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#1 Spock

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 09:18 AM

I hope someone can help me out because after a week of research I still haven't got definitive answers. To narrow it down a bit I'm looking at Socket 754 mobos/Sempron processor, and would use ATA (not SATA) hard disk.

Nvidia NForce 4 chipset mobos: according to at least two manufacturers (MSI and Asus) no win98/SE drivers are provided. IIRC the MSI site says not supported. So, no go for these, apparently.

NVidia NForce 3 chipset mobos: This seems more promising and i'm currently looking at a Netconn mobo, NF3250K8AA.

Via chipset mobos: Think I'll probably avoid.

Any help appreciated. I'd hate to build a system only to find that win98SE would not work properly.

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 04:32 PM

*NForce 4 I've yet to see any drivers supplied for.
*NForce 3 I can confirm work as I'm using one right now (board and specs in sig).
Intel Chipsets works under win98 as well as my laptop used the chipset (toshiba A15-S157).

ViA as far as I know still support 98 but you might have to do extra research.

*=Many NForce hardware are installed using standard win98 drivers.

Perhaps check the board manufacturers site and see what drivers for what Operating Systems they supply. If possible, get a list of the hardware + branding of each component on the board and check the manufacturer of that hardware as well for drivers.

Wish you luck building a new system for win98 ^^

I checked the specs of the FOXCONN 'NF3250K8AA' board you mentioned. You should do very well with it as a choice. Foxconn provides a full range of drivers for windows98 and above. Just make sure the CPU you get supports the X86 instruction set if you consider a 64-bit CPU. All AMD cpu's seem to support it while [I haven't looked lately] Intel 64-bit CPU's might not have support for the x86 instruction set.

As a note: Unless you have powered speakers, the onboard surround will be a big dissappointment. Very weak pre-amps on built-in sound solutions nowadays. I too have a REALTEK ac'97 surround built in. Now got it turned off in BIOS because it didn't meet my satisfaction.

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 09:43 PM

Chozo4, on Mar 8 2006, 04:32 PM, said:

Just make sure the CPU you get supports the X86 instruction set if you consider a 64-bit CPU. All AMD cpu's seem to support it while [I haven't looked lately] Intel 64-bit CPU's might not have support for the x86 instruction set.

All CPUs are backwards compatible; the Intel 64-bit CPUs (Celeron and Pentium Ds) can run 16,32,and 64-bit code.

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 09:49 PM

Spock, on Mar 8 2006, 10:18 AM, said:

Via actually is one of the better ones for Windows 98.

nForce is actually more likely to have compatibility problems with Windows 98.

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 03:58 PM

LLXX, on Mar 8 2006, 11:43 PM, said:

Chozo4, on Mar 8 2006, 04:32 PM, said:

All CPUs are backwards compatible; the Intel 64-bit CPUs (Celeron and Pentium Ds) can run 16,32,and 64-bit code.

Thank you for correcting me there LLXX. As said, i haven't looked lately but was still going by the ole myth from the past of intel 64's only supporting the 64-bit instruction set.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 05:26 AM

Chozo4, on Mar 8 2006, 04:32 PM, said:

Thanks. Very helpful. Agree with you on the sound. Had already decided to get a PCI sound card or transplant current one.

I've taken the plunge and ordered the above mobo. Comes at quite a premium here in the UK (only one supplier, all others sold out). Foxconn actually gave a reply to a querry I made concerning whether they are/are not supporting this mobo BIOS. Yes, they are. So that's good news.

Now to find a compatible AGP8 graphics card. I'll stick with Nvidia to boost chances that it'll actually boot

I'd like a GeForce6200 but haven't found any Nvidia drivers that definitely support it. Any ideas?

Chozo4, on Mar 8 2006, 04:32 PM, said:

I'd like a GeForce6200 but haven't found any Nvidia drivers that definitely support it. Any ideas?

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 07:47 AM

stock 6800 128MB

and there should be driver support (could you perhaps explain that a little more),
most of the nVidia drivers i have above 61.34 support 6800s anyway (if you went that route)

afaik unlike the 6200 (thats the 6600s little sister card right ?) and 6600 (PCI-E),
the 6800 was designed for AGP so doesn't need a 'bridge chip' (on its AGP version)

this means (basically) there's less to go wrong

this extra instalation of extra chip/heat arrangements on cards with bridge chips are easily exacerbated by having various heat sink/fan arrangements fitted by different manufacturers.

anyway the basic idea is AGP native cards are probably best in AGP setups
6800 (and its high end versions) are (afaik) the last nVidia AGP native card
good prices (currently), good cards (imo)

hth
miko.

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 07:55 AM

Spock, on Mar 10 2006, 12:26 PM, said:

Now to find a compatible AGP8 graphics card. I'll stick with Nvidia to boost chances that it'll actually boot

I'd like a GeForce6200 but haven't found any Nvidia drivers that definitely support it. Any ideas?

Nvidia Windows 98 driver (81.98) officially supports the following GeForce6 AGP cards:

NVIDIA GeForce 6200
NVIDIA GeForce 6600
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE
NVIDIA GeForce 6800
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 LE
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 XE
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 XT
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 08:28 AM

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 12:54 PM

Petr, on Mar 10 2006, 07:55 AM, said:

Spock, on Mar 10 2006, 12:26 PM, said:

Now to find a compatible AGP8 graphics card. I'll stick with Nvidia to boost chances that it'll actually boot

I'd like a GeForce6200 but haven't found any Nvidia drivers that definitely support it. Any ideas?

Well, that's what they imply in one place. **However** if one downloads aforesaid 81.98 as I optimistically did this morning (UK time), an unpack it, the Readme says (in part):

Operating systems supported
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Microsoft Windows 98
Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me)

Adapters supported
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NVIDIA RIVA TNT
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Pro
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Ultra
NVIDIA Vanta
NVIDIA Vanta LT
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64 Pro
NVIDIA Aladdin TNT2
NVIDIA GeForce 256
NVIDIA GeForce DDR
NVIDIA Quadro
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 200
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 400
NVIDIA Quadro2 MXR
NVIDIA Quadro2 EX
NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS
NVIDIA GeForce2 Pro
NVIDIA GeForce2 Ti
NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra
NVIDIA GeForce2 Integrated GPU
NVIDIA Quadro2 Pro
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440-SE
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 460
NVIDIA Quadro NVS
NVIDIA Quadro4 500 XGL
NVIDIA Quadro4 550 XGL
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX Integrated GPU
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 420 with AGP8X
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440 with AGP8X
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 440SE with AGP8X
NVIDIA Quadro4 NVS with AGP8X
NVIDIA Quadro4 380 XGL
NVIDIA Quadro4 580 XGL
NVIDIA GeForce3
NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 200
NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti 500
NVIDIA Quadro DCC
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE
NVIDIA Quadro4 700 XGL
NVIDIA Quadro4 750 XGL
NVIDIA Quadro4 900 XGL
NVIDIA Quadro4 780 XGL
NVIDIA Quadro4 980 XGL
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra
NVIDIA Quadro FX 1000
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2000

Not a mention of the 6200. I'm not sure what to conclude. Any further ideas? While on this topic, I guess it's always better to download the manufacturer's driver rather than Nvidia; e.g. I'd download a graphics driver from Gainward for their Nvidia based cards.