[computerfan9000]

Thanks for the help! I'll just back up those files and restore them afterwards.

[dencorso]

That's the way to do it.

[leo]

Hi, does 98 SE SP 3.1 change any of the issues with USB and VIA chipsets? There was talk of adding USBHUB20.SYS 4.90.3000.11 to SP3.CAB as VSBHUB20.SYS. Then users with VIA chipsets could delete USBHUB20.SYS 5.0.2195.6891 and rename VSBHUB20.SYS to USBHUB20.SYS.

Thanks

[submix8c]

leo, on 26 May 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Hi, does 98 SE SP 3.1 change any of the issues with USB and VIA chipsets? There was talk of adding USBHUB20.SYS 4.90.3000.11 to SP3.CAB as VSBHUB20.SYS. Then users with VIA chipsets could delete USBHUB20.SYS 5.0.2195.6891 and rename VSBHUB20.SYS to USBHUB20.SYS.

Thanks

??? If you had noticed, this is "in process"... Remember, that this project is BETA.

[Fredledingue]

____________________

huguia, on 25 May 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

I have SP3 Beta 4 installed. May i install the final version on top of it, or does it creates problems?

_____________________

It shouldn't cause problems, forcibly, automaticaly. I mean normaly it shouldn't but everything depends on which update have been made in the latest version.

If by the unlikely event, it's especialy an update which cause problem when reinstalled, then yes, you have bad luck, but we didn't say it never happens.

That's why we recommand cautiousness when proceeding (back up, back up and back up again).

It's also known that problems are much less likely to happen on a fresh W98SE install.

HTH

[leo]

submix8c, on 26 May 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

leo, on 26 May 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Hi, does 98 SE SP 3.1 change any of the issues with USB and VIA chipsets? There was talk of adding USBHUB20.SYS 4.90.3000.11 to SP3.CAB as VSBHUB20.SYS. Then users with VIA chipsets could delete USBHUB20.SYS 5.0.2195.6891 and rename VSBHUB20.SYS to USBHUB20.SYS.

Thanks

??? If you had noticed, this is "in process"... Remember, that this project is BETA.

Hello submix8c, I was excited to see the project was silently updated to 3.1 yesterday. Several files pertaining to USB have been updated and I was just wondering how this changes things. No disrespect was intended.

[Fredledingue]

To All and to PROBLEMCHYLD in particular:

The Website htasoft.com hosting 98SESP3.1 may be off line a few days or a few hours in the near future as I'm changing server.

I don't know exactly when yet. I'll post infos here as I get them.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

leo, on 26 May 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Hi, does 98 SE SP 3.1 change any of the issues with USB and VIA chipsets? There was talk of adding USBHUB20.SYS 4.90.3000.11 to SP3.CAB as VSBHUB20.SYS. Then users with VIA chipsets could delete USBHUB20.SYS 5.0.2195.6891 and rename VSBHUB20.SYS to USBHUB20.SYS.

Thanks

I haven't done it yet, but I probably will in upcoming releases.

submix8c, on 26 May 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

If you had noticed, this is "in process"... Remember, that this project is BETA.

Sorry, but this is not BETA because (we) do better.

leo, on 26 May 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Hello submix8c, I was excited to see the project was silently updated to 3.1 yesterday. Several files pertaining to USB have been updated and I was just wondering how this changes things. No disrespect was intended.

You can consider it to be silently, but the version /date was change specifically to reflect the new update.
I just got back from a funeral, and things are going good since I've learned to cope with death. Enjoy your update.

[Fredledingue]

The U98SESP3 Home page at htasoft.com may go offline at an unforeseable moment, between today and the five next working days as we move to another server.

Please use this link for download if the website is not accessible.
You can still visit the website as long as the transfer to the new server is still pending.

I cannot tell when it will happen exactely.

Sorry for the inconveniance.

PROBLEMCHYLD: Please don't upload anything for the moment.
Check your PM.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Just some screenshots. When the new server is up and running I will post them on the main page.

 MENUS.JPG (87.44K)
Number of downloads: 64

[DougB]

Within the next couple of weeks, i plan on wiping my main system (P4, 845, USB 2.0) and doing a clean Win98SE install with uSP 3.1. But first, before i do that -- as a just-to-see-what-happens experiment -- i'm going to try uSP 3.1 over the pre-existing Win98SE installation... with all my apps, utilities, drivers, updates (e.g,, uSP 3.0b4, 98SE2ME, etc), extensions (e.g., KernelEx, RP9, etc) already in place.

However, i have a few lingering USB-related questions... so i don't screw it up, and hopefully my feedback will be more meaningful.

I know you have to unplug all external USB devices, then install Main Updates, then go into Safe Mode on reboot and remove "all current USB/EHCI drivers + controllers" (as it says).

Question 1: Does this mean only USB 2.0/EHCI? (Or all USB, including EHCI (1.0, 1,1, 2.0)?)

On my system, when no USB devices are plugged in, the following list is the only Device Manager category which appears to be USB related. I assume all of them are "system" devices (i.e., not plug-in devices). Note that i have Intel Chipset Driver and NUSB 3.3 already installed (my notation "(x3)" means there are 3 of these listed -- the system unit has 6 physical USB sockets):

Universal Serial Bus controllers 
  Intel(R) 82891DB/DBM (ICH4 Family) USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 24CD
  Standard Universal PCI to USB Controller (x3)
  USB 2.0 Root Hub
  USB Root Hub (x3)

Question 2: Which of the above need to be removed? (I assume "USB 2.0 Root Hub" does, but any of the others?)

Question 3: In Safe Mode, do i need to remove non-mass-storage plug-in USB devices? (For example, things like a cable modem or scanner)?

Thanks, and i'll report back how it goes....

- Doug B.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

DougB, on 03 June 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Question 1: Does this mean only USB 2.0/EHCI? (Or all USB, including EHCI (1.0, 1,1, 2.0)?)

- Doug B.

IT MEANS ALL No offense to you Doug B, but I am sick and tired of answering the Remove All USB issue.
If its asked again because people can't comprehend what (ALL) means I will remove (ALL) USB drivers.
Then we won't have this problem in the future.

Quote

USB 2.0 NOTICE - Unplug all USB devices. Install main updates.
Remove all current USB/EHCI drivers + controllers from Device Manager in safe mode. REBOOT!
Let all drivers redetect on startup. Plug in USB devices one at a time.

maximus-decim, on 11 April 2005 - 12:09 AM, said:

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.3
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives, digital photo
and videocameras and other similar devices.
*Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall.
1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3.Remove ALL unknown devices.
4.Install NUSB 3.3 and reboot.
5.After detection new USB 2.0 controllers (if it will occur) too it is necessary to be reboot.
Remember! You install it at own risk!

Tihiy, on 24 January 2007 - 06:15 AM, said:

This driver is created from Windows 2000 SP4 USB 2.0 stack by SweetLow from russian Ru-Board forum.
http://sweetlow.at.t...wnload/usb2.zip


This is an expirimental build, i'm uploading it because i don't have enough Win98 park.
Please try it if you can/want.
Remove current USB/EHCI drivers (and their .inf files if there are), delete EHCI controllers from Device Manager.
You can also try to install it by right-click.

Feedback appreciated.
They'll be included into newer NUSB version if positive

The key word is Remove followed by the word (ALL)

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 03 June 2012 - 01:50 PM

[billyb]

I even asked that question when 3.0 was first released. And I read the instructions. I can understand a question becoming boring torture. Maybe a quick edit of the black release instructions might help. Something like .....
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
USB 2.0 NOTICE - Unplug all USB devices. Install main updates.
Remove ALL current USB/EHCI drivers + controllers from Device Manager in safe mode.
"All" means "ALL YOU SEE". You wouldn't believe how many people don't get what "all" means.
Then, REBOOT!
Let all drivers redetect on startup. Plug in USB devices one at a time.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd certainly understand that wording. Of course, you'll still get a few who still won't get it and will ask again.

By the way, I'm still having so much fun with 3.1 as well as a few of the Revolutions skins on several old systems. I'm sort of bouncing between these installs and checking out windows 8 on other systems. Such a long trip from the dos days.

This post has been edited by billyb: 03 June 2012 - 03:06 PM

[LoneCrusader]

DougB, on 03 June 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Question 1: Does this mean only USB 2.0/EHCI? (Or all USB, including EHCI (1.0, 1,1, 2.0)?)

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 03 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

IT MEANS ALL No offense to you Doug B, but I am sick and tired of answering the Remove All USB issue.
If its asked again because people can't comprehend what (ALL) means I will remove (ALL) USB drivers.
Then we won't have this problem in the future.

maximus-decim, on 11 April 2005 - 12:09 AM, said:

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.3
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives, digital photo
and videocameras and other similar devices.
*Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall.
1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3.Remove ALL unknown devices.
4.Install NUSB 3.3 and reboot.
5.After detection new USB 2.0 controllers (if it will occur) too it is necessary to be reboot.
Remember! You install it at own risk!

The key word is Remove followed by the word (ALL)

I believe the confusion arises from the differences between NUSB 3.3 and NUSB 3.5.

NUSB 3.3 and EARLIER only require removal of USB2 and USB Storage Devices & Drivers.

NUSB 3.5 and likely any FUTURE versions require removal of ALL USB Devices, period.

@PROBLEMCHYLD
Might help to quote maximus-decim on NUSB 3.5 instead of 3.3.

maximus-decim, on 08 August 2011 - 05:02 AM, said:

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.5
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives, digital photo
and videocameras and other similar devices.
*Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall.
1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3.Remove ALL USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers and devices.
4.Remove ALL unknown devices.
5.Install NUSB 3.5 and reboot.
6.After detection new USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers (if it will occur) too it is necessary to reboot.
Remember! You install it at own risk!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
English: http://www.zshare.ne...4510417a4f04d9/
Russian: http://www.zshare.ne...4510631daab5ad/

What's new?
*OPENHCI.SYS 4.90.3000.1
*UHCD.SYS 4.90.3000.1
*USBD.SYS 4.90.3000.1
*USBHUB.SYS 4.90.3002.1
*USBCCGP.SYS 5.1.2600.5585
*USB.INF 01.01 ( LoneCrusader)
*USBSTOR.INF 01.10dt (dencorso, add new devices)
*USB2.INF 01.01 (MD, add new devices)

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

LoneCrusader, on 03 June 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

I believe the confusion arises from the differences between NUSB 3.3 and NUSB 3.5.

NUSB 3.3 and EARLIER only require removal of USB2 and USB Storage Devices & Drivers.

NUSB 3.5 and likely any FUTURE versions require removal of ALL USB Devices, period.

@PROBLEMCHYLD
Might help to quote maximus-decim on NUSB 3.5 instead of 3.3.

There wouldn't be any confusion if people followed instructions. The instructions specifically says REMOVE ALL DEVICES.
Not some, not a couple, but ALL. Why are peolpe following NUSB instructions? The heck if I know.
They should be following the Service Pack instructions. If my one year old daughter can understand
All when asked to pick up her toys, then any adult should be able to do it also.

[rloew]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 04 June 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

LoneCrusader, on 03 June 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

I believe the confusion arises from the differences between NUSB 3.3 and NUSB 3.5.

NUSB 3.3 and EARLIER only require removal of USB2 and USB Storage Devices & Drivers.

NUSB 3.5 and likely any FUTURE versions require removal of ALL USB Devices, period.

@PROBLEMCHYLD
Might help to quote maximus-decim on NUSB 3.5 instead of 3.3.

There wouldn't be any confusion if people followed instructions. The instructions specifically says REMOVE ALL DEVICES.
Not some, not a couple, but ALL. Why are peolpe following NUSB instructions? The heck if I know.
They should be following the Service Pack instructions. If my one year old daughter can understand
All when asked to pick up her toys, then any adult should be able to do it also.

Finding ALL Devices may not be so easy, especially if using USB Keyboards and/or Mice. Some Drivers are hidden under "Human Interface Devices" for example.
Also removing ALL Devices may be difficult. On my MA785 Computer either my Keyboard or Mouse must be USB. Some Computers require both to be USB. Others may have internally mounted USB Devices.

The !README.TXT in NUSB35E.TXT fails to mention using Safe Mode. It also tells you to remove the Controllers, which is impractical.
It should not be necessary to remove Devices if installing from Safe Mode as they are not detected.

[Fredledingue]

LOL.
I asked the question about "all" devices two months ago and I see that we are still talking about it today.

I also find wierd that one should remove all USB devices eventhought they have nothing to do with storage.
As a result you have to browse through all the system device classification tree just in case a USB thing would be there, where you least expected. As RLoew said, you may find out that your mouse and keyboard are also USB devices. How do you proceed once they are disabled, I don't know.
Finaly you will have to reinstall half a dozen NON-storage devices for they came with a USB connection.

But if these are the instruction...

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

You guys can direct all USB related questions to members Tihiy, MDGx, and maximus-decim.
They are the founders of the USB packages. You can ask them why all devices should be removed.
I followed their instructions and gave them to you.
The next version of the Service Pack will (NOT) have any usb support. Enjoy

maximus-decim, on 04 June 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.6
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives, digital photo
and videocameras and other similar devices.
*Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall.
1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3.Remove ALL USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers and devices.
4.Remove ALL unknown devices.
5.Install NUSB 3.6 and reboot.
6.After detection new USB 1.1 and 2.0 controllers (if it will occur) too it is necessary to reboot.
Remember! You install it at own risk!

Tihiy, on 24 January 2007 - 06:15 AM, said:

This driver is created from Windows 2000 SP4 USB 2.0 stack by SweetLow from russian Ru-Board forum.
http://sweetlow.at.t...wnload/usb2.zip
http://tihiy.ahanix.org/usb2.zip

This is an expirimental build, i'm uploading it because i don't have enough Win98 park.
Please try it if you can/want.
Remove current USB/EHCI drivers (and their .inf files if there are), delete EHCI controllers from Device Manager.
You can also try to install it by right-click.

Feedback appreciated.
They'll be included into newer NUSB version if positive

[LoneCrusader]

Fredledingue, on 04 June 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

I also find wierd that one should remove all USB devices eventhought they have nothing to do with storage.

Because NUSB 3.5 (and by extension the Service Pack) replaces all of the USB Driver stack files. That includes ALL USB devices, not just storage.

If one installs either of these packages without first removing devices, it can lead to problems, such as those described by Drugwash in the NUSB thread.

This post has been edited by LoneCrusader: 04 June 2012 - 07:13 PM

[bphlpt]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 04 June 2012 - 01:16 PM, said:

The next version of the Service Pack will (NOT) have any usb support. Enjoy

PROBLEMCHYLD, I hope you will reconsider your decision and continue to include the latest Maximus Decim Native USB, now at ver.3.6, in your Service Pack. While I completely understand your frustration with users not reading the instructions then complaining to you when it doesn't work, I think the convenience for those that do read and follow the instructions should override that. You should not feel required to explain yourself to those that complain, a simple "RTFM" could suffice. If they continue to complain, I'm sure one of the other users will be glad to step in and tell them explicitly that they have to remove ALL USB devices, even if they have to borrow an old style keyboard and mouse to use until the USB stack is reinstalled. If rloew could verify that the Service Pack can be installed in Safe Mode without removing devices that could be an alternate solution.

Cheers and Regards