[bestofcomputer]

Hi.
You know, when I compare this SP with AutoPatcher, I am frustrated !...

Look : I think there should be a separate release, called the "Full Release", and that would contain more tools, utilities, softs, and updates, to make our Win98SE the best system that we like so much to continue to use !

For example, what I would suggest to include here are :

- acrobat reader 6.04 (I have all the updates with me).
- Croa 1.6 Free (http://www.davidcrowell.com/)
- JStrip 3.3 Free (http://www.davidcrowell.com/)
- DivX 5.2.1 Free (I have the setup with me).
- Flash Player 9.0 Free (I have the setup standalone with me).
- Shockwave Player 10 Free (I have the setup standalone with me).
- Latest version of "HOSTS" Free (http://www.mvps.org/...p2002/hosts.htm)
- Nero InCD Reader Free 4.3.2.0.1 Free (I have the setup with me).
- IrfanView 3.98 Free (http://www.irfanview.com/)
- MS .NET 1.1 + Updates (I have files).
- MS .NET 2.0
- MS IE 6.0SP1 Full Install for Win98SE + Latest Cumulative Security Update for Win98SE (11/07/06 ?).
- MS DAC 2.8 + Update.
- MS Media Player 9.0 + Updates.
- MSN Messenger 7.0 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
- All Free MS Office Viewers (I have all the latest setups).
- MS VB Runtimes 1.0 + 2.0 + 3.0 + 4.0 + 5.0SP2 + 6.0SP6 (I have all files).
- MS Win Installer 2.0
- MS Win Script 5.6 for Win98SE.
- QuikTime 6 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
- Real Player Free Gold 10.5 (I have the setup).
- SpyWareBlaster 3.51 Free (http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/).
- StartUp CPL 2.8 Free (http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml).
- MSJVM 3.8.0.5
- SunJava2RTSE2015007 (www.sun.com).
- WinAmp Full 5.24 (http://www.winamp.com/)
- WinImage 8.0 (http://www.winimage.com/).
- Music Match JukeBox 9.0 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
- WinRar 3.51 (http://www.rarsoft.com/download.htm).
- WinZip 10.0 (www.winzip.com)
- WinZip Self Extractor 2.2 (www.winzip.com)
- WS_FTP 5.0.8 LE Free for Win98SE (I have the setup).
- Yahoo Messenger 7.5 (I have standalone setup).
- Zone Alarm Free for Win98SE 6.1.744.001 (I have latest setup. New version 6.5 does not support Win98 !).
- AVG Free 7.1.394a763 (http://free.grisoft....tpl/v5#avg-free).
- Free Pascal 2.02 (www.freepascal.org).
- MS DirectX 9.0c Full Redistributable Package of June 2006 Edition (I have setup with me).

So ? What do you think ?

OK : maybe, for legal reasons, some of them may not be possible to include to this update...
OK : maybe, for some lacking of time and ressources, some of them may not be possible to include in this update...
OK : maybe, to avoid to increase too much the size of the downloadable update, some of them may not be possible to include to this update...

But, anyway, now we have all broadbands, I would not mind spending one hour dowloading 400 MB of Setup, that would include the maximum of all of these !!!

So, what do you think ?

Look at these tools carefully : they are very great, and they deserve to be included in any decent Win98SE installation, to complete and serve it better and fully, mainly for Internet use, with all the multimedia comfort and security !!!

Thanks.

[shaddam]

Some remarks:
-many commercial tools, for most of them are even better opensource or freeware alternatives...

-you want winzip & winrar? why? RAR can also decode & create zips...
i would suggest the free 7-zip over both commercial programs
http://www.7-zip.org/
-similar with divx...why not use the free (and superior) xvid?
www.xvid.org
-and as video & audio decoder ffdshow ((AC3 support, free & REALLY fast)? http://ffdshow.sourceforge.net/tikiwiki/ti...Getting+ffdshow
-more important seems to me a software cpucooler...like this
http://users.telvia....ta/kcpuc100.zip
-maybe foxit instead of acrobat reader (only 1MBYte size & support for PDF level 1.5 & 1.6) www.foxit.com
-as small antivirus software maybe Fprot, updated & small & freeware for home user
http://www.fprot.org/fr_english.php
-as mediaplayer mediaplayer classic ... Small and free
http://sourceforge.n...?group_id=82303
-a mp3 id3tag shell extension (small and useful)
http://www.mutschler.de/mp3ext/
-instead of bloated winamp 5.x the smaller 2.x http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/mikemth...namp295_std.exe

bestofcomputer, on Jul 6 2006, 01:23 AM, said:

Hi.
You know, when I compare this SP with AutoPatcher, I am frustrated !...

Look : I think there should be a separate release, called the "Full Release", and that would contain more tools, utilities, softs, and updates, to make our Win98SE the best system that we like so much to continue to use !

For example, what I would suggest to include here are :

- acrobat reader 6.04 (I have all the updates with me).
- Croa 1.6 Free (http://www.davidcrowell.com/)
- JStrip 3.3 Free (http://www.davidcrowell.com/)
- DivX 5.2.1 Free (I have the setup with me).
- Flash Player 9.0 Free (I have the setup standalone with me).
- Shockwave Player 10 Free (I have the setup standalone with me).
- Latest version of "HOSTS" Free (http://www.mvps.org/...p2002/hosts.htm)
- Nero InCD Reader Free 4.3.2.0.1 Free (I have the setup with me).
- IrfanView 3.98 Free (http://www.irfanview.com/)
- MS .NET 1.1 + Updates (I have files).
- MS .NET 2.0
- MS IE 6.0SP1 Full Install for Win98SE + Latest Cumulative Security Update for Win98SE (11/07/06 ?).
- MS DAC 2.8 + Update.
- MS Media Player 9.0 + Updates.
- MSN Messenger 7.0 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
- All Free MS Office Viewers (I have all the latest setups).
- MS VB Runtimes 1.0 + 2.0 + 3.0 + 4.0 + 5.0SP2 + 6.0SP6 (I have all files).
- MS Win Installer 2.0
- MS Win Script 5.6 for Win98SE.
- QuikTime 6 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
- Real Player Free Gold 10.5 (I have the setup).
- SpyWareBlaster 3.51 Free (http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/).
- StartUp CPL 2.8 Free (http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml).
- MSJVM 3.8.0.5
- SunJava2RTSE2015007 (www.sun.com).
- WinAmp Full 5.24 (http://www.winamp.com/)
- WinImage 8.0 (http://www.winimage.com/).
- Music Match JukeBox 9.0 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
- WinRar 3.51 (http://www.rarsoft.com/download.htm).
- WinZip 10.0 (www.winzip.com)
- WinZip Self Extractor 2.2 (www.winzip.com)
- WS_FTP 5.0.8 LE Free for Win98SE (I have the setup).
- Yahoo Messenger 7.5 (I have standalone setup).
- Zone Alarm Free for Win98SE 6.1.744.001 (I have latest setup. New version 6.5 does not support Win98 !).
- AVG Free 7.1.394a763 (http://free.grisoft....tpl/v5#avg-free).
- Free Pascal 2.02 (www.freepascal.org).
- MS DirectX 9.0c Full Redistributable Package of June 2006 Edition (I have setup with me).

So ? What do you think ?

OK : maybe, for legal reasons, some of them may not be possible to include to this update...
OK : maybe, for some lacking of time and ressources, some of them may not be possible to include in this update...
OK : maybe, to avoid to increase too much the size of the downloadable update, some of them may not be possible to include to this update...

But, anyway, now we have all broadbands, I would not mind spending one hour dowloading 400 MB of Setup, that would include the maximum of all of these !!!

So, what do you think ?

Look at these tools carefully : they are very great, and they deserve to be included in any decent Win98SE installation, to complete and serve it better and fully, mainly for Internet use, with all the multimedia comfort and security !!!

Thanks.

This post has been edited by shaddam: 06 July 2006 - 02:24 AM

[Petr]

My opinion:

Windows 98 (SE) is mostly used on old computers.

In most cases, it means also users who are using this operating system for years.

In most cases, these users have their favorite application(s) for every task and will see no reason to use different one.

As a result, it means that any BIG pack of 3rd party software will be useless for them because they just use different programs.

There are fans of Winzip. There are fans of WinRAR. There are fans of 7-zip. There are fans of PowerArchiver. There are fans of Adobe Reader (specific version). There are fans of Foxit Reader. If you will make one big pack, it would either contain the installers only - or there will be big problem with file associations.
What player should be added? Media Player Classic? WMP7.1? WMP9? WMP10? RealPlayerOne? What version of PowerDVD? Or BSPlayer? Or what? There are too many personal preferences.

Or was there any other idea behind?

Petr

[LLXX]

- acrobat reader 6.04 (I have all the updates with me).
No. Use a stripped-down 5.x version - less bloated and can view almost all PDFs already.
- DivX 5.2.1 Free (I have the setup with me).
Recommend ffdshow universal Codec
- Flash Player 9.0 Free (I have the setup standalone with me).
Go. The setup can be stripped down considerably to just a single batch file to copy and register an OCX.
- Shockwave Player 10 Free (I have the setup standalone with me).
Go. See above note regarding FLash.
- Latest version of "HOSTS" Free (http://www.mvps.org/...p2002/hosts.htm)
No.
- Nero InCD Reader Free 4.3.2.0.1 Free (I have the setup with me).
No.
- IrfanView 3.98 Free (http://www.irfanview.com/)
No.
- MS .NET 1.1 + Updates (I have files).
No. Never.
- MS .NET 2.0
No. Never.
- MS IE 6.0SP1 Full Install for Win98SE + Latest Cumulative Security Update for Win98SE (11/07/06 ?).
Ok... I guess. But I'd prefer to use IE 5.5
- MS DAC 2.8 + Update.
Don't know what programs use this, so No.
- MS Media Player 9.0 + Updates.
No. Prefer an older version.
- MSN Messenger 7.0 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
No.
- All Free MS Office Viewers (I have all the latest setups).
No.
- MS VB Runtimes 1.0 + 2.0 + 3.0 + 4.0 + 5.0SP2 + 6.0SP6 (I have all files).
No. Never.
- MS Win Installer 2.0
Maybe...
- MS Win Script 5.6 for Win98SE.
No. What use would this be?
- QuikTime 6 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
No. See above recommendation regarding DivX
- Real Player Free Gold 10.5 (I have the setup).
No. See above recommendation regarding DivX
- SpyWareBlaster 3.51 Free (http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/).
No. (URL is already a discouragement)
- StartUp CPL 2.8 Free (http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml).
No. We have something called MSCONFIG and REGEDIT.
- MSJVM 3.8.0.5
No.
- SunJava2RTSE2015007 (www.sun.com).
NO!
- WinAmp Full 5.24 (http://www.winamp.com/)
An older version is recommended, 2.x to be exact
- WinImage 8.0 (http://www.winimage.com/).
No...
- Music Match JukeBox 9.0 for Win98SE (I have latest build).
No...
- WinRar 3.51 (http://www.rarsoft.com/download.htm).
No. See comment below regarding archivers
- WinZip 10.0 (www.winzip.com)
No. See comment below regarding archivers
- WinZip Self Extractor 2.2 (www.winzip.com)
No. Recommend 7-zip : RAR, CAB, ZIP, LZH, and more, for free and Tiny (under 1Mb).
- WS_FTP 5.0.8 LE Free for Win98SE (I have the setup).
Windows comes with FTP.EXE, and also see below recommendation regarding Download Manager.
- Yahoo Messenger 7.5 (I have standalone setup).
No.
- Zone Alarm Free for Win98SE 6.1.744.001 (I have latest setup. New version 6.5 does not support Win98 !).
No... why'd you need firewall on a 9x anyway
- AVG Free 7.1.394a763 (http://free.grisoft....tpl/v5#avg-free).
No.
- Free Pascal 2.02 (www.freepascal.org).
WTF? No. GCC would've been a better candidate...
- MS DirectX 9.0c Full Redistributable Package of June 2006 Edition (I have setup with me).
Go.

Additional recommendation:
- FlashGet v1.50
A very good quality of Download Manager. Avoid the newer versions.

[bestofcomputer]

Hi.
Ok :
2 pbs ?
1/ Preferences of their own pgs by each user : so, make this pack with optionable installs only in it !
2/ Files associations : so make this pack as a distribution of installers only, and each user manually install and configure files associations as he wishes. Or better : provide a script that will install and configure each soft with compliant pre-defined files associations, so no hassle (just the question how to decide all these configs from your side only...).

Oh, by the way I forgot 2 of my favorites :
- Mozilla Firefox 1.5.0.4.
- X-Setup Pro 8.1 (http://www.x-setup.net/).

And no : MSN Messenger 7.5 is not supported in Win98SE (only 7.0)...

Thanks anyway.

Bye.

[nicke85]

Check this page!!! www.jimmsta.com

[jimmsta]

nicke85, on Jul 6 2006, 11:21 AM, said:

Check this page!!! www.jimmsta.com

Funny thing is, is that I might end up trying to use AutoPatcher's interface in the next release. I'm currently collecting files for the release...

[Drugwash]

Some tools I've been using for years (and some I just discovered):

• Ad-Aware (very good)
  
• Spyware Blaster (very good)
  
• SlimBrowser (very good)
  
• CodeStuff Starter - the development version (useful) stupid board script! Replace f*rumer with f o r u m e r.
  
• AnalogX Capture (useful)
  
• FreeRAM XP Pro (useful)
  
• Imagine - available as standalone and Total Commander plug-in (useful)
  
• Lavalys Everest Home Edition - whoever has it; it's not freeware anymore (useful)
  
• NetMeter (useful)
  
• FlashGet (useful)
  
• Notepad++
  
• TCP Optimizer
  
• TZ Connection Booster (just use Google to find it)
  
• VideoLAN Client (VLC)
  
• SysClean package + virus pattern file (useful)
  
• DM2 (useful)
  
• Miranda IM - multiprotocol instant messenger - wait for the 0.5 release (useful)

This post has been edited by Drugwash: 06 July 2006 - 10:18 PM

[jimmsta]

The next version of Windows 9x Power Pack will include a mini version of my utility compilation called BHT. You can currently download the full edition here: http://majorgeeks.co...ad.php?det=4855, but it is out-of-date at the moment (currently working on a patch alongside this project). It will include many of the tools mentioned in this topic, as well as a simple batch script that will update the definitions for Spybot, AdAware, and a few other apps, then install them. (Already exists on BHT, just needs some tweaking).

And, as it seems, someone else has already created an installer-like tool to work with the PowerPack, so you can select what you want, and click Go. I'll try to work with the author of that tool to get it in to the new edition of the PowerPack - this is essentially what the OP is asking for.

[bestofcomputer]

Hi.
First, folks, I appreciate a lot all the posts here after mine !
I agree that from my original list on this post, there may be some of these tools better replaced by some others (but I dont know any of them...), and that some new other good tools have also been mentioned here (but I need time to discover them).
That's why I will stay with my own list for the moment, and will see later what changes to make to it, with your help, of course.
But just think about that : since a few times, and now more and more since support will end in 11/07/06 for Win98SE, any kind of new tools may only work for XP !!!
So, where are you gonna download from all these tools, in their prior versions, when they were still compliant with Win98SE ???
That's why I would like to submit my own package of old installers (only Win98SE latest versions !), because nobody may be able to find them again on Internet !
But I need your help : my package is about 700 MB (I know this is huge, but I have no expertize in reducing Setups), and contains no Setup Scripts !
So :
1/ Where on Internet can I upload 700 MB of a single zip file, to be accessed by anyone from its URL, with a good speed and bandwith, and of course, for FREE ? Maybe one of your own servers ???
2/ Who can help me to build the Setup Scripts, since I dont have at present a Win98SE PC to test anything (but as soon as I can, I will do that also).
3/ How to reduce the size of my package without disminushing the full complete variety/quality of its offering ?
4/ NB : my package does not contain anything illegal, but may require that all the separate licenses of each tool to be re-viewed again carefully, before deciding to keep some tools in the final package, or to remove them from the final package, because my package is actually an Alpha 1.0 (not to be distributed, but may be downloaded for testing and commenting and helping).
Thanks.

[awergh]

do you have a choice of which components you install?


Just to clear up a misconception about msn messenger 7.5 on 98se
http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=72689

[LLXX]

bestofcomputer, on Jul 7 2006, 04:10 AM, said:

1/ Where on Internet can I upload 700 MB of a single zip file, to be accessed by anyone from its URL, with a good speed and bandwith, and of course, for FREE ? Maybe one of your own servers ???

Something that big deserves to be torrented instead of put on a server, unless your connection is decently fast uploading and you can serve it from your own machine.

[bestofcomputer]

Hi.
I have posted the Full Update Package V Alpha 1.0 in 7 splited files of 95 MB each !....
To know the content before : download the List + their MD5 Hash Codes !
To test all these Tools, and help me provide an automatic Setup for all the Tools, with a dialog box that asks to check what to install, and then etc... : download the package, unzip it, goto into the folder, read the docs, and launch Setup.
That's all !...
Next target :
- eliminate Tools not possible to include in a Free package distribution, and place a Link to the download page instead, with automatic downloading, and installing ? Any help from someone ?
- replace some of these Tools, by better and optimized and bug-free and Free Tools : tell me which ones to use, and where to find their latest stable non-beta versions ?
- build an automated General Setup, for all the Tools, with GUI, at once !
Thanks.
I guess also that my Package is similar to other Packages proposed here also, so, I may change my Package to not include what is already in other Packages, and to provide a complementary Package, with Tools that were not included in these others Packages.
So, what do you think ?
Link for downloadings :
http://rapidshare.de/users/4YDL29
It may take you 1 full day to download all !... (Sorry for now).
In the next weeks I will work on a General Automated GUI Setup.
I will collect also myself all the Windows Updates from the first install of Win98SE, until their last Updates on the 11/07/06, and will include them in my Package (some are already there).
Thanks again.

[Petr]

bestofcomputer, on Jul 13 2006, 01:39 PM, said:

Link for downloadings :
http://rapidshare.de/users/4YDL29
It may take you 1 full day to download all !... (Sorry for now).

Yes, nice to wait another 70 minutes for each part of the zip archive...

For anybody who wants to test this and with no paid access to Rapidshare I have put these files on our web server temporarily - the uplink speed is 4 Mbit/s only but better this than nothing I believe.

Here is the link: http://www.ryston.com/tmp/

I will be deleted in case of excessive traffic.

BTW, I was told that Universal Share Downloader works very well for unattended downloading from Rapidshare (and other shares) but I have not tested it.

Petr.

[eidenk]

Petr, on Jul 13 2006, 01:27 PM, said:

BTW, I was told that Universal Share Downloader works very well for unattended downloading from Rapidshare (and other shares) but I have not tested it.

I have tried it only for Rapidshare but have never been able to succeed dowloading anything with it. It just waits again and again. Certainly I am doing something wrong.

Just took 2 x 1,014 bytes from your bandwidth for the filelist that I downloaded twice by mistake BTW.

[MDGx]

bestofcomputer, on Jul 6 2006, 03:19 AM, said:

- X-Setup Pro 8.1 (http://www.x-setup.net/).

X-Setup 8.1 is time limit nag shareware.
But older 6.6 is freeware:
http://www.mdgx.com/xset.htm
http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#SYS

HTH

FYI:
I am biased because I was on the original X-Setup [freeware] development team.

[bestofcomputer]

Yes it is time limited.
But the Tweaks you do with it remains after time limit, even after un-installing !
But you may not be able to reverse what you have done...
Thanks for 6.6 anyway !

[Drugwash]

Guys, those of you making super/extra/mega/power packs, why don't you gather in some chat room or something and agree on who/what/when/why puts in his pack? It'd much more elegant than having the same applications throughout all packages or having useless/buggy/crappy ones in any of them. For applications that would be good and usable enough but are either shareware, adware or too big to include into the package, just make a list of links that point to the apps download pages, together with some (brief) descriptions of each application, for those who might not know them already.

[bestofcomputer]

Hi guys.
Well I think now I have realized all your wishes :
I have listened to all you guys, and I have done the following to my own new pack :
- correct bugs.
- add more docs.
- add more Tools, and in particular, alternative and free Tools, as you wished.
- added latest July 2006 MS Win Updates for Win98 + more others.
- separated my too big pack into 4 categories :
- MS Win Updates only.
- MS Free others Tools.
- 3rd party Free Tools.
- 3rd party Trials Tools.
- I have torrented all the 4 packs, but you must test it now, coz I dont know if it works (my PC is slow, and my connection is only ADSL 256 kbps, and it ON 10 hrs/day from INDIA).
Here are the names of the files torrented from my PC :

Win98UltimatePackFullVAlpha20-list.zip
Win98UltimatePackMSWinUpdatesVAlpha20-list.zip
Win98UltimatePackMSFreesVAlpha20-list.zip
Win98UltimatePackXTraFreesVAlpha20-list.zip
Win98UltimatePackXTraToolsVAlpha20-list.zip
Win98UltimatePackMSWinUpdatesVAlpha20.zip
Win98UltimatePackMSFreesVAlpha20.zip
Win98UltimatePackXTraFreesVAlpha20.zip
Win98UltimatePackXTraToolsVAlpha20.zip
MD5SumCodes.zip
unzip32.exe
winzip100.exe

You can download the Lists first to have a look, and then you can go for the Zip Pack of your choice.

NB : to not be confused by other packs here, I have re-named my Pack as :
"Win 98 Ultimate Pack" (coz it is over-loaded of all the main stuff a decent PC98 may need from scratch !).

And it is a Version Alpha 2.0.

Still no setup script inside : I need your help, because I may not provide one before months...

Thanks again.

[bestofcomputer]

Hi again.
Well I 'm not really sure about my torrented files :
tell me if you see them and if you can get them and at what speed ?
I really need some help to host again my new 4 packs of my version V Alpha 2.0 (older files are obsoletes now).
So, for now, I post again on rapidshare at least the List of all the packages, but not yet the splited packages again, at :

http://rapidshare.de/users/4YDL29

Thanks.

Bye.