[TmEE]

That made it work ! Seems the VIA file works for ATI SB400 USB

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

TmEE, on 10 January 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

That made it work ! Seems the VIA file works for ATI SB400 USB

Thank you very much TmEE for testing. This is the problem me and others have been trying to fix. Now you can use all of the updated USB files in SP3 without problems. In the meantime, always remember to install the USB package from SP3, after that replace the USBHUB20.SYS with the VIA version while already in safe mode. It will make things a lot easier. Everything should load up just fine.

[farfigs11]

That works for me too! Hallelujah, updates and No more VIA BSOD. Thank you

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

farfigs11, on 10 January 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

That works for me too! Hallelujah, updates and No more VIA BSOD. Thank you

Music to my ears . The manual work around for VIA controllers is a definite go.

[farfigs11]

I just want to say after I installed SP3 I couldn't access the server( it's XP or later not sure) .My password was changed or deleted all together- not sure. I log on as "administrator" so I can access the server. All I had to do was delete the account and reenter it with the password.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

farfigs11, on 11 January 2013 - 07:40 AM, said:

I just want to say after I installed SP3 I couldn't access the server( it's XP or later not sure) .My password was changed or deleted all together- not sure. I log on as "administrator" so I can access the server. All I had to do was delete the account and reenter it with the password.

SP3 does NOT change or edit any type of users profile. Its a glitch on your end.

[FlippX]

Hey,
I know "don't mix em",
but did someone actually try to just install this pack ontop of eg. the AutoPatcher?? And what happend??

I mean if it's not working I'd have to reinstall windows anyways...

And in relation to that, can anyone recommend a good free (hdd-, OS- or whatever)-backup-software for this old OS?!?

And one more: Could this help me with the "GIMP-bug", I just posted? I mean is there the potential...actually it was already working without this pack in the past, but anyways..

PS.:
If I'm not completely wrong, this pack is as good as complete now!? So what's about adding some diagnostics-software, or other system-software to it? Personally I don't have problems with 3rd-party stuff, but even the ms-related things are not bad.. like eg. the Process-Explorer.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I will add Microsoft only tools. I have WDMSTUB.SYS, a few USB drivers and Adapec Aspi 4.7 drivers added and thats about it. Other tools are included in the SP but are only used for tasks. Everyone prefers their own specific software tools. I'm not the one to make their decisions, is why I use MS tools/files only. If they don't like it, then they probably shouldn't use SP3. More than 90% of SP is optional.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I will release 3.16 sometime soon. Right now, I'm fine tuning SP and so far I have two updated files.

NTMAPHLP.PDR 4.90.3000.0 WinME CD
TRIEDIT.DLL 6.1.0.9235 Windows 2000 SP4

I also had Microsoft L2TP/IPSec VPN Client 1.0 added but it hangs during installation so I removed it. It uses InstallShield and I used it with silent command and it still hangs

Anyone that has been having sluggish, slow, system incompatibilities, BSODs, crashes, lockups etc... due to the newer files [NT/ME/2000/XP/Vista/Win7], please post here . In the meantime, I'll continue adding the latest/newest compatible files because my system rocks with them and I'm sure yours do toooooooo. Enjoy the SP

[4js]

that sounds great, I'm looking forward
hope i will find time for testing
I would also politely ask for an update of the readme.txt (usbstack.exe ...)

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

4js, on 17 January 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

that sounds great, I'm looking forward
hope i will find time for testing
I would also politely ask for an update of the readme.txt (usbstack.exe ...)

How is this?

Prerequites:

Minimum 64 MB of RAM for Main Updates.
160 MB free hard disk space for (ALL) updates.

Installation Guide: * = Optional.

A. Install Windows 98 Second Edition (with or without 98lite).*
B. Install all the latest drivers for your hardware.
C. Install latest IE.*
D. Install latest DirectX.*
E. Install latest Service Pack 3.x (Main Updates).*
F. Install USBSTACK.EXE inside the Windows\System\ directory if you want updated USB drivers.* 
G. Remove all current USB/EHCI drivers + controllers from Device Manager in safe mode. REBOOT! (mandatory if you install USBSTACK.EXE)
H. Let all drivers redetect on startup. Plug in USB devices one at a time. If no new USB drivers have been added to Service Pack 3.x, then you only need to do this procedure (ONCE)!
I. If a BSOD occurs while updating USB devices, then users need to replace only the file USBHUB20.SYS 5.0.2195.6891 with older version USBHUB20.SYS 4.90.3000.11, then repeat step G. installation instruction.
J. Install optional components of Service Pack 3.x.*
K. Install MS Office.*
L. Install KernelEx, 98SE2ME, Revolution Pack.*

Known Issuses + Solutions:

When removing USB drivers while in safe mode, you NEED to be using a PS/2 mouse or keyboard. USB mouse and keyboard drivers needs to be deleted also.

Some (Crystal CS423x) audio drivers are not compatible with Service Pack 3.x.
Remove sound drivers, install the Service Pack, re-install sound drivers.

Links:

http://exuberant.ms11.net
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/61749-98-se-sp-33/


Special Thanks:

Gape, MDGx, erpdude8, Petr, CLASYS, Tihiy, DuckDaffy, eGorZ, swgreed, hp38guser, safir, sybesma, ssmokee, HSI, Tarun, azagahl,DanyBoss, miko, eidenk, sleffing, Drugwash, rloew, dencorso, jds, Fredledingue, gerislamico, Nexus_06, loblo, bphlpt, jaclaz, LoneCrusader, and all other contributors!

[4js]

this is perfect, thanks for clarification and
THANKS for your ongoing tireless work

[ReK67]

Hi, Me again (USB Keyboard/Mouse not responding when installing SP3.xx)
MOBO on that PC died. Got a new 98 compatible MOBO as I have to keep using Win98. - AsRock 775i65G R3.0 - New build, by myself - So far, so good. I'm pretty impressed/happy !
Just have 1 question and and my personal installation findings/comments.
Q: Why is it mandatory to remove all USB stuff in Safe Mode after installing usbstack.exe (just personal curiosity)

Installation findings/comments: All installs were on a fresh formatted test 8 Gb partition. Win98SE and all factory drivers installed. No conflicts or unknown devices in Device Manager noted.
Installed main updates only & restarted. Then I installed usbstack.exe and rebooted. Quite by accident, F8 key did not bring up boot menu to boot to safe mode so I just decided to let it proceed to see what would happen.
New hardware was detected and installed. It was all USB stuff but I didn't write it/them down. When asked if I wanted to keep newer versions of files to replace, I always chose keep newer file. PS/2 mouse was still needed after a certain point.
When I rebooted, the only device not recognized or installed was HID mouse. I was able to update driver (in device manager) with a file in Windows/Inf folder. After reboot, SUCCESS, SUCCESS, SUCCESS !!! Device manager was free of
conflicts and everything appears to work & FAST !. I'm still testing and have been using for many hours with no problem/issues so far. All my USB sticks are recognized & usable. Haven't tried any other USB devices yet.
I DO NOT recommend that anyone follow these/my procedures, they just my personal experiences. This same procedure also seemed to work on another PC of mine. ABIT NF7 w/AMD Anthlon CPU.
If you would like me to test any specific thing or make notes of a fresh install when updating to SP3 & usbstack, I'll see what I can do.
The only thing I happened to notice was the Win Key doesn't pop up the start menu. Win+E, Win+F, Win+R, etc. all work. This is no big deal & I don't know what the issue is. Just an FYI.
I think your about 99.9 % there.

1000 thank yous to you, PROBLEMCHYLD, & all your happy helpers/contributors ! YOU GUYS, (and or GALS) ARE THE BEST !!!

Rek67

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

ReK67, on 18 January 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

After reboot, SUCCESS, SUCCESS, SUCCESS !!! Device manager was free of
conflicts and everything appears to work & FAST !. I'm still testing and have been using for many hours with no problem/issues so far. All my USB sticks are recognized & usable.

Oh no! Not another user with increased system speed and stability. I shall remove all of the the updated files because they serve no purpose. They are just there taking up precious space We can just do it the old fashion Microsoft way instead of the way of the geeks that we are. I'm waiting on at least two people to tell me their system has malfunctioned or slowed down due to updated files. Yes, I'm trolling and I have my reasons. When people learn how to stay in their own lane and get the hell out my way, then I won't have a reason to go at anyone. Thanks again ReK67 for testing and enjoy.

P.S

I hope the SP with all the updated files crashes everyone system that download it. Just kidding, I'm in a GOOD mood, so I thought I'll give you guys a hard time. Really though, enjoy and report any issues GOOD or BAD so I can fix them immediately.

[rloew]

ReK67, on 18 January 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

Q: Why is it mandatory to remove all USB stuff in Safe Mode after installing usbstack.exe (just personal curiosity)

Some things can stay, some things must be removed, some things are redetected leaving unneeded Registry entries.
Determining which requires testing of every possible driver. This is not practical for a general purpose package.
It is much simpler to remove all of them cleanly.
Special situations, such as USB only Keyboard and Mouse, may require different handling, but that would not be part of a standard SP. At least not yet.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

rloew, on 18 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

ReK67, on 18 January 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

Q: Why is it mandatory to remove all USB stuff in Safe Mode after installing usbstack.exe (just personal curiosity)

Some things can stay, some things must be removed, some things are redetected leaving unneeded Registry entries.
Determining which requires testing of every possible driver. This is not practical for a general purpose package.
It is much simpler to remove all of them cleanly.
Special situations, such as USB only Keyboard and Mouse, may require different handling, but that would not be part of a standard SP. At least not yet.

Thank you rloew for explaining it. I couldn't have done it better.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 18 January 2013 - 01:47 PM

[ReK67]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 18 January 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

rloew, on 18 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

ReK67, on 18 January 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

Q: Why is it mandatory to remove all USB stuff in Safe Mode after installing usbstack.exe (just personal curiosity)

Some things can stay, some things must be removed, some things are redetected leaving unneeded Registry entries.
Determining which requires testing of every possible driver. This is not practical for a general purpose package.
It is much simpler to remove all of them cleanly.
Special situations, such as USB only Keyboard and Mouse, may require different handling, but that would not be part of a standard SP. At least not yet.

Thank you rloew for explaining it. I couldn't have done it better.

Thank you too, rloew, for your explanation. I will make sure I do it proper on any future re-installs.

PROBLEMCHYLD:At first I thought you were beatin' me up a little bit with your reply, but I guess not, after reading all. I'm still a little new/nervous with posting to this topic. Wish I had the skills you folks possess, to contribute more but I do greatly appreciate all of your(s) work (I hope this quote works like it should. Still learning the ropes)

You folks are GREAT, & I'm luvin' my New & Improved 98 !!!

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

ReK67, on 18 January 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Thank you too, rloew, for your explanation. I will make sure I do it proper on any future re-installs.

PROBLEMCHYLD:At first I thought you were beatin' me up a little bit with your reply, but I guess not, after reading all. I'm still a little new/nervous with posting to this topic. Wish I had the skills you folks possess, to contribute more but I do greatly appreciate all of your(s) work (I hope this quote works like it should. Still learning the ropes)

You folks are GREAT, & I'm luvin' my New & Improved 98 !!!

Glad you understood and didn't take offense.

I have a question for users. Would you guys mind if I moved the Start up and Shutdown logos to Main Updates. The reason I'm asking is because they are the original with just Second Edition added to them. This will also speed up installation time when choosing multiple options. On a 850mhz with 512MB Ram, it takes SP four minutes flat to install all components except for Main Updates and MDAC.

[Drugwash]

Those logos are part of the personalization capabilities that MS seems to have "accidentally" slipped in, considering the later Windows versions. Personally, I could never stand the original logos, always changed them a.s.a.p. after installation.

Therefore, from my point of view, the logos should remain optional, as long as anyone could have already personalized them and they're not part of the core system (such as system libraries, drivers, etc). If something overwrote them without my knowledge and consent, I'd be quite... you know...

Let's hear other opinions too.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Drugwash, on 18 January 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Those logos are part of the personalization capabilities that MS seems to have "accidentally" slipped in, considering the later Windows versions. Personally, I could never stand the original logos, always changed them a.s.a.p. after installation.

Therefore, from my point of view, the logos should remain optional, as long as anyone could have already personalized them and they're not part of the core system (such as system libraries, drivers, etc). If something overwrote them without my knowledge and consent, I'd be quite... you know...

Let's hear other opinions too.

Which is the reason I'm asking. I don't like things forcefully installed on my system either. All the software I use is broken down to necessities. I hate bloatware. Thats why more than 90% of SP is optional. Updating is on its last leg for the moment. When I release updates normally, I usually have more than two changes. This is a good thing. If KernelEx gets updates then I will update SP accordingly. Thanks for your feedback. I'll leave them optional.