[TmEE]

Install Vanilla 98SE

*Open MS-Paint
*Take color picker tool
*Move the mouse to a random location on the canvas and click
*Color is selected and the previous tool is selected (in this case pencil)

MS-Paint version is 5.00.1740.1
Size 344064 Bytes

Install SP3.9

*Open MS-Paint
*Take color picker tool
*Move the mouse to a random location on the canvas and click
*Color is selected but tool does not change back

MS-Paint version is 5.00.1523.1
Size 328464 Bytes

I am not sure what the older version has over the stock one, other than the tool problem I have not seen any difference in functionality.

Tool not changing back breaks the workflow for a "poweruser"
The navigation menu on my website is made in MS-Paint for example - http://www.tmeeco.eu

It is not a big deal as I can always extract the original version from the install CD (it lives inside BASE4.CAB)

This post has been edited by TmEE: 28 October 2012 - 03:28 PM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Thanks, but I am not able to reproduce the breakage. Can anyone else confirm this?

[bphlpt]

Please forgive my confusion, and sorry I missed it, but what was the reason for deciding to use the older version of Paint please? (5.00.1523.1 vs 5.00.1740.1) A link to the explanation will be fine if this was already explained.

Cheers and Regards

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

bphlpt, on 28 October 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

Please forgive my confusion, and sorry I missed it, but what was the reason for deciding to use the older version of Paint please? (5.00.1523.1 vs 5.00.1740.1) A link to the explanation will be fine if this was already explained.

Cheers and Regards

MSPAINT.EXE 5.00.1523.1

[pjmelect]

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View Postjumper, on Yesterday, 06:10 AM, said:
I just googled "4.10.2222B" and learned that it has caused installation problems for a number of apps, so that registry change is to be avoided.

Thanks, but I had no intentions whatsoever in changing it

I also think that it is a bad idea to change the version number, Could not there be an option or utility in the service pack to change it back?

[bphlpt]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 28 October 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

bphlpt, on 28 October 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

Please forgive my confusion, and sorry I missed it, but what was the reason for deciding to use the older version of Paint please? (5.00.1523.1 vs 5.00.1740.1) A link to the explanation will be fine if this was already explained.

Cheers and Regards

MSPAINT.EXE 5.00.1523.1

Thanks PROBLEMCHYLD, but I'm still a little confused. I usually find that MDGX's site links to the newest version of a file unless there is an issue with either compatibility, features removed in newer versions, or something like that, and I don't see any of those things mentioned at the link you provided. But it must be something like that if the newer 5.00.1740.1 is included with 98ES and you and MDGX are promoting the use of an older version. Is it the Paint Graphic Filters (FLT)? Are they in the 5.00.1523.1 version and not in 5.00.1740.1? Can they not be added to the newer version? It also seems odd to me if there are extra features in the older, smaller, version that are not in the newer, larger, one. I'm not doubting you at all, I'm just trying to get it straight in my head. Very sorry for the noob questions and taking you away from your more important activities, but thank you, my friend, for your patience with me.

Cheers and Regards

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

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This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 30 October 2012 - 05:43 AM

[egrabrych]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 28 October 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Thanks, but I am not able to reproduce the breakage. Can anyone else confirm this?

I confirm!

Mspaint.exe 5.00.1740.1 (Windows 98SE) in the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories sequentially exchanged on:
Mspaint.exe 4.00.950 (Windows 95)
Mspaint.exe 4.90.3000.1 (Windows ME)
Mspaint.exe 4.00 (Windows NT4)
Mspaint.exe 5.0.2150.1 (Windows 2000)
Mspaint.exe 5.1.2600.5512 (Windows XP)

None of the above 6 files Mspaint.exe did not generate an error described by TmEE.

However, if the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories put the file Mspaint.exe 5.00.1523.1, the error described by TmEE unfortunately occurred.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

egrabrych, on 29 October 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I confirm!

Mspaint.exe 5.00.1740.1 (Windows 98SE) in the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories sequentially exchanged on:
Mspaint.exe 4.00.950 (Windows 95)
Mspaint.exe 4.90.3000.1 (Windows ME)
Mspaint.exe 4.00 (Windows NT4)
Mspaint.exe 5.0.2150.1 (Windows 2000)
Mspaint.exe 5.1.2600.5512 (Windows XP)

None of the above 6 files Mspaint.exe did not generate an error described by TmEE.

However, if the folder C:\Program Files\Accessories put the file Mspaint.exe 5.00.1523.1, the error described by TmEE unfortunately occurred.

I can confirm too. I will remove it because it is not needed if you are not using Microsoft Office 97. Sorry guys for the inconvenience

[TmEE]

One thing I now noticed about the older version is that it can open a few more formats like PCX, however in cannot save into these formats so it is not so useful.
For opening, conversion and sometimes small edits nothing beats IrfanView, that program supports a lot of image formats when plugins pack is installed too !

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

TmEE, on 30 October 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

One thing I now noticed about the older version is that it can open a few more formats like PCX, however in cannot save into these formats so it is not so useful.
For opening, conversion and sometimes small edits nothing beats IrfanView, that program supports a lot of image formats when plugins pack is installed too !

Thanks TmEE You seem to be the only person with an issue with 3.8/3.9. Since I will fix it in 3.10, I will say we have a 99.9999999999999999 solid build. Since no one has come up with better solutions for USB drivers, I would assume rloew solution and a PS/2 mouse is the best route to go. If no one has any problems with 3.9, then the only change for 3.10 will be removing MSPAINT.EXE. I can then start my new endeavor

[Phoenix2104]

Hello,
I registered at this forum because I felt obliged to say "Thank you" for your work in this project. This also goes to people like Gape, Soporific, MDGx, Maximus Decim and others whose projects I've been using. After MS stopped support for this OS these service packs are invaluable for the average user who wants to keep using these legacy operating systems. Its obvious that you've put a lot of time and effort into this project and even more important, for free, and you deserve a LOT of respect and praise for this.
Since you are offering your work to the people for free, I'm not entitled to ask for anything. I would be happier though if you would reconsider your decision to raise the minimum RAM requirements for this package. I've read about the reason that led you to this decision and my view is that in your desire to protect those that are too lazy to read some documents (who perhaps don't deserve to be protected), you are punishing the people who need this service pack the most, i.e. those that are using old computers that cannot run any other OS (not even Linux) and that don't have or aren't able to support so much RAM. I believe that since you've put so much effort into this it's best as many people as possible to be able to benefit from it.
Thanks again for your work and thanks for listening.

This post has been edited by Phoenix2104: 01 November 2012 - 11:32 AM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I have not raised the ram as of yet. So you can install 3.9 if you want. Thank you for your input, and because of your approach, I will NOT raise it.

[Phoenix2104]

Thanks again.
Good luck in your next project and your life in general.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I will release 3.10 next week. Here are the changes so far

Added 3 missing registry keys for Windows Management Instrumentation
- HKCR,CLSID\%CIMWIN32CLSID%,,0,"Microsoft WBEM Managed Object Provider"
- HKCR,CLSID\%CIMWIN32CLSID%\InprocServer32,,0,"%11%\WBEM\CIMWIN32.dll"
- HKCR,CLSID\%CIMWIN32CLSID%\InprocServer32,ThreadingModel,0,"Both"
Cleaned up all INF files
Fixed Timestamp for EXPLORER.EXE when patching icons
Removed MSPAINT.EXE

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

After examining Auto Patcher, I have found that the only updates thats not included in SP3.x are

DirectX 9c
Internet Explorer 6
Microsoft L2TP/IPSec VPN Client 1.0
NET Framework
Netmeeting 3.01
Windows Image Acquisition 1.1 (WIA)
Windows Media Player 9 (WMP)

I have already added Active Directory Client Extension 5.0.2920.5 core files.

ACTIVEDS.DLL 5.0.2172.1
ACTIVEDS.TLB
ADPROP.HLP
ADSLDP.DLL 5.0.2172.1
ADSLDPC.DLL 5.0.2172.1
ADSMSEXT.DLL 5.0.2172.1
ADSNDS.DLL 5.0.2143.1
ADSNT.DLL 5.0.2191.1
ADSNW.DLL 5.0.2143.1
CMNQUERY.DLL 5.0.2195.1
CRYPTDLL.DLL 5.0.2195.1
DNSAPI.DLL 5.0.2181.1
DSCLIENT.CHM
DSCLIENT.HLP
DSFOLDER.DLL 5.0.2195.1
DSPROP.DLL 5.0.2195.1
DSQUERY.DLL 5.0.2195.1
DSUIEXT.DLL 5.0.2195.1
LOGONSRV.DLL 5.0.2195.1
NEGOTIAT.DLL 5.0.2195.4784
NTDSAPI.DLL 5.0.2195.1
NWAPI32.DLL 4.10.0.1381
NWAPILYR.DLL 5.0.2195.1
RADMIN32.DLL 3.51.867.1
RLOCAL32.DLL 3.51.867.1

I'm not sure about these runtime libraries, but do you think they are needed?

VB40016.DLL 4.0.24.22
VB40032.DLL 4.0.29.24
VBRUN100.DLL
VBRUN200.DLL 2.0.9.8
VBRUN300.DLL 3.0.5.38

[bphlpt]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 04 November 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

I'm not sure about these runtime libraries, but do you think they are needed?

VB40016.DLL 4.0.24.22
VB40032.DLL 4.0.29.24
VBRUN100.DLL
VBRUN200.DLL 2.0.9.8
VBRUN300.DLL 3.0.5.38

I would vote yes, but you know me.

Cheers and Regards

[TmEE]

I recall AP not offering to install older VB runtimes when something newer is already installed.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

TmEE, on 04 November 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

I recall AP not offering to install older VB runtimes when something newer is already installed.

If I understand correctly, there are no newer versions of the specific runtimes that I listed. That would mean they serve no purpose in Auto Patcher nor SP3.x.

[bphlpt]

But that's the thing about runtimes. Certain, admittedly poorly written, apps require a specific version of a particular runtime. You see this with versions of VB, VC++ (which is why all of the 2005, 2008, and 2010 versions continue to be updated as required and are usually all installed if any of them are needed), not to mention the worst offender .NET (in XP you can have 1.1, 2.0, 3.0, 3.5, and 4.0 all installed and potentially need all of them depending on what other apps you are running - you can even need v1.0 for a very specific case). So anyway, if you think you are going to need any version of the VB runtimes, you usually install all of them. Besides, if I remember right they are rather small.

Cheers and Regards

This post has been edited by bphlpt: 04 November 2012 - 10:50 PM