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I sure hope there are others who know a heck of a lot more about graphics than I do. :)

The JPG format is of no use for this particular purpose, especially being lossy - the format must be BMP, since it has to be hacked into explorer.exe as the BITMAP resource with ID 157.

Another thing is that the gradient should be calculated so that the bitmap viewed in 4bpp (in situations where video driver is missing or inappropriate) would not "split" the first word or otherwise look unaesthetical.

One other detail, albeit minor, would be resource 161, which is loaded in Safe Mode instead of resource 157. That's a grey-shaded image, much shorter than 157, but nevertheless it could be hacked into showing Second Edition somehow.

I've played with res 157 a few days ago but never got to post the results. Banner3.bmp would be the best bet, since it's the only one that takes into account the 4bpp aspect.
Here you are: download.


I assume that 4bpp means 4 bits per pixel, (meaning 16 color mode I guess?), but I have no idea how to apply that to the gradient or how to force viewing in that mode to see how it looks. But if no one else volunteers, then I'll give it a try, but no guarantees!

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I don't know much about anything, but I'm very ambitious when I really wanna do something. ;)
Yes, 4bpp means four bits per pixel, equal to 16 colors. Depending on your image editor, there may be an option to change color depth with/out dithering. After creating the blank image and applying the gradient, add the 'Windows' text, then you may duplicate the original file (for safety) and change color depth to 4bpp, see how it looks. Certain tools allow application of the gradient only on a user-defined area, the rest being filled with the two basic colors that make the gradient. Changing the location (and width) of this area will change the border between the two colors, in 4bpp mode. It just needs trial and error.

However, this is not a crucial requirement at all, just trying to avoid the nitpickers that are always out there, lurking in the shadows. :D

EDIT:
Here's some new artwork I managed to crop up: download
There's both resource 157 and 161 in there, plus the full intermediary version set in the icon file.
Fonts used: Impact, Arial Narrow, Haettenschweiler, Tahoma
Colors: #FFFFFF, #FF2E2E, #C0C0C0, #808080
Gradient: #010080 -> #0000F6

Enjoy!

Edited by Drugwash, 23 February 2013 - 11:14 PM.


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Thanks Drugwash, I need a small favor, the red that you used in banner 1, can you add it to banner 2? Make no other changes please, just the color. Thank you very much.

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... I LOVE the red color bphlpt added to Second Edition.

I decided to try my hand at this as well. I can't get the red color to look right though, it clashes/bleeds too much with the blue. It would look good on black though... :unsure:

Here's my attempt, without the red.

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There you are: download
It may be one pixel off to the right or something, I had to rebuild it from scratch because the alpha blending doesn't always work identically and there would've been some white trails left. And well, I had already forgotten which font I used for that version (it was Arial Narrow, Bold, 14). Yep, absent-minded, that's me! :blushing:

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There you are: download
It may be one pixel off to the right or something, I had to rebuild it from scratch because the alpha blending doesn't always work identically and there would've been some white trails left. And well, I had already forgotten which font I used for that version (it was Arial Narrow, Bold, 14). Yep, absent-minded, that's me! :blushing:

I will either use the one with the red or without it. Lets see what others users think. Thanks, it looks great. :thumbup :w00t:

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 24 February 2013 - 12:26 AM.

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One other detail, albeit minor, would be resource 161, which is loaded in Safe Mode instead of resource 157. That's a grey-shaded image, much shorter than 157, but nevertheless it could be hacked into showing Second Edition somehow.

Bitmap 161 is not used by Windows 98 at all. The Bitmap 157 is used in Safe Mode as well.

Bitmap 161 is used by Windows 95 when it uses this same version of EXPLORER (IE 4 Desktop Shell). See here for my woes with this. :( :no:

Edited by LoneCrusader, 24 February 2013 - 12:35 AM.


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Hi,

I was giving this a spin on a Windows 98SE installation the other day. Fine work and all that, but I wanted to ask: what's with the inclusion of the inferior version of TweakUI? Isn't the 1.33 version (see http://www.mdgx.com/98-3.htm) superior?

Apologies if this has been hashed out a million times already; a quick search revealed no relevant discussion.

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I will either use the one with the red or without it. Lets see what others users think. Thanks, it looks great. :thumbup :w00t:

You're welcome! I'd still prefer the one to the left with 'uSP3' but hey, you're the boss. :D

If you want an honest vote, copy/paste all versions presented here from all users (bphlpt, Lone Crusader, me) in a single image, give'em numbers and ask people to vote what they like most. Since most images are hidden within archives and not everyone would go to the length of downloading those archives just to look at a bunch of banners, the voting (if any) may not truly reflect reality.

But then again, we have much bigger problems than a startup menu banner... And you know what's funny? Personally I always use small icons menu, which doesn't show a banner, because I just feel it's a waste of memory, besides having a huge menu that'd extend past the screen's height if it used large icons. :) But let's not be selfish, there's people who like it so... choose the best and enjoy! :)

@LoneCrusader: Oh well, what's a few hours compared to a wasted lifetime... Since I built a few versions of that banner as well, one of them may find its way in, just for kicks.
On the other hand, it shows I'm not having troubles with my system, having to reboot in Safe Mode, otherwise I would've already known that! :rolleyes: My uptimer app shows current session has been up for 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours and 50 minutes.

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I will either use the one with the red or without it. Lets see what others users think. Thanks, it looks great. :thumbup :w00t:

You're welcome! I'd still prefer the one to the left with 'uSP3' but hey, you're the boss. :D

If you want an honest vote, copy/paste all versions presented here from all users (bphlpt, Lone Crusader, me) in a single image, give'em numbers and ask people to vote what they like most. Since most images are hidden within archives and not everyone would go to the length of downloading those archives just to look at a bunch of banners, the voting (if any) may not truly reflect reality.

But then again, we have much bigger problems than a startup menu banner... And you know what's funny? Personally I always use small icons menu, which doesn't show a banner, because I just feel it's a waste of memory, besides having a huge menu that'd extend past the screen's height if it used large icons. :) But let's not be selfish, there's people who like it so... choose the best and enjoy! :)

@LoneCrusader: Oh well, what's a few hours compared to a wasted lifetime... Since I built a few versions of that banner as well, one of them may find its way in, just for kicks.
On the other hand, it shows I'm not having troubles with my system, having to reboot in Safe Mode, otherwise I would've already known that! :rolleyes: My uptimer app shows current session has been up for 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours and 50 minutes.

Go ahead, I like when people vote. It shows who all have interest. I have to say, I like LoneCrusader Second Edition font style better. It has a bolder look, it stands out among the other fonts. I'm too lazy to gather all the images. Can someone help me out please. Yes, I'm lazy too at times :w00t:

Hi,

I was giving this a spin on a Windows 98SE installation the other day. Fine work and all that, but I wanted to ask: what's with the inclusion of the inferior version of TweakUI? Isn't the 1.33 version (see http://www.mdgx.com/98-3.htm) superior?

Apologies if this has been hashed out a million times already; a quick search revealed no relevant discussion.

They are the same.

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 24 February 2013 - 01:00 AM.

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I like LoneCrusader Second Edition font style better. It has a bolder look, it stands out among the other fonts.

Normally I'm all about maintaining the original look when it comes to the Windows 9x UI. :angel

But this is one case where I have tried, and tried, and tried, and TRIED :wacko: to reproduce the proper Font style, size, and spacing of the original. I have tried every possible variant of the Arial font family, and no matter what I do, It NEVER looks like the original. I finally gave up on Arial because I don't like how the "W" looks.

In this case I used Tahoma.

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As you can see I waste no time :thumbup It looks and feel original :thumbup

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 24 February 2013 - 03:03 AM.

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One problem I see is that everyone else is trying to use the original banner and edit it. While this is possible, it is much harder to avoid distortion, and would require a lot of pixel-by-pixel touch up.

I can create plain "gradient" banners to use as starting points if anyone wants this. You can add text to them, save, and then re-open them and reduce the color depth to 16 colors once you have it like you want it. This results in a much clearer image...

Here's a couple of examples...

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One problem I see is that everyone else is trying to use the original banner and edit it. While this is possible, it is much harder to avoid distortion, and would require a lot of pixel-by-pixel touch up.

I can create plain "gradient" banners to use as starting points if anyone wants this. You can add text to them, save, and then re-open them and reduce the color depth to 16 colors once you have it like you want it. This results in a much clearer image...

Here's a couple of examples...

Thanks and if the red can be just a little bit darker, I will stop crying :angel

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EDIT:
Old gallery was removed.
Please see post #2172 for the full banner gallery.

Edited by Drugwash, 26 February 2013 - 11:55 PM.


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Ok Drugwash, you are the man right now :hello: What can you do with these?
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Thanks and if the red can be just a little bit darker, I will stop crying :angel

Here's a special version, with the red, just for you :lol:

I think the Red-on-Blue doesn't look good in this situation, but everyone's got their own opinion. :thumbup

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Oh c'mon, I can do that kind of stuff anytime! I've done all of my banners from scratch, doesn't it show? There's blank gradients in both archives, inside the icon files, to prove it.
You first said you wanted it to look as similar as possible to the original, now it doesn't matter anymore. You're a problem child alright! :lol:

Now, what exactly do you want it to look like? Choose a font, choose the colors, choose the backgrouns gradient style and colors, choose the exact text, choose whatever else any type'em down, so we know where to go to.

It's 10AM here after a blank night, so please make it fast while I prepare myself another coffee. :angel

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Oh c'mon, I can do that kind of stuff anytime! I've done all of my banners from scratch, doesn't it show? There's blank gradients in both archives, inside the icon files, to prove it.
You first said you wanted it to look as similar as possible to the original, now it doesn't matter anymore. You're a problem child alright! :lol:

Now, what exactly do you want it to look like? Choose a font, choose the colors, choose the backgrouns gradient style and colors, choose the exact text, choose whatever else any type'em down, so we know where to go to.

It's 10AM here after a blank night, so please make it fast while I prepare myself another coffee. :angel

I like # 10, I prefer the Windows font style from # 1-9. I like how the 98 is separated from Windows. I also like the Second Edition font style, although it can be a little bigger and painted in RED. Thanks

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Does any of these fit your requirements? download

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Does any of these fit your requirements? download

Yes, I love the 3rd one. Thank you friend. I'm going to patch my explorer and stare at the start menu for a few hours, :thumbup

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Praise the Lord - the Master is finally happy! :P So much for the voting though... :whistle:

Well, glad to be of service. Have a good one! ;)

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Praise the Lord - the Master is finally happy! :P So much for the voting though... :whistle:

Well, glad to be of service. Have a good one! ;)

Users can still vote. I will use this one for myself

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OK, I've updated the image in post #2140 with the latest 3 files. One might have to clear browser cache to view the updated image.

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fwiw I'd vote for no14, it would be even better I think if "Second Edition" was located a few pixels lower, to be on the same bottom line with "Windows 98".
I wouldn't mind much with any banner though. :D




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