[niknak]

Soporific
You have PM

The error message is a Standard click through Windows one. File is referred to is start_me.
DOS box has no message in it just hangs.
Also can't use DOS box from start menu gives a similar message insufficient memory.
Rest of windows seems to work OK so far
Tried various vcache settings in the system.ini file with no effect so far.

I will try the out of memory fix next.

This post has been edited by niknak: 22 January 2008 - 06:15 AM

[soporific]

niknak, on Jan 22 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

I will try the out of memory fix next.

i think i've encountered the problem you are having ... see if you can set a video aperture size in BIOS -- set it as low as possible. If you can even start a DOS box, then you don't have any memory left, because your system thinks it needs to assign heaps of memory which can be caused by a big video aperture size, but i also had this happen on a system with 1Gb RAM, i had to lower the MaxPhysPage value in SYSTEM.INI to 39999 -- there could also be a 'switch' in BIOS that changes the way your system handles memory. This is less likely because you should have had problems installing the OS if the switch was in the wrong place. Still, you should check.

[billygoat]

I have a couple of interesting lines in my I_Result.log after updating with the AP October Full release. (This was installed after fully uninstalling the August Full release - I never tried the September update.)

 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 14:42:56 ++ the Internet Explorer module was started
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 14:43:03 -- update installed: HTMLHelp - Unofficial HTML Help Update
 14:43:05 -- was not installed: Unofficial MSXML 3.0 SP7 Update (kb924191)
 
 14:43:06 -- superceeded: -- kb925672 (MSXML 4.0 SP2 Update)
	  File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msxml4.dll
   Current: 4.20.9848.0
 Attempted: 4.20.9839.0

AFAICS, the 4.20.9848.0 version was installed by the August AutoPatcher, so I'm wondering why October Full is trying to install 4.20.9839.0. (Thinking perhaps the later version was removed from October Full for some reason.)

Same question for this:

 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 14:51:58 ++ the Visual Basic Runtimes module was started
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 14:51:58 -- set to by-pass -- VBRUN100 - Visual Basic 1.0 Runtimes
 14:51:58 -- set to by-pass -- VBRUN200 - Visual Basic 2.0 Runtimes
 14:51:59 -- set to by-pass -- VBRUN300 - Visual Basic 3.0 Runtimes
 14:51:59 -- set to by-pass -- VBRUN400 - Visual Basic 4.0 Runtimes (16 & 32 bit)
 14:52:00 -- set to by-pass -- VBRUN500 - Visual Basic 5.0 sp3 Runtime Files
 
 14:52:01 -- superceeded: -- VBRUN600 (Official Visual Basic 6.0 sp6 Runtime Files)
	  File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msvbvm60.dll
   Current: 6.0.97.98
 Attempted: 6.0.97.82

Again, the later version seems to have been installed by AP August Full.

[RetroOS]

soporific, on Jan 22 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

...
my dear sir, please check the change log again.

Checked the change log... Sorry... Just being lazy I suppose...

billygoat, on Jan 23 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

...
14:43:06 -- superceeded: -- kb925672 (MSXML 4.0 SP2 Update)
File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msxml4.dll
Current: 4.20.9848.0
Attempted: 4.20.9839.0[/code]
...
14:52:01 -- superceeded: -- VBRUN600 (Official Visual Basic 6.0 sp6 Runtime Files)
File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msvbvm60.dll
Current: 6.0.97.98
Attempted: 6.0.97.82[/code]
...

billygoat, msxml4.dll versions higher than 4.20.9841.0 (kb927978) have problems in Windows 9x.
Remove msxml4 from Add/Remove Programs, then delete msxml4.dll from \WINDOWS\SYSTEM and run Auto-Patcher again.
The official Visual Basic 6 files are older than the unofficial update so do not worry about that one.

soporific, the December 2007 Microsoft Root Certificates Update has been released.

This post has been edited by RetroOS: 22 January 2008 - 05:46 PM

[billygoat]

RetroOS, on Jan 22 2008, 06:59 PM, said:

billygoat, on Jan 23 2008, 11:16 AM, said:

...
14:43:06 -- superceeded: -- kb925672 (MSXML 4.0 SP2 Update)
File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msxml4.dll
Current: 4.20.9848.0
Attempted: 4.20.9839.0
...
14:52:01 -- superceeded: -- VBRUN600 (Official Visual Basic 6.0 sp6 Runtime Files)
File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msvbvm60.dll
Current: 6.0.97.98
Attempted: 6.0.97.82
...

billygoat, msxml4.dll versions higher than 4.20.9841.0 (kb927978) have problems in Windows 9x.
Remove msxml4 from Add/Remove Programs, then delete msxml4.dll from \WINDOWS\SYSTEM and run Auto-Patcher again.
The official Visual Basic 6 files are older than the unofficial update so do not worry about that one.

Thanks, RetroOS. Interesting about the msxml4.dll. I was thinking that AP ought to handle it, in that case. (Since I'm assuming the newer one came from AP August Full.)

Likewise, if there's a benefit (or no worry) to the newer msvbvm60.dll, why did it appear in the August AP but seems to have been removed in AP October Full?

(I haven't actually checked the packages for these versions, so I might be wrong about the origin. But I've been keeping backups of each update stage and that's what it looks like at first glance.)

[soporific]

NEWS - Jan 23:
* December 2007 release candidate 1 is now available. If there is nothing fundamentally wrong with this release, in a week it will be renamed to FINAL and released to the world via the 2 mirrors AP has.
* download link
Size: 288 MB
MD5: 816109F0E169474BC37DB88C09EEDD66
* change log
* module contents

- the only change in the last day was the addition of Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 SP1
- thanks to all post, comments, suggestions, etc, yada, and so on. Boo hiss to everyone else!

[RetroOS]

billygoat, on Jan 23 2008, 07:00 PM, said:

...
Likewise, if there's a benefit (or no worry) to the newer msvbvm60.dll, why did it appear in the August AP but seems to have been removed in AP October Full?
...

billygoat, there are both the official and the unofficial VB 6 updates.
If they were both selected in August AP, then the files will be at the unofficial versions.
When you run the October AP, the official update says that the msvbvm60.dll file is newer.
This is correct because it is the unofficial version.
There are many updates in AP that have both the official and the unofficial and even some official updates that have some newer files in other official updates...
You will get the same newer file message for some others as well.

soporific, that's a rocking list of updates this time around!
Small error in your change log...

Quote

...
new: kb927978 - MSXML 4.0 SP2 Update
....
removed: kb925672 - MSXML 4.0 SP2 Update (replaced by kb941833) < should say replaced by kb927978 (above)
...

Rock on soporock!

[soporific]

RetroOS, on Jan 23 2008, 06:40 PM, said:

Small error in your change log...

Rock on soporock!

Cheers for that. As a bonus for all those who download the RC and test it out, you will have access to a special update that will convert your copy to the final edition. I don't expect it to be large in size but there's already a change to the change_log (thanks Retrobuddy) so i'll already be releasing something.

The upgrade from the full October release will be available within 24 hours - i hope.

[niknak]

Hi Soporific
The Vcache fix did not solve my problem. Still locked out of the DOS box(es). Interestingly with all vcache settings remarked out in system.ini when booted the system was using 1022MB RAM and appeared OK except for the DOS box problem.
Re PM My bios does not have the common references to the the video card. AGP overclock setting is the only one and that is at default. I also checked the manual and it only mentions the AGP overclock setting.
This problem is somewhat galling.
I will wait for the new version of AP the try it on a clean install but literally a section at a time.

[soporific]

sorry, not relevant.

This post has been edited by soporific: 23 January 2008 - 10:43 AM

[submix8c]

WOOHOO! New Website... lookin' good!

Downloaded RC from it and will test first opportunity.

edit - and still awesome download speed...

This post has been edited by submix8c: 23 January 2008 - 10:56 AM

[soporific]

submix8c, on Jan 24 2008, 03:54 AM, said:

WOOHOO! New Website... lookin' good!

Downloaded RC from it and will test first opportunity.

edit - and still awesome download speed...

how fast did it come down, what speeds were you getting? I never get to test this out, i can't justify wasting so much bandwidth!

BIG NEWS:
I've added a cool new little feature: an installation counter for your module choices. This will make it much easier to avoid being paranoid that you have the right choices selected. It does add a few seconds to navigation around the module choices, but the benefits vastly outweigh the small hit in performance.

If you're keen to try it out, download the attachment, and overwrite (back up the old one first!) the one in your program directory (in the CODE folder). It only works with the December 2007 release. I really got a kick out of using it, i hope you do too.

Attached File(s)

•  New_AutoPach.bat_for_AP_Dec_07.zip (20.6K)
  Number of downloads: 11

This post has been edited by soporific: 23 January 2008 - 11:36 AM

[Drugwash]

@ niknak: the setting referred to by soporific is usually called 'AGP aperture size'. If you have an AWARD BIOS, you may try to press CTRL + F1 once in the main BIOS screen - it offers advanced options. However, the aforementioned option should be a standard one, so chances to find it using that trick are slim. Worth trying, though.

@ soporific: a few months ago, I was banging my head on the walls because Yahoo Messenger 8.x was crashing while trying to listen to voice messages. After uninstalling a sh!tload of applications, I found the culprit as being MSXML 4.0. Dunno which version it was, as I've been performing bulk uninstalls at the time, trying to fix the issue. I was just thinking if anyone could test the current MSXML version included with Auto-Patcher against Y!M 8.0 and/or Y!M 8.1.



On another note: any news on the GUI?

[submix8c]

Quote

how fast did it come down, what speeds were you getting?

Using FlashGet (6-part "split", ie. #of-connections) shows ~600kbs (however that figures...). Basically, just a few minutes (up to 10 maybe?).

[pixturesk]

Hi Soporific. I just put this question on your "good Soporific" website as well.

You were of great help with my installation of AP August 2007 Full + the September 2007 update, as well as RP7.11. As you may recall, I am the non computer generation, non techie guy to whom you gave much valuable counsel. When you release AP December 2007 Final, can I just install it over my “above” current installations? Will it have any problematic effect on RP7.11? Or, since everything is functioning exceptionally well, shall I just be content with what I currently have, forgetting about AP December 2007 Final + future updates? Thanks, all the best, Ken.

[soporific]

pixturesk, on Jan 24 2008, 10:39 AM, said:

Hi Soporific. I just put this question on your "good Soporific" website as well.

You were of great help with my installation of AP August 2007 Full + the September 2007 update, as well as RP7.11. As you may recall, I am the non computer generation, non techie guy to whom you gave much valuable counsel. When you release AP December 2007 Final, can I just install it over my “above” current installations? Will it have any problematic effect on RP7.11? Or, since everything is functioning exceptionally well, shall I just be content with what I currently have, forgetting about AP December 2007 Final + future updates? Thanks, all the best, Ken.

Hi Ken, thanks for your kind words. I recommend downloading the December 2007 release. You can safely install it over any previous release of AP, you don't have to uninstall first. I have created new 'groups' to use within the modules section, for you, i recommend using the 'Essential' group to select the titles to install. To select 'Essential' choose D in the modules section. You will see what i mean when you install the Dec 2007 release.

An UPGRADE version is just being finalised now, it should be available within 4 hours. Stay tuned ... size at present is 80 MB which is a **** site better than having to download 288 MB. You will need to have October installed though. I will make one for those who only have the August release as well, that will be tomorrow though.

Can anyone who tries out the new AUTOPACH.BAT with the install counter please give feedback on it ASAP? Is it worthy of inclusion? Let me know!

[billygoat]

RetroOS, on Jan 23 2008, 03:40 AM, said:

billygoat, there are both the official and the unofficial VB 6 updates.
If they were both selected in August AP, then the files will be at the unofficial versions.
When you run the October AP, the official update says that the msvbvm60.dll file is newer.

Thanks! Whoops, I never noticed the Unofficial VB updates! Guess I just used my earlier (default) choices for that module without noticing the 'Unofficial' part.

Quote

You will get the same newer file message for some others as well.

First time I've seen it, and just with these two.

[soporific]

Jan 25:
* December 2007 release candidate 2 is now available. Everyone is recommended to upgrade to the new version.

December 2007 RC1 to December 2007 RC2 (UPGRADE):
download link
Size: 1.3 MB
MD5: 7047D52532DE80FA3CD41BA0B1D6D1EE

October 2007 to December 2007 RC2 (UPGRADE):
download link
Size: 84 MB
MD5: 0B8FE05833F394E7B1094DD8B221563D

[RetroOS]

Hi soporific,
I like the install counter and I think it should be included!
I've installed the Dec 2007 RC1. Have not installed RC2 yet...
Mostly went okay.
There were some issues though...

- InfraRecorder update section gave an 'access denied' error when trying to remove the old version.

- The Twain update looped - probably because I already have the updated files...

- The 48BitLBA update looped - I had previous 48bit 4.10.0.2225 installed. I uninstalled so the new 4.10.0.2230 version would install.

- The SYSTEM.ini tweaks menu option gave me an 'out of environment space' error and went back to the main menu.
When I freed up some environment space to work around the error, it correctly detected my RAM as 1.5GB, but used the wrong formula to calculate.
It set MaxFileCache to 262144 which would have killed Windows! - my current (maximum) setting is 114688.
Probably because of this the Chunksize was set as 2048. I use 1024.
When I selected current SYSTEM.INI settings, the Chunksize, MinFileCache, and MaxFileCache did not match my current settings...

- There is something wrong with the Visual Basic menu... There is no official VB6 entry and yet I get this in the log (as mentioned by billygoat):
21:31:44 -- superceeded: -- VBRUN600 (Official Visual Basic 6.0 sp6 Runtime Files)
File: C:\WINDOWS\system\msvbvm60.dll
Current: 6.0.97.98
Attempted: 6.0.97.82

...And now for the BIG one...
BROWSEUI.DLL 6.0.2800.1915 from kb942615 kills my Windows Explorer (failure in EXPLORER.EXE).
The Desktop comes up okay, but anytime I try to open a browse window, it dies...
Now, the catch is that I have EXPLORER.EXE 5.50.4134.100 from Revolutions Pack 7.11.
I expect that the same thing would happen using 98SE2ME with the Me Explorer option installed.
It may or may not work with 98SE EXPLORER.EXE...
I have had to back-date BROWSEUI.DLL to 6.0.2800.1914 from kb939653.

This post has been edited by RetroOS: 25 January 2008 - 04:22 AM

[joe tweaker]

I've been away awhile, but keeping up with changes via email subscription to this topic.
One thing I've had on my mind... back in the days before AutoPatcher, Gape's unofficial
service pack for 98SE had something called a "windows 2000 color scheme" which was more
pleasant than the default (gray) colors I've had since switching to UBCD and AutoPatcher.
That color scheme was one of the few things Gape's service pack included that AP does not.
Is it possible to add that "win 2000 color scheme" to AutoPatcher as an optional module?
(It seems like overkill to reinstall Gape's pack AFTER running AP or UBCD - just to get that
color scheme. It should be an OPTION in AP, so we don't have to run Gape's AFTER AP.)
I am soo sick of this default gray scheme that 98SE comes with.... Joe