloaded and tested the U891711 patch under Win98se and WinME. Installed OK under Win98se but didn't install under WinME. I get error message when trying to install U891711 under ME so I had to extract the files manually. notified MDGx about it so he should fix that problem easily. Before I installed U891711 I made some changes and corrections to the u891711.inf & u891711.txt files and then installed the files. I've submitted the corrected u891711.inf & u891711.txt files to MDGx. changed the line "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch to "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Security Patch" in the top section of the u891711.inf file for further clarification. another change I made to the u891711.inf file is the uninstall string from "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to "Unofficial Windows 98/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)". you really have to specify which version of Windows the U891711 patch will be installed to and uninstalled from. made a minor correction to the u891711.txt file in the "NOTE #2" section, replacing the word "hotfix" with the word "update". Hotfix and update are NOT the same thing. they're different and Microsoft KB891711 is NOT a hotfix; KB891711 is an update, a security update.

I have uploaded the correct version of the patch with modified SED file [please see post # 31 above], which now allows to install directly on WinME, and even if official MS05-002 patch was already installed, it properly overwrites it.
Same behavior if installed on Win98 FE or 98 SE: U891711 can be installed over official MS05-002, it will properly overwrite the MS files, which are older builds [even v2].

I have also replaced "hotfix" with "update" in the text file.

U891711.EXE [110 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.EXE
U891711.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.TXT

Please try it out at your convenience.

This post has been edited by MDGx: 04 November 2005 - 12:37 PM

[bristols]

Hey guys,

Thanks to you all (eidenk, MDGx, erpdude8 and the patch's author) for your input regarding my BSODs in ctpci9x.vxd. The link provided by the patch's author in his response is interesting, because my own setup is in a few respects the same or similar to that mentioned there (the Diamond SupraSST modem, for example).

Thanks erpdude for the help regarding drivers. I did reinstall the soundcard drivers and so far, I'm happy to report, haven't suffered any BSODs since.

Thus, FWIW, it seems like I'm giving U891711 a thumbs-up too.

Hope my thanks can be passed on to the patch's author.

[erpdude8]

MDGx, on Nov 4 2005, 12:35 PM, said:

erpdude8, on Nov 4 2005, 03:39 AM, said:

Ok. i've downloaded and tested the U891711 patch under Win98se and WinME. Installed OK under Win98se but didn't install under WinME. I get error message when trying to install U891711 under ME so I had to extract the files manually. notified MDGx about it so he should fix that problem easily. Before I installed U891711 I made some changes and corrections to the u891711.inf & u891711.txt files and then installed the files. I've submitted the corrected u891711.inf & u891711.txt files to MDGx. changed the line "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch to "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Security Patch" in the top section of the u891711.inf file for further clarification. another change I made to the u891711.inf file is the uninstall string from "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to "Unofficial Windows 98/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)". you really have to specify which version of Windows the U891711 patch will be installed to and uninstalled from. made a minor correction to the u891711.txt file in the "NOTE #2" section, replacing the word "hotfix" with the word "update". Hotfix and update are NOT the same thing. they're different and Microsoft KB891711 is NOT a hotfix; KB891711 is an update, a security update.

I have uploaded the correct version of the patch with modified SED file [please see post # 31 above], which now allows to install directly on WinME, and even if official MS05-002 patch was already installed, it properly overwrites it.
Same behavior if installed on Win98 FE or 98 SE: U891711 can be installed over official MS05-002, it will properly overwrite the MS files, which are older builds [even v2].

I have also replaced "hotfix" with "update" in the text file.

U891711.EXE [110 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.EXE
U891711.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.TXT

Please try it out at your convenience.

your welcome, bristols. sorry for overreacting about the winamp 2.81 thing. if you dont use it much, you may want to un-install it completely, anyway windows media player can play MP3 files.

MDGx, you need to date the U891711.TXT file as 11/03/2005 instead of 10/04/2005 to reflect the change in the text file. it's good that you made the correction to the text file but you didnt make the changes I suggested with the U891711.INF file. top of the contents of the u891711.inf file still say "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch" and the un-install string still says "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)".
Make those changes to the U891711.INF file I mentioned in an earlier post.

if you need the changes I made to the u891711.inf file here they are again:

change ";Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch" section to ";Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Security Patch" and change "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to "Unofficial Windows 98/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)". and be sure to date it 11/03/2005 because that is when I modified the u891711.inf file.

I know when microsoft make revisions to original patches being released, they put a different or newer date to reflect the changes made from the original to the revised patches. MDGx might want to follow suit with U891711.

[MDGx]

erpdude8, on Nov 5 2005, 07:54 PM, said:

MDGx, you need to date the U891711.TXT file as 11/03/2005 instead of 10/04/2005 to reflect the change in the text file. it's good that you made the correction to the text file but you didnt make the changes I suggested with the U891711.INF file. top of the contents of the u891711.inf file still say "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch" and the un-install string still says "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)".
Make those changes to the U891711.INF file I mentioned in an earlier post.

if you need the changes I made to the u891711.inf file here they are again:

change ";Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE Q891711 Patch" section to ";Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Security Patch" and change "Unofficial Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to "Unofficial Windows 98/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)". and be sure to date it 11/03/2005 because that is when I modified the u891711.inf file.

I know when microsoft make revisions to original patches being released, they put a different or newer date to reflect the changes made from the original to the revised patches. MDGx might want to follow suit with U891711.

Your wish is my command...

U891711.EXE updated [110 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/U891711.EXE

Hope this helps.

[erpdude8]

thanks MDGx. I think the un-install string from the U891711.INF file needs one minor tweak.

change "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to
"Unofficial Windows98/98SE/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)" so that the word "only" is fully displayed in the Add/Remove programs control panel dialog box.

Gape might want to include U891711 instead of Microsoft KB891711 in his 98se service pack.

[erpdude8]

erpdude8, on Nov 11 2005, 11:46 AM, said:

Gape might want to include U891711 instead of Microsoft KB891711 in his 98se service pack.

and U891711 should also be included in the upcoming 98 Gold service pack 2 as well.

[MDGx]

erpdude8, on Nov 11 2005, 10:46 AM, said:

I think the un-install string from the U891711.INF file needs one minor tweak.

change "Unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)" to
"Unofficial Windows98/98SE/ME Q891711 Patch (remove only)" so that the word "only" is fully displayed in the Add/Remove programs control panel dialog box.

I have changed the uninstall string from Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs to read:

Uninstall unofficial Windows 98/98 SE/ME Q891711 Patch

It fits into the window now.

Hope this helps.