[soporific]

Molecule, on Jan 16 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

I was wondering, do I (a) install 98se, then run AP.Dec2007full (to update 98se), then run AP.Dec2008update (to update 98se), or do I ( run the install 98se, run AP update (to update APfull itself), then run AP full (to update 98se)?

I'm going to try installing 98 on a intel chipset core2duo with 2g and a 500g ide-sata. I'll probably partition the hdd with 4 fat extended parts at 120g and 2 10g primaries, one hidden.

Molecule, hi there! lol, your post was funny, i know where you're coming from with the new features coming out of left field when you're so used to a single user machine. If only Windows XP had a single user mode.

2 things:

1) AP.Dec2008update only updates AP.Dec2007full to AP.Dec2008full, so the correct order is to install the OS, install AP.Dec2007full and the update for it, then run AP.Dec2008full to update your machine.

2) you'll most likely find you can't install Windows 98 on newer motherboards due to the way the memory works with newer technology. Even if you find one you can install it on, Win98 can only use one of the CPUs. Also, you can only use 1 GB of RAM -- if you have 2 GB installed, you will have to configure Windows 98 to only use 1 GB and you'll need to have only 1 GB installed when installing the OS.

hope this helps,
Sop.

[thydreamwalker]

@Soporific:Hey, i tried(x,xxx,xxx,xxx-times to install Dec2007Final after 98SE CdRom ;but there always needs to be some "Older Appl's and Updates(which are in Dec2007 version,but install from the Oct2007 version-Better?)". Be sure all your MoBo's Drivers(Audio,Vga,Ethernet...,etc.) are installed first,before any "Updates!".And it's always a lot "Quicker" to set TweakUI 1.33 into Auto-login Mode,if you login on your computer=45minute install

[Drugwash]

Certain drivers (such as video or sound) require a newer DirectX/IE version in order to install, so it's best to only install chipset (and maybe NIC) drivers first, update DirectX/IE/DCOM and whatever else may be needed and only then install video/sound drivers.

There may be other drivers too requiring updated components, so unfortunately there's no fixed frame as to the install order. The best solution I can envision - provided the user already knows about such requirements - would be to allow custom (user-defined) install order of certain components.

Since the batch file that basicall does all the AP job seems to be quite fussy about free memory (too many variables or whatever), I've been thinking of a fairly complex AutoHotkey script that could replace it. Unfortunately, I'm caught up with important family issues now and can't pursue the idea but hopefully we could make an attempt sometime soon.

[dlsayremn]

This may have been asked before but could find nothing by searching. Wolud the Autopatcher work on a Mellineum Edition install? I have to reinstall my ME and Autopatcher (used April 2008) did such a good job on my wife's 98SE, i would really like to use it.

DLSayremn, a grateful user of AutoPatcher.

[RetroOS]

dlsayremn, on Jan 17 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

This may have been asked before but could find nothing by searching. Wolud the Autopatcher work on a Mellineum Edition install? I have to reinstall my ME and Autopatcher (used April 2008) did such a good job on my wife's 98SE, i would really like to use it.

DLSayremn, a grateful user of AutoPatcher.

Sorry, Auto-Patcher For Windows 98SE will not work on any version other than 98SE.
Most of the updates are very specific to 98SE...
But hey, you have to ask right? (The old saying: "If you don't ask, you don't get". But sometimes you don't get even if you do ask!)
Now there's a project: Auto-Patcher for Windows Me!

[dlsayremn]

RetrOS, thnaks for reply.

DLSayre

[Dave-H]

I have just tried using the December 2008 update version of AP, and I'm afraid that I'm running into exactly the same problem that I had a year ago with the December 2007 full version.
It just won't run!

I tried running the update version and it told me that it was "missing a file" that was necessary for it to work.
(Unfortunately it neglected to mention exactly what file it was missing!)

I realised that it actually had to have the full version also installed.
I had used the full version when it came out, but hadn't left it installed on the system to save disk space.

I reinstalled the full version, and then installed the update version.
All fine, but when I tried to run START_ME.bat, I got exactly the same result as when I first tried the full version a year ago. The DOS window just opens and immediately closes again, without any error messages.

I solved this a year ago by editing down my autoexec.bat file, and once I'd got it to work I saved the revised file for future use. Unfortunately, if I try to run the upgrade version with the revised autoexec.bat that worked fine with the full version a year ago, it still doesn't work!

Exactly the same result as with the normal autoexec.bat.
It just runs and immediately closes again.

The DOS "mem" command in a DOS prompt window with Windows running tells me that the "largest executable program size" is 572k, which doesn't seem unreasonable.

Anyone any ideas?
Thanks, Dave.


<EDIT Jan 23rd>

Well, I finally sorted it after a lot of messing around.
It would only run if I completely disabled my autoexec.bat and config.sys files.
I'm sure that didn't work last time!

This post has been edited by Dave-H: 23 January 2009 - 07:50 AM

[krimmy]

Hi there, I'm new. I recently installed Windows 98SE on one of my older systems and I decided to tryout the auto-patcher. So I installed the AutoPatcher98.Dec.07.Final.(Zip.version) first and installed just about everything minus some optional componenets. I then ran into a similar problem as the person who posted above me. I ran the AutoPatcher98.Dec08_UPGRADE and it ran through it's installer program and put itself into my start menu but when it actually tried to installed the upgrade it does the following;

Loading Auto-Patcher for Windows 98se...




Auto-Patcher for Windows 98 SE (english)

Hi there. The program can't continue because I can't find a file that
is necessary for everything to work. If you have downloaded a small
RAR file without downloading the main program release (over 200 mb)
then you need to get the main program first. Visit the homepage at:

http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=80800

and the download location will be there.

If you think this is a program error, then please visit the forum
and post about your situation. Sorry to get your hopes up!

Press any key to continue...


Not sure what to do at this point. Any help is apprieciated.

[RetroOS]

Hi krimmy! Welcome to MSFN

It looks like you de-installed the Dec 2007 install files before installing the Dec 2008 installer.
You need to leave the Dec 2007 installer installed, since the Dec 2008 upgrade changes the Dec 2007 installer files to create the full Dec 2008 installer...
Think of Dec 2008 upgrade as an incremental update to the Dec 2007 install files.

[krimmy]

Ok I see what I did, I didn't install the AutoPatcher98.Dec.07.Final.exe I downloaded the zip version, extracted it and just ran the startme.bat file. I just downloaded the executable version a bit ago, installed it, then installed the 2008 upgrade and it worked fine.

Thanks a bunch, it looks great.

[Dave-H]

Just a heads up about a possible problem with the version of the Adobe Shockwave player in the latest Auto-Patcher.
I had been using version 10.2.xxx for some time, which certainly works fine with Windows 98 and I think is the last version to be officially 98 compatible. AP contains a version of 10.3.xxx which is supposed to work with Windows 98 OK.

In my experience, although it installs OK and appears to work, it still has some issues.
What was happening on my system was that it would run OK in Internet Explorer and would display the content OK, but on navigating away from the page, or shutting IE, the browser would immediately crash badly, usually resulting in me having to reboot.

Try as I might I couldn't resolve this, so I've gone back to version 10.2. and all is fine again.
This may not happen on every system of course, but I thought it worth mentioning just in case it happens to anyone else. If you have an installer file for shockwave 10.2 don't trash it just yet!

[submix8c]

Just dropped by to say...

Still here

[RetroOS]

RetroOS, on Jan 17 2009, 07:40 PM, said:

dlsayremn, on Jan 17 2009, 07:24 PM, said:

This may have been asked before but could find nothing by searching. Wolud the Autopatcher work on a Mellineum Edition install? I have to reinstall my ME and Autopatcher (used April 2008) did such a good job on my wife's 98SE, i would really like to use it.

DLSayremn, a grateful user of AutoPatcher.

Sorry, Auto-Patcher For Windows 98SE will not work on any version other than 98SE.
Most of the updates are very specific to 98SE...
But hey, you have to ask right? (The old saying: "If you don't ask, you don't get". But sometimes you don't get even if you do ask!)
Now there's a project: Auto-Patcher for Windows Me!

For those wanting something for Windows Me, there is the (beta) Service Pack for Windows ME: http://www.msfn.org/...showtopic=61407

[Urge]

Download links for December 2007 Final to December 2008 UPGRADE and December 2007 Final FULL are dead. The web site http://soporific.dsleague.com is not responding, I am hoping that this is just a temp situation. Anyone have any info? Soporific???

Urge

[Drugwash]

Works for me at the time of posting (2:43 PM EST).

[Urge]

It's working for me now also, must have been a temporary glitch.

Urge

[Dave-H]

Can anyone confirm whether this project is still alive?
I am concerned that this thread has now been removed from the "sticky" topics on the board........

[North of Watford]

Urge, on Mar 26 2009, 08:23 PM, said:

It's working for me now also, must have been a temporary glitch.

Urge

Something is still wrong, as going to the site one is shown the directory and file list, not the normal web pages ... ...

Dave-H, on Mar-26 2009, 09:12 PM, said:

Can anyone confirm whether this project is still alive?

... but looking at the file dates shows that Soporific has been spending a lot of time on his Win XP projects of late. Maybe he has lost interest in Win98?

[soporific]

Regarding AutoPatcher for Win98:

* i originally made it to save me heaps of time patching win98 machines
* i stopped using win98 myself a few years ago but still kept up with keeping AutoPatcher updated because i was still seeing machines that were running Win98 that i was being asked to patch.
* recently, i have been using it much much less and so it doesn't need updating nearly as much.
* i won't be releasing updates any sooner than once a year, unless there is a very good reason to.
* expect the next update in December this year.

i hope that clears stuff up. I'm not too fussed about the loss of sticky status.

[Dave-H]

Thanks for the update soporific.

Glad the project isn't dead.
A new version once a year, even if it's only a cumulative update to a permanent final full version (Dec 2007?), would be very welcome.
It's not just the patches, important though they are of course, it's the extra enhancements developed by those like yourself which I much appreciate.
I realise that you can get most of them individually, often directly from their authors, but having them all in one package is a big advantage.

BTW, while you're here, do you know if anyone has managed to modify the Windows 98 Explorer files so that "My Documents" appears at the top of the tree in the left hand pane, as it is on Windows 2000/XP?
It has always really annoyed me that it's at the bottom. Why MS designed it like that I cannot understand!

Thanks again.
Dave.