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i'm not real good with this stuff but i
have a drivers & utility disk.take a look at this file and see if what u need is in here.

Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 12 November 2006 - 10:17 AM.

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i'm not real good with this stuff but i
have a drivers & utility disk.take a look at this file and see if what u need is in here.


Ack! Could give it a try... ProblemChyld, could you in addition please post a link to - or mail - the accompanying three usb*sys files, in case they are different from their Win 2k counterparts ?

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VIA USB 2.0 driver is available here: http://www.viaarena....70&SubCatID=122

but I don't think it will work with other chipset than VIA. You can try it of course.

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Edited by PROBLEMCHYLD, 17 March 2006 - 01:10 PM.

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these are the ones for 98 with sis and the disk has 2000/xp on it if needed


Your file, WIN98.7Z , seems to contain only a WIN2K foder. Did you not forget to include the 98/ME part, or am I missing something ?

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these are the ones for 98 with sis and the disk has 2000/xp on it if needed


Your file, WIN98.7Z , seems to contain only a WIN2K foder. Did you not forget to include the 98/ME part, or am I missing something ?


i"m sorry
added 98/me/2000
now u have a option of choosin
I assume you use the win2000 driver but not sure
becuz i'm usin xp right now

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added 98/me/2000


Unfortunately if not unexpectedly it's always the same SiS scam : disable USB 2.0 in Win 98/SE/ME.
Was worth trying anyway...

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see USBMan's Sis USB page on how to setup USB 1.x and USB 2.0 with SIS USB chipsets:

http://www.usbman.co.....nd Tricks.htm

Sis 7001 USB chipsets have problems working properly under XP. there's a patch that fix that problem.

Edited by erpdude8, 05 June 2006 - 09:14 AM.


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see USBMan's Sis USB page on how to setup USB 1.x and USB 2.0 with SIS USB chipsets:


Erpdude8, unfortunately that page has inaccurate and misleading information, namely where it states :

USB 2.0 Drivers for Win 98Se and Me are found on the SiS Motherboard Installation CD


Not so - as I stated (and others have confirmed) in this thread, SiS only provides hiding of the USB 2.0 capability from Windows for mostly cosmetic reasons.

I have since abandoned all hope of making the SiS 741 based USB 2.0 work in Windows 98 SE (or ME). If I be proved wrong so much the better... but don't hold your breath ;=)

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Edited by Ninho, 08 June 2006 - 09:21 AM.


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you might want to replace your Sis motherboard or sis 2.0 usb card with a different board or usb 2.0 card with ALi or VIA chipsets. At least VIA post their USB 2.0 drivers online, ditto for Adaptec.

2. Orangeware trial driver for developpers (cf. Petr) :

The link provided to the expiring trial USB 2 driver by OrangeWare is password protected. Could we be lucky enough to find a non-protected download, for evaluation (cough) ?


Orangeware USB 2.0 drivers are not available from the Orangeware web site (at least not directly).

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you might want to replace your Sis motherboard or sis 2.0 usb card with a different board or usb 2.0 card with ALi or VIA chipsets.


I strongly recommend against ALi/Uli USB 2.0 boards. I have tested two of them (both with M5273-A1 chip) and both failed both with Orangeware driver and with ALi/Uli driver. The first was no-name China brand, the second was Kouwell brand.

Both boards immediately after connecting the USB 2.0 device (I have tried 2 GB Kingston DataTraveler Elite, 512 MB Phison Pen Drive and Western Digital Passport USB drive) switched from USB 2.0 to USB 1.1 protocol. Then I have tried these boadrds under Windows XP, Ali/ULi driver caused the same behavior, with default Microsoft EHCI driver one board worked fine but the second switced again to 1.1 protocol. I tried this second board under Windows Vista Beta 2, it did not switch to 1.1 protocol, but had too many errors and failed finally.

At present I have the best experience with VIA based add-on boards, these ones with old VT6202 chip were supported by both Orangeware and VIA driver, new ones with VT6212 chip are supported by the VIA driver only. I have achieved twice higher transfer speed with boards with VT6212 chip than with boards with VT6202 chip so VT6212 is definitely better solution.

Another possibility are board with NEC chip, now it is uPD720101, older boards had uPD720100A. The speed of board with uPD720101 chip is somewhere between VT6202 and VT6212.

The price of these boards may range somewhere between $5 and $10 so if there is free PCI slot it should be no problem to use it.

There are rumors that some add-on boards work in PCI 2.2 slots only, I cannot confirm this.

Maybe other people have other experiences, maybe there are devices better compatible with some boards, I don't know.

The latest USB drivers are here:
Ali/Uli Integrated driver package v2.20, contains USB 2.0 controller driver ver. 1.76 for Win98SE/WinME/Win2K/2003/WinXP.
DriverVer = 09/07/2005,5.1.2600.0176
ftp://www.uli.com.tw/driver/Integrated220.rar

Orangeware driver ver. 2.4.2, supports all boards with VIA VT6202, Ali/Uli, uPD720100A/720101, some ATI, some Nvidia, specific boards with SiS and Intel ICH4 southbridge.
DriverVer=3/1/2006,2.04.0002.0 (the latest)
http://home.tiscali....usb2/U2v242.exe
DriverVer=1/15/2005,2.04.0000.0 (the latest from Kouwell)
http://www.kouwell.c...r/USB/2580N.zip

VIA USB 2.0 driver
DriverVer=09/26/2003,4.90.3000.10
http://www.viaarena...._V270p1-L-M.zip
Here are modified INF files to show exact chip used.
http://home.tiscali....sb2/viausb2.zip

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Here's a list of Intel boards that support USB 2.0:
http://www.intel.com...b/cs-009024.htm

There's a file called USB20.EXE that can provide USB 2.0 support for Win98se/ME for certain Intel boards.

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Here's a list of Intel boards that support USB 2.0:
http://www.intel.com...b/cs-009024.htm

There's a file called USB20.EXE that can provide USB 2.0 support for Win98se/ME for certain Intel boards.


You mean probably OrangeWare USB 2.0 driver for ICH4 and ICH5 southbridges.

Intel offers versions:
1.0.0.0 - ICH4 support
http://downloadmirro...0/eng/USB20.exe
1.0.3.0 - ICH4 support
http://downloadmirro...3/eng/setup.exe
1.1.0.2 - ICH4 and ICH5 support
http://downloadmirro...g/usb2098me.exe

The latest release (1.1.0.2) can be downloaded also (for example) here: ftp://ftp.abitshop.com/pub/driver2/intel_usb/1102.exe

ICH4 and ICH5 southbridges are used in the following Intel motherboards: D845, D850, D865, D875. D915 and D925 motherboards use ICH6 southbridge and D955 and D975 motherboards use ICH7 southbridge.

The Orangeware driver itself supports all EHCI compatible USB2 controllers (i.e. all I know) but just controllers produced by manufacturers that pay fees are enabled. Intel does not support Windows 98 on chipsets with ICH6 and ICH7 southbridges and therefore it is blocked in the driver.

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This is what might be needed.I was able to install 3 new device that was usb 2.0 without
any problems.
http://rapidshare.co..._v2.06.exe.html

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This is what might be needed.I was able to install 3 new device that was usb 2.0 without
any problems.
http://rapidshare.co..._v2.06.exe.html


This is just old version (DriverVer=08/01/2002,2.00.0006.0) of the Orangeware driver mentioned above.

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Can it be update to the latest drivers

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Can it be update to the latest drivers


What do you mean by this? The file on Rapidshare is:
DriverVer=08/01/2002,2.00.0006.0

File in the post above is
DriverVer=3/1/2006,2.04.0002.0

This Orangeware driver is referenced here: http://www.orangewar...s/faq_usb2.html
and this version can be downloaded by OEMs from http://www.orangeware.com/oemusb2.html

This driver: http://www.orangeware.com/oemusb2.html works with any USB 2.0 controller but is timebombed and available to OEMs only anyway.

Apparently there is no possibility how to obtain this driver. It is bad to know that there is driver that works with SiS motherboards, all new Intel chipsets etc. - but there is no way how to get it. Every $5 USB PCI card has license for USB driver - but motherboards not.

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Have you tried the USBview utility to check if the device is connected as 1.1 or 2.0 device?


here are other versions of the USBView tool I found at these sites:

USBView.exe version 5.1.2600.1106 (july 2004 version)
http://www.k0lee.com...ewJUL2004-3.exe

USBView.exe version 4.10.1721:
ftp://ftp.uni-linz.ac.at/Driver/Drucker/H...ccc/usbview.exe

also see Petr's latest post in this thread on getting version 5.1.2600.2180 of the Usbview tool:
http://www.msfn.org/...p...st&p=581843

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Can the USB 2.0 files from WinXP work on Win98SE
with a lil tweaking and patching?

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Can the USB 2.0 files from WinXP work on Win98SE
with a lil tweaking and patching?


Better from Windows 2000 SP4 but nobody succeeded yet.

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