[turbines]

Can anyone tell me why nLite version 1.0 beta 6 makes much smaller installations than RC6, RC7 or RC8 when essentially all the same components are selected for removal. There seems to be several hundred MB difference after installation. The installation I made using the beta version is less that 900 MB after installation and the installations made with subsequent version are > 1.7 GB. All were made from the same copy of XPHE and incude all the SP2 updates. The installation made from the beta version seems to be very stable and I have not experienced any problems with it. I am just curious what the differences are.

[T D]

Are you sure you removed the same stuff? If you used a last_session.ini made in Rc7/8 and used it on Rc6, there will be some stuff in the ini to be removed that isn't available in Rc6.

[turbines]

Yes I am quite sure the same items were removed

[ZcWorld]

did you have enabled / disable recompressing of cabs files?

[Kiki Burgh]

900mb-1.7gb is a very large source ...
to begin with nLite is to customize ... slim down ... the OS

This post has been edited by Kiki Burgh: 27 June 2006 - 05:51 PM

[turbines]

I assume by source file you mean the finished nlite installation disk size. I am talking about the installed Windows folder size after installation. The installation disk is only about 165 MB.

I did not enable CAB recompression

[Camarade_Tux]

.Net Framework and Java ?
Any hotfix backup folder (hidden files, NTFS compressed if available so they display in blue)

[turbines]

Netframe 1.1 was used with 1.0 beta 6 and version 2 with RC6, 7 and 8. Java version is 5.X. No hotfixes were added to any of them. I updated after installation.

This post has been edited by turbines: 28 June 2006 - 06:47 AM

[Camarade_Tux]

These "programs" are more and more space-consuming. It does not explain a 800MB difference but afaik .Net 2 eats more space than .Net 1.


I think you should try inside a VM with beta6 and final, without any software or update. It's hard to guess the impact of softwares.

[Kiki Burgh]

turbines, on Jun 28 2006, 11:38 AM, said:

I assume by source file you mean the finished nlite installation disk size. I am talking about the installed Windows folder size after installation. The installation disk is only about 165 MB.

my bad turbines ... 165 is a very decent source

Camarade_Tux, on Jun 28 2006, 10:15 PM, said:

These "programs" are more and more space-consuming.

i completely agree with Camarade_Tux here ... seeing that the add-ons we use are compressed, once installed (i.e., Java & .Net) eat a lot of space ... verifying from my Add/Remove programs --- hundreds of mbs are allocated for these ...

but the swollen installation still does not compute ...
i'd assume that as far as compression is concerned you did the same with the previous builds ...

[turbines]

Ok things are getting a bit confused for me. None of the installations I refered to include programs, NetFrame or VM Hotfix addons. I am going to reload my basic windows installation from the sources made from the beta 6 and then load the one made from 1.0 Final. Then I will include the ini file for each as will as exact size on disk figures. That may help sort this puzzle out.

[turbines]

Ok it seems I may have found the problem and maybe someone can explain why. The difference is in the virtual memory size. In all cases I move mine to a second physical drive partition. It seems that in some cases that the initial space used by the page files on "C" is not recovered after moving them to another drive even though the setting on the advanced virtual memory settings show "no paging file" on C.

Below are 2 example preset texts. The first one produces a uncompressed windows size of ~ 500 MB after moving the page files to another drive. The second produces a windows size of ~ 1.24 GB with the page files moved to another drive. In fact the second shows the same size regardless as to whether the page files are moved or not. The problem does not seem to be related to any differences between 6 beta and subsequent versions of nLite

The only difference I see is in the Drivers, Networks Settings and Services components.

[Main]
Env = 1.0 Final - 2.0.50727.42.Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2
Target = Windows XP Home Edition Sp2 - build 2180 - English (United States)

[Tasks]
Remove Components
Unattended Setup
Tweaks
Create a Bootable ISO
Patches
Options

[Components]

;# Applications #
Accessibility Options
Briefcase
Calculator
Charmap
ClipBook Viewer
Games
Internet Games
Paint
Pinball
Screensavers
Wordpad

;# Drivers #
Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)
Cameras and Camcorders
Display Adapters
Display Adapters (old)
Ethernet (LAN)
IBM Thinkpad
InfraRed
ISDN
Logitech WingMan
Microsoft SideWinder
Modems
MultiFunctional
Portable Audio
Printers
Scanners
SCSI/RAID
Sony Jog Dial
Sound Controllers
Tape drives
Toshiba DVD decoder card
Wireless Ethernet (WLAN)

;# Hardware Support #
Brother Devices
Gravis Digital GamePort
Multi-port serial adapters
Multi-Processor Support
Smart Cards
Teletext codec
Windows CE USB Host

;# Keyboards #

;# Languages #

;# Multimedia #
Acm Core Codecs
ActiveX for streaming video
AOL ART Image Format Support
Images and Backgrounds
Luna Theme
MIDI audio support
Mouse Cursors
Movie Maker
Music Samples
Speech Support

;# Network #
Communication tools
Connection Manager
FrontPage Extensions
Internet Connection Wizard
Internet Information Services (IIS)
IP Conferencing
MSN Explorer
Netmeeting
NetShell Cmd-Tool
Outlook Express
Peer-to-Peer
Synchronization Manager
Vector Graphics Rendering (VML)
Web Folders
Windows Messenger

;# Operating System Options #
.NET Framework
Administrative Templates
Color Schemes
Document Templates
DR Watson
FAT to NTFS converter
File and Settings Wizard
Help
Input Method Editor
Manual Install and Upgrade
Private Character Editor
Save Dump Utility
Search Assistant
Security Center
Tour
Web View

;# Services #
Alerter
Application Layer Gateway
Beep Driver
Distributed Link Tracking Client
Error Reporting
Fax Services
Imapi
Indexing Service
Messenger
Remote Registry
Removable Storage
Secondary Logon
Service Advertising Protocol
Volume Shadow Copy
WebClient
Windows Time

;# Directories #
DOCS
SUPPORT
VALUEADD

;# Compatibility #
Compat01
Compat02
Compat03
Compat04
Compat06
Compat09

[KeepFiles]
msconfig.exe

[RemoveFiles]
clock.avi

[Options]
CABRecompress
GuestName = ""
AdminName = ""
ProfilesDir = "%SystemDrive%\Documents and Settings"
TargetPath = "WINDOWS"
temp_dir = %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp
SrvpEnabled
isovol = WinLite
isoatt = -allow-multidot -no-iso-translate -relaxed-filenames -allow-leading-dots -N -l -d -D -joliet-long -duplicates-once -no-emul-boot -b boot.bin -hide boot.bin -hide boot.catalog

[Patches]
TcpIp = 10
UsbPoll = 125
DoSFC

[Services]
AppMgmt,4
EventSystem,3
COMSysApp,3
Browser,2
CryptSvc,2
DHCP,2
MSDTC,3
DNSCACHE,2
EventLog,2
FastUserSwitchingCompatibility,3
HTTP,3
HTTPFilter,3
HidServ,4
IpInIp,3
IpNat,3
IpFilterDriver,3
PolicyAgent,2
Ip6Fw,3
NwlnkFlt,3
NwlnkFwd,3
NDProxy,3
NetLogon,3
Netman,3
NetDDE,4
NetDDEdsdm,4
NLA,3
xmlprov,3
NtLmSsp,3
SysmonLog,3
PlugPlay,2
ProtectedStorage,2
RasAuto,3
RasMan,3
RpcLocator,3
RemoteAccess,4
SamSs,2
LanmanServer,2
SENS,2
LMHosts,2
TapiSrv,3
Themes,2
UPS,3
AudioSrv,2
SharedAccess,2
StiSvc,3
winmgmt,2
WmiApSrv,3
LanmanWorkstation,2

[Tweaks]
Explorer-Change Explorer Folder View to: details
Explorer-Show all files and folders
Explorer-Show Drive Letters in front of Drive Names
Explorer-Show extensions of known file-types
Explorer-Show Statusbar in all windows
Explorer-Use small icons in Explorer bar

Speed-Disable Info Tips on Files and Folders
Speed-Disable Optimize harddisk when idle
Speed-Disable Tracking of Broken Shortcut Links
Speed-Disable Warn on low disk space
Speed-Do not cache thumbnails
Speed-Processor scheduling-Programs
Speed-Use Windows classic folders / No Tasks Sidepanel

Start Menu-Add Administrative Tools menu

Taskbar-Disable Balloon Tips
Taskbar-Disable Group similar Taskbar buttons
Taskbar-Disable Hide inactive icons
Taskbar-Disable Language-Bar

Visual Effects-Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing-Disable
Visual Effects-Combo box animation-Disable
Visual Effects-Cursor shadow-Disable
Visual Effects-Fade out selection-Disable
Visual Effects-Gradient captions in windows-Disable
Visual Effects-Menu animation-Disable
Visual Effects-Menu shadows-Disable
Visual Effects-Menu style-Normal
Visual Effects-Show translucent selection rectangle-Disable
Visual Effects-Show window contents while dragging-Disable
Visual Effects-Tooltip animation-Disable
Visual Effects-Use a background image for each folder type-Disable
Visual Effects-Use visual styles on windows and buttons-Disable

Windows Media Player-Accept Privacy Statement
Windows Media Player-Disable all streaming protocols
Windows Media Player-Disable auto-add music to library
Windows Media Player-Disable automatic codec download
Windows Media Player-Disable metadata retrieval
Windows Media Player-Disable MRU
Windows Media Player-Disable silent acqusition
Windows Media Player-Disable starting with Media Guide
Windows Media Player-Do not show anchor in Designmode
Windows Media Player-Enhanced privacy settings
Windows Media Player-No visualization
Windows Media Player-Optimize fullscreen mode behaviour
Windows Media Player-Remove all context menu entries
Windows Media Player-Zoom video to windowsize

[Unattended]
UnattendMode = DefaultHide
DisableOem
ComputerType = Automatic
DisableSRestore
MaximumDataStorePercentOfDisk = 0
RestorePointLife = 0
AutoUDay = 5
AutoUHour = 15
ProgFilesPath = "C:\Program Files"

[NetAdapter1]
connname = ""
macaddress = ""
ipaddress = "192.168.0.1"
subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"
defaultgateway = ""
dnsserver1 = ""
dnsserver2 = ""
winsserver = ""
netbiossetting = "0"
ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"
ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"

[NetAdapter2]
connname = ""
macaddress = ""
ipaddress = "192.168.0.2"
subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"
defaultgateway = ""
dnsserver1 = ""
dnsserver2 = ""
winsserver = ""
netbiossetting = "0"
ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"
ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"

[GuiRunOnce]

[Drivers]

[Hotfixes]

*******************************************************************

[Main]
Env = 1.0 Final - 2.0.50727.42.Microsoft Windows NT 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2
Target = Windows XP Home Edition Sp2 - build 2180 - English (United States)

[Tasks]
Remove Components
Unattended Setup
Tweaks
Create a Bootable ISO
Patches
Options

[Components]

;# Applications #
Accessibility Options
Briefcase
Calculator
Charmap
ClipBook Viewer
Games
Internet Games
Paint
Pinball
Screensavers
Wordpad

;# Drivers #
Asynchronous Transfer Mode (ATM)
Cameras and Camcorders
Display Adapters (old)
Ethernet (LAN)
ISDN
Logitech WingMan
Modems
MultiFunctional
Portable Audio
Printers
Scanners
SCSI/RAID
Sony Jog Dial
Tape drives
Toshiba DVD decoder card
Wireless Ethernet (WLAN)

;# Hardware Support #
Brother Devices
Gravis Digital GamePort
Multi-port serial adapters
Smart Cards
Teletext codec
Windows CE USB Host

;# Keyboards #
All removed

;# Languages #
All removed

;# Multimedia #
Acm Core Codecs
ActiveX for streaming video
AOL ART Image Format Support
Images and Backgrounds
Luna Theme
MIDI audio support
Mouse Cursors
Movie Maker
Music Samples

;# Network #
Communication tools
Connection Manager
FrontPage Extensions
Internet Connection Wizard
Internet Information Services (IIS)
IP Conferencing
MSN Explorer
Netmeeting
NetShell Cmd-Tool
Network Monitor Driver and Tools
NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS Protocol
Peer-to-Peer
Synchronization Manager
Vector Graphics Rendering (VML)
Web Folders
Windows Messenger

;# Operating System Options #
.NET Framework
Administrative Templates
Color Schemes
Document Templates
DR Watson
FAT to NTFS converter
File and Settings Wizard
Help
Input Method Editor
Manual Install and Upgrade
Private Character Editor
Save Dump Utility
Search Assistant
Security Center
Tour
Web View

;# Services #
Alerter
Application Layer Gateway
Beep Driver
Distributed Link Tracking Client
Error Reporting
Fax Services
Imapi
Indexing Service
Messenger
Network DDE
Network Location Awareness (NLA)
Remote Registry
Removable Storage
Secondary Logon
Service Advertising Protocol
Volume Shadow Copy
WebClient
Windows Time

;# Directories #
DOCS
SUPPORT
VALUEADD

;# Compatibility #
Compat01
Compat02
Compat03
Compat04
Compat06
Compat09

[KeepFiles]
msconfig.exe

[RemoveFiles]
clock.avi

[Options]
CABRecompress
GuestName = ""
AdminName = ""
ProfilesDir = "%SystemDrive%\Documents and Settings"
TargetPath = "WINDOWS"
temp_dir = %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Temp
SrvpEnabled
isovol = WinLite
isoatt = -allow-multidot -no-iso-translate -relaxed-filenames -allow-leading-dots -N -l -d -D -joliet-long -duplicates-once -no-emul-boot -b boot.bin -hide boot.bin -hide boot.catalog

[Patches]
TcpIp = 10
UsbPoll = 125
DoSFC

[Services]
AppMgmt,4
EventSystem,3
COMSysApp,3
Browser,2
CryptSvc,2
DHCP,2
MSDTC,3
DNSCACHE,2
EventLog,2
FastUserSwitchingCompatibility,3
HTTP,3
HTTPFilter,3
HidServ,4
IpInIp,3
IpNat,3
IpFilterDriver,3
PolicyAgent,2
Ip6Fw,3
NDProxy,3
NetLogon,3
Netman,3
xmlprov,3
NtLmSsp,3
SysmonLog,3
PlugPlay,2
ProtectedStorage,2
RasAuto,3
RasMan,3
RpcLocator,3
RemoteAccess,4
SamSs,2
LanmanServer,2
SENS,2
LMHosts,2
TapiSrv,3
Themes,2
UPS,3
AudioSrv,2
SharedAccess,2
StiSvc,3
winmgmt,2
WmiApSrv,3
LanmanWorkstation,2

[Tweaks]
Explorer-Change Explorer Folder View to: details
Explorer-Show all files and folders
Explorer-Show Drive Letters in front of Drive Names
Explorer-Show extensions of known file-types
Explorer-Show Statusbar in all windows
Explorer-Use small icons in Explorer bar

Speed-Disable Info Tips on Files and Folders
Speed-Disable Optimize harddisk when idle
Speed-Disable Tracking of Broken Shortcut Links
Speed-Disable Warn on low disk space
Speed-Do not cache thumbnails
Speed-Processor scheduling-Programs
Speed-Use Windows classic folders / No Tasks Sidepanel

Start Menu-Add Administrative Tools menu

Taskbar-Disable Balloon Tips
Taskbar-Disable Group similar Taskbar buttons
Taskbar-Disable Hide inactive icons
Taskbar-Disable Language-Bar

Visual Effects-Animate windows when minimizing and maximizing-Disable
Visual Effects-Combo box animation-Disable
Visual Effects-Cursor shadow-Disable
Visual Effects-Fade out selection-Disable
Visual Effects-Gradient captions in windows-Disable
Visual Effects-Menu animation-Disable
Visual Effects-Menu shadows-Disable
Visual Effects-Menu style-Normal
Visual Effects-Show translucent selection rectangle-Disable
Visual Effects-Show window contents while dragging-Disable
Visual Effects-Tooltip animation-Disable
Visual Effects-Use a background image for each folder type-Disable

Windows Media Player-Accept Privacy Statement
Windows Media Player-Disable all streaming protocols
Windows Media Player-Disable auto-add music to library
Windows Media Player-Disable automatic codec download
Windows Media Player-Disable metadata retrieval
Windows Media Player-Disable MRU
Windows Media Player-Disable silent acqusition
Windows Media Player-Disable starting with Media Guide
Windows Media Player-Do not show anchor in Designmode
Windows Media Player-Enhanced privacy settings
Windows Media Player-No visualization
Windows Media Player-Optimize fullscreen mode behaviour
Windows Media Player-Remove all context menu entries
Windows Media Player-Zoom video to windowsize

[Unattended]
UnattendMode = DefaultHide
DisableOem
ComputerType = Automatic
DisableSRestore
MaximumDataStorePercentOfDisk = 0
RestorePointLife = 0
AutoUDay = 5
AutoUHour = 15
ProgFilesPath = "C:\Program Files"

[NetAdapter1]
connname = ""
macaddress = ""
ipaddress = "192.168.0.1"
subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"
defaultgateway = ""
dnsserver1 = ""
dnsserver2 = ""
winsserver = ""
netbiossetting = "0"
ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"
ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"

[NetAdapter2]
connname = ""
macaddress = ""
ipaddress = "192.168.0.2"
subnetmask = "255.255.255.0"
defaultgateway = ""
dnsserver1 = ""
dnsserver2 = ""
winsserver = ""
netbiossetting = "0"
ipxnetworknumber = "00000000"
ipxnetworkframetype = "0xFF"

[GuiRunOnce]

[Drivers]

[Hotfixes]