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Q: Why is it mandatory to remove all USB stuff in Safe Mode after installing usbstack.exe (just personal curiosity)

Some things can stay, some things must be removed, some things are redetected leaving unneeded Registry entries.
Determining which requires testing of every possible driver. This is not practical for a general purpose package.
It is much simpler to remove all of them cleanly.
Special situations, such as USB only Keyboard and Mouse, may require different handling, but that would not be part of a standard SP. At least not yet.

Thank you rloew for explaining it. I couldn't have done it better. :hello:

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 18 January 2013 - 01:47 PM.

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Q: Why is it mandatory to remove all USB stuff in Safe Mode after installing usbstack.exe (just personal curiosity)

Some things can stay, some things must be removed, some things are redetected leaving unneeded Registry entries.
Determining which requires testing of every possible driver. This is not practical for a general purpose package.
It is much simpler to remove all of them cleanly.
Special situations, such as USB only Keyboard and Mouse, may require different handling, but that would not be part of a standard SP. At least not yet.

Thank you rloew for explaining it. I couldn't have done it better. :hello:


Thank you too, rloew, for your explanation. I will make sure I do it proper on any future re-installs.

PROBLEMCHYLD:At first I thought you were beatin' me up a little bit with your reply, but I guess not, after reading all. I'm still a little new/nervous with posting to this topic. Wish I had the skills you folks possess, to contribute more but I do greatly appreciate all of your(s) work (I hope this quote works like it should. Still learning the ropes)

You folks are GREAT, & I'm luvin' my New & Improved 98 !!!

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Thank you too, rloew, for your explanation. I will make sure I do it proper on any future re-installs.

PROBLEMCHYLD:At first I thought you were beatin' me up a little bit with your reply, but I guess not, after reading all. I'm still a little new/nervous with posting to this topic. Wish I had the skills you folks possess, to contribute more but I do greatly appreciate all of your(s) work (I hope this quote works like it should. Still learning the ropes)

You folks are GREAT, & I'm luvin' my New & Improved 98 !!!

Glad you understood and didn't take offense.

I have a question for users. Would you guys mind if I moved the Start up and Shutdown logos to Main Updates. The reason I'm asking is because they are the original with just Second Edition added to them. This will also speed up installation time when choosing multiple options. On a 850mhz with 512MB Ram, it takes SP four minutes flat to install all components except for Main Updates and MDAC.

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Those logos are part of the personalization capabilities that MS seems to have "accidentally" slipped in, considering the later Windows versions. Personally, I could never stand the original logos, always changed them a.s.a.p. after installation.

Therefore, from my point of view, the logos should remain optional, as long as anyone could have already personalized them and they're not part of the core system (such as system libraries, drivers, etc). If something overwrote them without my knowledge and consent, I'd be quite... you know... ;)

Let's hear other opinions too.

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Those logos are part of the personalization capabilities that MS seems to have "accidentally" slipped in, considering the later Windows versions. Personally, I could never stand the original logos, always changed them a.s.a.p. after installation.

Therefore, from my point of view, the logos should remain optional, as long as anyone could have already personalized them and they're not part of the core system (such as system libraries, drivers, etc). If something overwrote them without my knowledge and consent, I'd be quite... you know... ;)

Let's hear other opinions too.

Which is the reason I'm asking. I don't like things forcefully installed on my system either. All the software I use is broken down to necessities. I hate bloatware. Thats why more than 90% of SP is optional. Updating is on its last leg for the moment. When I release updates normally, I usually have more than two changes. This is a good thing. If KernelEx gets updates then I will update SP accordingly. Thanks for your feedback. I'll leave them optional. :ph34r:

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It seems that adding MDAC 2.82 won't be that easy. It will require a lot of repacking and creating a new installer for it.

It seems like the 81 files from Win XP SP3 works well and are newer than MDAC 2.82 far as the date :w00t: I have been running them on my hybrid machine and they seem to be working well so far :yes:

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Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 22 January 2013 - 08:42 PM.

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3.17 in a few days :thumbup

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Hi Problemchyld, did you tested Ole32.dll and NTdll.dll from XP ??

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ntdll.dll from NT4: IoUnregisterDeviceInterface is missing
ntdll.dll from XP: you will get an invalid page fault from msgsrv32 (then the system will become unresponsive)
ole32.dll from NT4 and XP: explorer will crash at startup

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Hi Problemchyld, did you tested Ole32.dll and NTdll.dll from XP ??

No I haven't, but it looks like some else has.

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You guys may already be aware that Universal Plug n Play (UPNP) also installs WinXP Internet Connection Sharing (ICS). I will be splitting the option in two. The reason being, users who have routers don't need ICS. It only added about 5 seconds to installation time when all options are checked, not a big deal. Hopefully I will have an update by the weekend.

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Looking forward to 3.17 thanks for all your hard work problemchild :)

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First of all, great work with the SP. It's made 98 alot more usable.

I've come across a pretty big issue with the USB stack though. I have a KVM and when I switch to the other PC and back, I loose both mice and have to reboot in order to get them back. The keyboard still works (also USB) so I don't know if it's something specific to mice or what.

Right now I'm using NUSB 3.6, which seems to work good but I'd like to get your stack working with my setup if possible.

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First of all, great work with the SP. It's made 98 alot more usable.

I've come across a pretty big issue with the USB stack though. I have a KVM and when I switch to the other PC and back, I loose both mice and have to reboot in order to get them back. The keyboard still works (also USB) so I don't know if it's something specific to mice or what.

Right now I'm using NUSB 3.6, which seems to work good but I'd like to get your stack working with my setup if possible.

Make sure you have a PS/2 mouse or Keyboard. Install USBSTACK.EXE, REBOOT into SAFE MODE. Remove all USB related devices in Device Manager. REBOOT. Let every device redetect on start up. Thats it. Enjoy!

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Can someone add Second Edition to the start banner. This is the original Win98 version. I just trying to get it original as possible. Many users will like this. I still would like my own customize start banner, but thats a different story.

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 15 February 2013 - 07:00 PM.

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OK, I'll give that method a shot. I typically install them with the other drivers during the first reboot. Maybe somethings going wrong there.

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No luck :(

You can replicate the problem by unplugging your mouse and then plugging it back in (if you don't have a kvm)

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No luck :(

You can replicate the problem by unplugging your mouse and then plugging it back in (if you don't have a kvm)

What is the actual problem you are having? All of my USB devices work.

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I have 2 computers, a Win8 pc and a 98SE pc. Both are hooked to a KVM. When I switch from the 98SE to the Win8 pc and then back - I loose my mouse and have to reboot in order to get it back. If I plug a mouse directly into the 98SE pc and I unplug it / plug it back in, it does the same thing. Basically, there's a hot plug issue.

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I have 2 computers, a Win8 pc and a 98SE pc. Both are hooked to a KVM. When I switch from the 98SE to the Win8 pc and then back - I loose my mouse and have to reboot in order to get it back. If I plug a mouse directly into the 98SE pc and I unplug it / plug it back in, it does the same thing. Basically, there's a hot plug issue.

I just reproduce it. I will fix it asap. Thanks for testing.

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Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 16 February 2013 - 11:25 AM.

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Awesome, thanks. I knew I wasn't crazy :P

There's another issue not specifically related to your stack (it does it with everyone I've tried) but if you leave a flash drive installed and reboot, Windows will assign a 2nd drive letter to it as drive D (fixed disk icon). If you then eject the flash drive, drive D remains and you'll get a blue screen if anything tries to access it.

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Awesome, thanks. I knew I wasn't crazy :P

There's another issue not specifically related to your stack (it does it with everyone I've tried) but if you leave a flash drive installed and reboot, Windows will assign a 2nd drive letter to it as drive D (fixed disk icon). If you then eject the flash drive, drive D remains and you'll get a blue screen if anything tries to access it.

The bug was located and then terminated :thumbup Thanks, its people like you that helps me improve the SP. New update later tonight or early tomorrow.

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Thanks, glad to help :)

Some other bugs/ideas:

When installing TrueType Fonts, there's some file not found error messages (might be normal, see attached image)
Make esdi_506.pdr, vmm.vxd, and vcache.vxd optional for rloew patch users
Include the updated disk tools (http://www.mdgx.com/files/BHDD31.ZIP)

I also had some weird issues with xbox controllers (5sec pause every time I shot a gun in SoF if it was plugged in). It may have been sound card related (yay creative). I'll recheck it when your new version comes out.

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There's another issue not specifically related to your stack (it does it with everyone I've tried) but if you leave a flash drive installed and reboot, Windows will assign a 2nd drive letter to it as drive D (fixed disk icon). If you then eject the flash drive, drive D remains and you'll get a blue screen if anything tries to access it.

Your BIOS is recognizing the Flash Drive and reporting it like a Hard Drive so DOS assigns a Drive Letter. Windows remounts it over the existing Drive Letter.
Ejecting the Flash Drive leaves a partially deleted Drive structure.
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I got that problem too when I leave in my USB memory card reader. Then I get 4x drives in the middle of existing, disrupting my drive layout. One day I'll look into my BIOS and add a hack to make mounting USB devices optional...

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