[morfix]

for what purpose did you suggest to use them ?
window string and file operations to do what ?

[Camarade_Tux]

A bit of everything. I find it as easy as batch and more powerful. And string operations means you can easily manipulate strings with it, probably easier than many languages. But I forgot one think : easily create GUIs.

[vci]

@indie

there is an easy solution to that problem:
put the site to which it tries to connect in the host file in \system32\drivers\etc
afair it was steampowered.com (or just look at the message that prompts)

127.0.0.1 steampowered.com

@monohouse
from my point of view this is very similiar to an article of sysinternals, there it is described how to kill many processes with their process explorer
can't see anything new + huge! loss of functionality

[monohouse]

what functionality ?
how come I did not loose any functionality ?
that part from sysinternals is not necessarilly to be run, only if you choose to, obviously you should only do that if it suits you, however, the deleted edition is about to have a working winblows xp version at minimum amount of space, it has the same functionality, obviously for those that choose to use the sysinternals idea in ADDITION to the deleted edition's basic deletion scripts (which have nothing to do with sysinternals), then it's all welcome for more efficiency.

the deleted edition turns a ~300 MB winblows xp (build 0) (nLite all components removed) into a < 100 MB (for now).

the addition of deleted driver versions for video cards, and pre-deleted drivers for other components make it even better.

granted, this is not linux, there is an optimized linux version already, but I have yet to see a winblows xp version which is less than 100 MB in size (on disk after installation, not compressed), and I have yet to see a winblows xp version which does not create files of it's own, files like inf caches, reinstallbackups, last known good backups....

I don't see what functionality was lost here, the obvious loss of functionality from killing the winblows xp processes only occurs if imho you kill the processes.

everyone please keep in mind this is an ALPHA version, that means it is not yet designed to run without examining the scripts and manually testing FIRST.

however, the drivers for video cards are already tested, and are fully working, the nvidia drivers don't loose any functionality, because you use RivaTuner to control the various driver parameters, and the ATI driver parameters have registry entries which have been provided on the site, there is no need for programs when you can change registry, remember Deleted Edition™ is a 1337 thing, anyone 1337 enough will be able to get his functionality back if he lost something important because of Deleted Edition™ (and you might want to start with Comrade's signature).

can those Auto things run in real DOS mode ?

This post has been edited by monohouse: 11 June 2006 - 06:33 PM

[shix]

@monohouse

props for your great work. im running the ati diet drivers from your site. it works just fine.

could you recommend any methods of running the batch file scripts on a windows drive running ntfs?

[Camarade_Tux]

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I don't see what functionality was lost here, the obvious loss of functionality from killing the winblows xp processes only occurs if imho you kill the processes.

I experimented a bit on my computer. For example killink lsass.exe prevents me from closing my session. Do you mean you don't have this problem ?

[monohouse]

I recommend NOT to use ntfs filesystem on the boot drive, and unfortunately Deleted Edition™ does not cover writing to ntfs volumes in real mode DOS (does it work anywhere other than winblows ?) not even Linux can write to ntfs drives, ntfs sucks, use fat16 on your boot drive C and make sure it's size is less than 2 GB (you don't need any more than that for your boot drive anyway). fat16 is fastest of all winblows filesystems, especially with a 64K cluster size.

yes it is very likely that if you kill winlogon.exe and lsass.exe you will not be able to :

1. use CTRL+ALT+DELETE menu
2. be able to use winblows' shutdown/restart (maybe standby too)
3. possibly loose the ability to copy text from firefox

but think for a moment, what do you do when you press CTRL+ALT+DELETE ? what do you need it for ?
for me the answer is simple, when there is no other task manager can be run, you can try to use CTRL+ALT+DELETE to get the winblows task manager, but we already have a much better task manager so we don't need it.

what is special about winblows' shutdown/restart ? nothing, the only thing that matters is to make sure that cached hard disk data gets written to disk and not get lost, that is easily accomplished with Sysinternals's Sync, it's on their site, you can find it.

you have no problem to shutdown/restart with your buttons as long as you run Sync first, so all you have to do is run Sync and press the shutdown/restart buttons.

im afraid that the only way to support ntfs, is to get writing support for ntfs under DOS.

This post has been edited by monohouse: 12 June 2006 - 09:37 AM

[shix]

@monohouse

thanks for the info.

i admire your ideas about getting rid of the crap from windows.

[enderandrew]

NTFS has much better performance than FAT and FAT32.

And Linux can in fact write to NTFS. The patch is in the mainline kernel, you just have to enable it. It is quite stable.

I'd still prefer something like EXT3 or Reiser4, but Windows is not about to run on those anytime soon.

[JuiCe_pl]

Hi! Very interesting! What is the effect of runing the del edition on Windows 2003?

[Camarade_Tux]

enderandrew, on Jun 12 2006, 10:43 PM, said:

NTFS has much better performance than FAT and FAT32.

Depends on what you do. And NTFS has this security thing I love so much (take ownership of folders that do not belong toyou )

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And Linux can in fact write to NTFS. The patch is in the mainline kernel, you just have to enable it. It is quite stable.

Patchs and 3-party app. Btw "write" is disabled by default when mounting an NTFS volume.

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I'd still prefer something like EXT3 or Reiser4, but Windows is not about to run on those anytime soon.

I think we could make it run on that.
The hardest part is to make it understand ext, Reiser, XFS, ZFS permission system.

[EchoNoise]

Trust me... I've been down the path of creating a EXT3 windows loader... absolutely no go... even harder with XFS... but I didn't try Reiser, but I can't see that happening either!

I'm preeeeeetty sure that Windows will never run on a journalised system.

[Camarade_Tux]

And afaik ntfs is journalized.
But of course, this would be a bit unreal.

[EchoNoise]

NTFS is journalised?

Wow.. I didn't know that!

Thanks

[monohouse]

NTFS writing is just as suck on linux as ext3 writing on winblows.

I don't know winblows 2003, I've seen it once, made me throw up.
you're on your own if you're going to test deleted edition on 2003, I think you're gonna have to add at least as much deletion lines into the batch files as there are now bill it seems increases his crap 2x more every new version, but recently, he increased the size to 10x (from 400 mb (2003) to 4000 mb (vista)), he's getting better, anytime we add 400 lines of "del" and "deltree" codes into Deleted Edition™, bill adds 4000 new files, not something I can keep up with, same thing with all these "service packs", every version adds at least 100 more new files, the directx "drivers" add by themselves over 100 files (not needed files).

at least, with Deleted Edition™ you can have less than 300 files in the windows directory (recursively).
I hope to be able to achieve as low as 100 total winblows files.

[JuiCe_pl]

Well I will give it a try - since I have some free time now...

I will share my experiences with U, when I do it, ASAP

[monohouse]

ok duude, meanwhile I will work on the "contact" page.

[I_Broke_My_MHZ]

I love how monohouse just took it upon himself to hijack this thread.

[shix]

agreed.

[monohouse]

I didn't hijack anything the duude has already been provided with the solution to his problem, now it's just the continuation which is btw one possible solution to removing IE core

and I believe you should be able to find ext2fs support for winblows here : ext2 IFS
as well as here : ext2fsd
and last and most certainly least ($$$) : Paragon ext2fs Anywhere
hey nuhi duude congrats on teh new version.

This post has been edited by monohouse: 29 June 2006 - 12:38 PM