[cure]

I am trying to establish for myself, and perhaps others, what is the proper order for applying this and other fine work from the board to a fresh installation of 98SE.

A search of the board yields contradictory and, often, out of date answers. And although I think that a comprehensive answer to this question deserves ultimately to be made into a sticky, a new thread may fail to attract the attention of those familiar with the Autopatcher which is probably the most essential element of such an installation.

My best take on the matter would be this:

0. 98SE CD
1. 98lite chubby for 98Se installation - optional
2. Autopatcher Dec2007Full + Dec2008 update
a. TweakUI for autologin
b. directx 9c
c. dcom
d. IE 6 - optional
e. Jet - opitonal (include for security updates)
f. critical updates, etc.
g. other stuff to taste
- java and other third-party stuff perhaps best installed manually if the destination it be a driver other than C:
4. Hardware drivers
5. WordPerfect - optional (see 9. below)
6. 98SE2ME - optional but highly recommended
-2nd install option again recommended
-3rd install option not recommended for reasons of speed and compatibility
7. 98MP10 - optional (for those installing Media Player via Autopatcher?)
8. Kernel Update Project - optional but highly recommended
9. Revolution Pack 9 - optional but recommended
- clear type is beautiful but messes cosmetically with Grammatik in WordPerfect
- possibly prevents WordPerfect from installing correctly, and in particular the spell checker from functioning, if installed before WordPerfect
10. Software generally (Word, Open Office, etc.)

Please offer corrections, suggestions, alternatives.

In particular, are there still packages that should be applied before autopatcher (SESp2.1a en,WUPG98en, etc.)?

The goal is make such fine work as accessible as possible. So thank you for contributing.

[3. was edited out of existence based upon soporific's response below.]

This post has been edited by cure: 19 December 2009 - 02:19 AM

[soporific]

Sound Lover, on Nov 19 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Soporific,

To make a long story short, I tried to remove "Outlook Express Q951066" first and the following message appeared on my screen:

"Internet Explorer Update
Invalid INF file
OK"

I'm fairly new at this and was hoping that someone here could explain what makes "Q951066.inf" "invalid".

I'm not sure, but you could ask this question in its own thread, may get more replies.

cure, on Dec 17 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

Equally, I am unclear as why Autopatcher must be applied in two steps and how that is even done.

Hi there, i haven't been involved in Win98 stuff for over a year now, i'm probably not the best to ask. But i will clear up the question above -- you should only need to use AutoPatcher once. However, i haven't released a full version of the 2008 edition, its only available as an upgrade. So, first, make an up-to-date AutoPatcher by installing 2007 and then installing 2008 over it.

Hope this helps.

[wsxedcrfv]

cure, on Dec 17 2009, 12:37 AM, said:

I am trying to establish for myself, and perhaps others, what is the proper order for applying this and other fine work from the board to a fresh installation of 98SE.

Perhaps this is in your list but not explicitly - where would you put a trip to WindowsUpdate.com on your list?

[lightning slinger]

wsxedcrfv, on Dec 17 2009, 02:21 PM, said:

cure, on Dec 17 2009, 12:37 AM, said:

I am trying to establish for myself, and perhaps others, what is the proper order for applying this and other fine work from the board to a fresh installation of 98SE.

Perhaps this is in your list but not explicitly - where would you put a trip to WindowsUpdate.com on your list?

I think you missed from the end of your post!

[submix8c]

soporific, on Dec 17 2009, 12:47 AM, said:

Sound Lover, on Nov 19 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

Soporific,
To make a long story short, I tried to remove "Outlook Express Q951066" first and the following message appeared on my screen:
"Internet Explorer Update
Invalid INF file
OK"
I'm fairly new at this and was hoping that someone here could explain what makes "Q951066.inf" "invalid".

I'm not sure, but you could ask this question in its own thread, may get more replies.

?Did the install fail? Looking inside the Unofficial, I see a different content. Go here, scroll down to it, download/reinstall and see what happens...

[Sound Lover]

Thanks Soporific and submix8c,

Since I don't use Outlook Express and I've now removed it, I'll just leave things as they are.

I appreciate your responses.

This post has been edited by Sound Lover: 18 December 2009 - 05:14 AM

[cure]

wsxedcrfv, on Dec 17 2009, 09:21 AM, said:

cure, on Dec 17 2009, 12:37 AM, said:

I am trying to establish for myself, and perhaps others, what is the proper order for applying this and other fine work from the board to a fresh installation of 98SE.

Perhaps this is in your list but not explicitly - where would you put a trip to WindowsUpdate.com on your list?

I believe, based upon my reading of the boards, that it is necessary at best and damaging at worst, as unofficial updates may not be recognised and may, consequently, get stamped out of existence (so far as you system goes).

[lightning slinger]

soporific, on Apr 3 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

.... why are you still persisting with Windows Update? MS hasn't touched it since July 2006, and AutoPatcher (and other update packs) install newer hotfixes that WU doesn't know about, and thus gets it wrong when saying you don't have stuff installed. Please DO NOT use Windows Update for Windows 98 se systems, its a waste of time. Cheers!

HTH

[wsxedcrfv]

> why are you still persisting with Windows Update? MS hasn't touched it since July 2006,
> and AutoPatcher (and other update packs) install newer hotfixes that WU doesn't
> know about, and thus gets it wrong when saying you don't have stuff installed.

Why wouldn't it make sense to create an autopatcher that can take a win-98se system from the point where WindowsUpdates ends (july 2006) and simply add additional patches and fixes after that point?

Even using the existing patchers, why wouldn't they work if I install 98, immediately perform all WindowsUpdates, and then run an auto-patcher after that?

Why not modify the current auto-patchers and give them the ability to ask the user if they've already performed a full windowsupdate already, so that they know to only install the newer stuff after July 2006?

[lightning slinger]

wsxedcrfv, on Dec 22 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

Why wouldn't it make sense to create an autopatcher that can take a win-98se system from the point where WindowsUpdates ends (july 2006) and simply add additional patches and fixes after that point?

Even using the existing patchers, why wouldn't they work if I install 98, immediately perform all WindowsUpdates, and then run an auto-patcher after that?

Why not modify the current auto-patchers and give them the ability to ask the user if they've already performed a full windowsupdate already, so that they know to only install the newer stuff after July 2006?

 
You really need to read or re-read, whichever  is appropriate, post #1 in this thread. Particularly the information under the heading Auto-Patcher features.


It does all the points you are asking from fully patching, with both official and unofficial updates and hotfixes, any 98SE system from a clean install all the way past July 2006 right up to December 2008 and from any point in between.

It will only install what is missing or what you want it to install. Heck!, if you are paranoid it will just list what updates are missing from your system.

This is one mighty impressive program that really does allow for a re-install of 98SE being thinkable which would otherwise be an extremely daunting task indeed.

[submix8c]

... And may I point out that WU will store all that stuff on your HDD, whereas you can store AP on a CD before install, run/unstall it, update 98SE, then uninstall it. Saves space on those older PC's (those that have them).

Besides, AP98SE isn't going to be updated real soon, so use it or don't...

BTW, you're free to change it any way you want; nothing sacred here. Just a good knowledge of batch scripts. Be it on your head, though, since it was an exhausting trail leading here to ensure that (almost) nothing could go wrong...

[tonion]

Hi forgive my poor English, people here speak only Spanish, KernelEx 4,5 2, has been very successful when I applied to users who do not expect your PC works now, sp3 beta4 ok, but autoparche step to incorporate the new unofficial update, great work would be painful not to continue. Saludos, gracias.

[kamahl]

Personally, I'd add Mono to the project.

http://www.go-mono.c...s/download.html
You'll want to select Windows, then the option "Mono for Windows, Gtk#, and XSP"

* When installing, I didn't install XSP, so I don't know whether it will break compatibility.
* I also have not tested without KernelEx - I assume it will fail.

After a long google, all I was able to find is this: http://lists.ximian....ber/029656.html

Quote

Probably Windows Me is supported when using Microsoft Layer for Unicode but
Windows 95 and Windows 98 support requires source code modification to avoid
shell32.dll version 5.0 API dependency.

[buckrogers]

I successfully used the AP with the unofficial SP2 + 98SE2ME back in 2006. No bugs. I am now trying a fresh install with AP07+08update and 98SE2ME.

Can someone please point out the solution for the EXPLORER.EXE and SHELL32.DLL crash when booting?

Many thanks...

[buckrogers]

The AP works great. Second time around I avoided option 3 when installing 98SE2ME.

buckrogers, on 21 June 2010 - 08:35 AM, said:

I successfully used the AP with the unofficial SP2 + 98SE2ME back in 2006. No bugs. I am now trying a fresh install with AP07+08update and 98SE2ME.

Can someone please point out the solution for the EXPLORER.EXE and SHELL32.DLL crash when booting?

Many thanks...

[buckrogers]

In the case of installing a repotec wp-1400 wireless lan NIC, I had zero success after autopatching, but it went fine once 98SE2ME was installed.

I wonder whether it is more appropriate to attempt to install hardware drivers AFTER all patching/updating has been completed...

cure, on 16 December 2009 - 11:37 PM, said:

I am trying to establish for myself, and perhaps others, what is the proper order for applying this and other fine work from the board to a fresh installation of 98SE.

A search of the board yields contradictory and, often, out of date answers. And although I think that a comprehensive answer to this question deserves ultimately to be made into a sticky, a new thread may fail to attract the attention of those familiar with the Autopatcher which is probably the most essential element of such an installation.

My best take on the matter would be this:

0. 98SE CD
1. 98lite chubby for 98Se installation - optional
2. Autopatcher Dec2007Full + Dec2008 update
a. TweakUI for autologin
b. directx 9c
c. dcom
d. IE 6 - optional
e. Jet - opitonal (include for security updates)
f. critical updates, etc.
g. other stuff to taste
- java and other third-party stuff perhaps best installed manually if the destination it be a driver other than C:
4. Hardware drivers
5. WordPerfect - optional (see 9. below)
6. 98SE2ME - optional but highly recommended
-2nd install option again recommended
-3rd install option not recommended for reasons of speed and compatibility
7. 98MP10 - optional (for those installing Media Player via Autopatcher?)
8. Kernel Update Project - optional but highly recommended
9. Revolution Pack 9 - optional but recommended
- clear type is beautiful but messes cosmetically with Grammatik in WordPerfect
- possibly prevents WordPerfect from installing correctly, and in particular the spell checker from functioning, if installed before WordPerfect
10. Software generally (Word, Open Office, etc.)

Please offer corrections, suggestions, alternatives.

In particular, are there still packages that should be applied before autopatcher (SESp2.1a en,WUPG98en, etc.)?

The goal is make such fine work as accessible as possible. So thank you for contributing.

[3. was edited out of existence based upon soporific's response below.]

[Zarggg]

I recently had to restore my main system and forgot to back these up in the process. It seems like soporific's site is down again, so could anyone point me to where I can find the December 2007 and 2008 updates, please?

[TmEE]

I have one question regarding AutoPatcher...

I installed it, and now I got a several second long wait before icons appear on desktop. MSGSRV32.EXE is what is waiting there... the wait does not happen when I have networking disabled. I had the problem on my previous install too but it just went away after couple of reboots, but this time it has stayed...

EDIT: Problem solved. It was caused by Directory Services update. I did a manual install of it, then uninstalled it from Add/Remove programs and everything is back to normal

This post has been edited by TmEE: 16 September 2010 - 08:34 AM

[dac33]

i wish this was for windows me.

[loblo]

I think that most of what's in there is good for ME.