[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Dave-H, on 09 November 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

Glad you sorted out the folder naming problem!
Just one suggestion Problemchyld.
If you are declaring this to be a final release of SP3, it should be 3.0 and should not then be subsequently altered.
Any subsequent fixes or additions should be SP3.1, 3.2 etc.
The title of this thread should be changed to 98 SE SP 3 too, or a new thread started!
Drop the "Beta" if it no longer is a beta.

A mod would have to change the title, or I would have to start a new thread. Its not quite final yet but pretty dang close and its not beta anymore either.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 09 November 2011 - 05:13 PM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I'm going to add MSXML 4.0 SP 2, are there an objections?

[Drugwash]

I vaguely recall having had some problems with MSXML 4.0, but that was years ago and can't remember the details. If it's not mandatory, you may add it as an optional package. It's worth waiting for other opinions too, maybe it was just me and my notorious bad luck.

[bristols]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 10 November 2011 - 12:17 PM, said:

I'm going to add MSXML 4.0 SP 2, are there an objections?

Have you added MSXML 2.5?

Windows 98 SE shipped with MSXML 2.0b (Msxml.dll). MSXML 2.5 SP3 (direct download) was the last version that retained that file name (build 8.00.6730.0). MSXML 2.6 was Msxml2.dll, version 3 was Msxml3.dll, and so on.

List of Microsoft XML Parser (MSXML) versions.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I thought MSXML 4.0 SP2 supersede older versions. If it doesn't then I can add'em all.

[bristols]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 10 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

I thought MSXML 4.0 SP2 supersede older versions. If it doesn't then I can add'em all.

I'm pretty sure that, just like .NET Framework, it doesn't. Occasionally there might be some app or other that requires Msxml.dll rather than Msxml2.dll, for example.

My opinion: make all MSXML versions apart from 2.5 SP3 optional. As I said, 2.5 SP3 is an update for the version that shipped with 98 SE.

This post has been edited by bristols: 10 November 2011 - 04:03 PM

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bristols, on 10 November 2011 - 04:02 PM, said:

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 10 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

I thought MSXML 4.0 SP2 supersede older versions. If it doesn't then I can add'em all.

I'm pretty sure that, just like .NET Framework, it doesn't. Occasionally there might be some app or other that requires Msxml.dll rather than Msxml2.dll, for example.

Thanks I will add 2 and 4.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

These are the MSXML files I will be adding MSXML 2.5 SP3 + MSXML 4.0 SP2 in the next release.

MSXML.DLL 8.0.7002.0
MSXML4.DLL 4.20.9876.0
MSXML4A.DLL 4.10.9404.0
MSXML4R.DLL 4.10.9404.0
MSXMLA.DLL 8.0.6730.0
MSXMLR.DLL 8.0.6730.0

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 10 November 2011 - 07:58 PM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Apparently IE6 installs MSXML 2.5 SP 3 + MSXML 3.0 SP 7. Less work for me to do
But I will add the updated MSXML3.DLL 8.70.1113.0 and MSXML 4.0 SP 2.
New update later today.

[Drugwash]

Are you sure? Please check again carefully. I've seen msxml3.* in two IE6-SP1 cabs: IEMIL_3.CAB and IEW2K_4.CAB, which would belong to Millenium and 2000, respectively. Since we're talking about a 98SE package, let's make sure that MSXML3 is actually installed under Win98SE.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Well, I just did a clean install with 98lite pro
ripped out xml support ,updated IE6 with the web installer, and version 2 and 3 of MSXML was on my system.
It had to be IE6 that put it there because I check before I installed anything.

[Drugwash]

Web installer? Hmmm... What would that be? I have a (presumably) full package of IE6-SP1 somewhere on my HDD, complete with language packs. Could you check whether my package misses something?
And somebody tell me why can't I upload a file to MSFN !?!

IE6 file list

This post has been edited by Drugwash: 12 November 2011 - 05:48 AM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Just run the ie6setup.exe without the cab files and IE6 will update of course you'll need a internet connection.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 11 November 2011 - 05:17 PM

[Drugwash]

... an Internet connection capped at 5GB monthly, after which the download speed will become ridiculously low to be usable.
My current IE folder is 72,489,803 bytes, containing the files in the above-posted list. Last time I did a so-called web update, I remember having selected "download only" or something similar (after having selected all possible options,including language packs), so that all missing packages were downloaded and stored in the IE6 folder, so I assumed the folder would contain a full IE6 install kit. Don't forget there may be situations where a machine can't connect to the Internet right away (or ever), so the offline IE install kit should contain everything possible

[EDIT]
Forgot to say that certain IE6 libraries may actually be required by some applications to be able to run/display properly. MS released (deliberately or not - this is not the point right now) some system libraries only together with IE6 and in time, programmers took advantage of these updates, so whatever 9x-compatible applications out there, may well require these libraries. So it's not just a matter of "I hate IE so I remove it from my system", but a simple compatibility issue: if you want certain applications to run, you better update and keep all your IE libraries in your system. If you want, you may rename IEXPLORE.EXE to something else, as I did long ago, but removing all IE-related libraries from a system is a big mistake in my not-so-newbish opinion.

This post has been edited by Drugwash: 11 November 2011 - 05:37 PM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I think it just a matter of time before M$ take it down. This is the only way I update IE6. Never done it with the full package.
I never had problems this way either.

[Drugwash]

The more important that someone puts together a really fully package for offline installation, should anything happen to the online "pipe". Supposedly that would've been the case with soporific's UBCD, but I'm not sure it actually did contain the complete package.

Fortunately, yesterday I managed to revive my broken PM9MS mobo by replacing 5 gonflated capacitors (to a total of 19 replaced on that mobo since I got it), so I could now mount a spare HDD on the other machine and try to put together a full IE6 package through a web install. But that'll take some time and only after I get to cook something for the next week, coz working on an empty stomach is not pleasant.

This post has been edited by Drugwash: 11 November 2011 - 05:56 PM

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Drugwash: I have the very same files in my IE6 package. Besides updates they are the latest afaik.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Updated

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 12 November 2011 - 11:45 AM

[rloew]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 11 November 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

Removed ASPI

Why are you removing ASPI. It is needed to directly access CD/DVD Drives.

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rloew, on 12 November 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

Why are you removing ASPI. It is needed to directly access CD/DVD Drives.

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 11 November 2011 - 10:01 PM, said:

No 3rd party applications as of this point.