[pixturesk]

Sop, I uninstalled the Unofficial Replacement Tools from A/R, the "monitor" icon is no longer there but I also no longer have the 7 choice "Shut Down" option anymore. Even when I click on the "Start" button, then click on "Shut Down", nothing happens, just a quick flash. I have to use "Ctl-Alt-Delete" to get the window where I can click on the "Shut Down" box that works. Has the Unofficial Replacement Tools uninstall, gone too far. How Can I get this 7 choice dialogue back. Thanks, Ken.

[pixturesk]

Sop. You ought to be happy with my the new "techie" abilities you have been teaching me. By checking the info page in AP, I saw that Tihy's Tools9X hotfix controls all the items in the above message, so I re-install it, got the Shut Down functionality back again, as well as, the systray monitor icon which is OK (thought it was using too many resources, which I see it is not) if there is no easy way to uninstall it. I guess that I am actually learning this stuff. All the best, Ken.

[barbarien]

i tested hard the shockwaves and i found that the versions

10.2.022 and 10.2.023 are Stable newest 10.3.024 is crashy for Win 98 will wait for the next newer one to test
so soporific you can add the 10.2.023 to AP Feb.

[Eck]

Looks like Adobe either took down the newer Shockwave or it detects that I have Windows 98SE. All roads there now lead to 10.2.023, the one that appears to work well.

Of course, that's the one to include in the next Auto-Patcher, the full version download I would say but I'm not sure which you've been using.

The folks who have had Java 6 Update 4 problems I think should be aware that it's been an interoperability issue with the latest Flash for some time using any Sun Java and the new Flash version. I think Java 5 users experience the same thing. It's something for Adobe to fix, I think. No need to go back to the old Java if it doesn't make a difference.

I found in System Information that I do still have 2 instances of that ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering who's registry entry apparently has something wrong that makes it show as not functioning properly. I know not to bother troubleshooting this on this motherboard as it has always shown those even if I remove all the devices and have them redetected. They just show up again. But everything works and there are no blips in Device Manager. The HP Device Manager that comes with my scanner does show a whole slew of those ACPI IRQ Holder things with blips. There's no fix for it that I'm aware of. Not an Auto-Patcher problem, but included with my feedback and suggestions comes my progress and ranting.

[the_guy]

Adobe pulled the new version. On an XP SP2 PC, I get version 10.2.0.023.

the_guy

[Dave-H]

Soporific, I replied to your two PMs from earlier today, and apart from the fact that I couldn't find any way to attach files to the message, when I looked in my "sent items" box it appears to be an empty message!
I don't know WTF is going on with this, did you get the message OK?
Cheers, Dave.

[bristols]

dencorso, on Feb 17 2008, 06:11 AM, said:

@barbarien & bristols:
Thanks a lot for the download sites and the cool Shockwave test. You rock!

@bristols:
Are you actually using 10.2.0.23? Whats your experience with it? After the sad experience I had with 10.3.0.24 I'm wary of upgrading Shockwave, but I reckon that maybe 10.2.0.23 is the last fully working version for Win 9x. Please advise.

Hi dencorso,

I've had 10.2.0.23 installed for almost 6 months with no problems whatsoever (just to confirm what others here are saying).

Just checked the Shockwave pages. It seems indeed as Eck says that Adobe has removed 10.3.0.24 and reverted to 10.2.0.23.

[dencorso]

@thydreamwalker, bristols, barbarien, Eck, the_guy:
Lots of thanks to all of you for answering so promptly. You all rock!
So Shockwave 10.2.0.23 is the way to go (and even Adobe recognized it!!! ).

This post has been edited by dencorso: 17 February 2008 - 10:29 PM

[u2kforever]

Installs perfectly, thanks

[Eck]

Dave-H,

Try what I used to do before the Environment Space Fix put stuff in Autoexec and config.sys. Delete the lines from there, as the Revolution Pack disagrees with them. Running the fix again will just put them back. Gotta get Auto-Patcher to run without out it.

So, look in C:\Program Files\Auto-Patcher (or, wherever it's installed).

Find the .bat file that the shortcut points to and right click it and choose Properties.

On the memory tab raise the drop down for environment space to a higher number. I can't remember, but I think I used to do it to all the .bat files I saw in there. But try it with just the one that starts the thing first. I think it's:

START_ME.BAT

If you still get the out of environment space error then try doing that to all the .BAT files you see in there. As long as any of those are run they will obey whatever settings you put into its pif (or Program Information File).

[Eck]

Well I just installed my saved copy of Shockwave 10.2.022 because all the download links there SAY they are giving you 10.2.023 but they REALLY give you 10.3.CRASHANDBURN.

You can right click the downloads and they are all that newer buggy version, even thought the directory it is downloading it from is the 10.2 one. I found out when Firefox crashed with it and then I checked the version.

Apparently they meant to go back to the older version but they put the same newer files in there I guess by accident.

So I can't even get the latest 10.2 version because .022 is all I've got. I'll deal. They'll fix it and update I'm sure.

At least I won't crash.

[soporific]

Hey everyone,

I've been following the discussion avidly and i've come to the conclusion that my previous fears about more incompatibilities for our dear old OS are coming true. Never again will i simply add a new update to Auto-Patcher without waiting some time to see if its any good. Stability is the key here. I've noted the conclusions down and i will get a new version of AP out soon. Cheers, keep the discussion going.

[Eck]

Heh heh. More excitement. I did have to clean house. I got 10.2.023 from filehippo.com but the uninstall and reinstall, and the reboot asked for left Shockwave without some needed file.

So I used the Shockwave 8 and 10 uninstallers in the System/Macromed folder, and the downloaded Flash Uninstaller. I clicked all the entries of them in Add/Remove Programs and when it couldn't find uninstallers I let it remove the entries. I checked out the Windows Components tab and saw that the Shockwave entries are no longer available. Then I deleted the contents of that Macromed folder and restarted the computer.

I went to Adobe in Internet Explorer and had it install Flash. I installed my downloaded Flash for Firefox installer. I installed my downloaded Shockwave 10.2.023 from filehippo.

All is now perfect and the tests on their site work.

Soporific, I really suggest that the best way for folks to get the latest Flash and Shockwave on their machines is to go and download and install the stuff themselves. I can't see it working correctly with the fresh stuff installed immediately with Auto-Patcher right after a new installation unless perhaps if nothing that is installed includes their own older Flash and Shockwave versions. Once they are on there (Flash 7 and Shockwave 8), they really need a cleaning of the house, wiping all of that, before the new versions can install properly on a Flash and Shockwave barren machine.

Sheesh, their Adobe Reader just gave me fits getting it upgraded. The downloader they use couldn't write the second update into the \Windows\Application Data folder they use. The first worked, but from then on only my going to their site and clicking the updates tab and downloading each one myself and installing them worked. Something was interfering with their updater downloading the files to that folder. I could see the incomplete 0 bit file there.

Anyway, all updated now.

[RetroOS]

Okay, I thought everything was running fine with Dec 2007 Final...
However, since I updated (only JSCRIPT.DLL was newer for me), I got an empty square window appear often while using Internet Explorer.
I had to close it (using the 'X') to continue.
I figured it was probably when JSCRIPT.DLL was being called?
It sounds a bit like what some others have posted recently.
However, I did not get any installing or crashing, just an empty window.
So... I deinstalled Java 6 Update 4 and reinstalled Update 3 that I had earlier.
I also back-dated JSCRIPT.DLL to the previous version I had, then de-registered and re-registered it, and rebooted.
No change!
This is really weird since at this point everything should be as it was when it worked!!!
Rolling forward again, I removed Java 6 Update 3 and reinstalled Update 4, and reinstalled the Unofficial Scripting 5.6 update again.
No change as expected.
So! I downloaded the Unofficial Scripting 5.7 update from MDGx and installed it.

...No problems so far!

The only thing that bugs me is that I recall some discussion a while ago regarding Scripting 5.7 having problems in Windows 98SE...
I'll have to locate the discussion and see what the issues were.

The conclusion is that I do not know what made my 98SE go silly on me... But Scripting 5.7 fixed it...

On a side note, I also found that Windows was creating a bootlog.txt files every time I used Windows and updating it during use and closing Windows.
All this was adding some overhead to Windows.
I had one font error (explained in another topic) that I resolved, but this did not stop the bootlog.txt being created.
In the end I had to put the Disablelog=1 option in the MSDOS.SYS file...
I had noticed the logging over some time, but thought maybe it was from a crash or something...
I don't know when it started doing this... Maybe RP7 or 98SE2ME?

Anyone else noticed continuous boot logging?

[soporific]

RetroOS, on Feb 18 2008, 07:45 PM, said:

Okay, I thought everything was running fine with Dec 2007 Final...

Well, there's a few issues...

* one is that the Unofficial Scripting Update 5.6 is the one causing that message about needing to download 0 bytes to install it. Using the 'never download it' option seems to fix this but i haven't tested extensively.

* two, the Unofficial Scripting Update 5.7 is still causing errors for my CSCRIPT.EXE scripts so i can't include it in UBCD and i'm reluctant to include it in AP without further testing.

I'm in two minds about what to do with this.

[Eck]

What you could do is make a module especially for the scripting update. Make the default of Auto-Patcher to install the older official Scripting 5.6 update. Make a toggle available for installing the Unofficial 5.7, which would explain that it is experimental and to only install if compatibility is desired for newer technologies. This would install 5.7 instead of the 5.6 update. Certainly remove that unofficial 5.6 as it is obviously not working well. If we tell Internet Explorer not to install when it asks, we won't have the scripting support so that is not a desired option, even if it removes the nagging. So the Unofficial 5.6 really shouldn't be used.

5.7 works fine, as far as I know. My software has been installing fine with a few exceptions, if scripting does have anything to do with it.

That Adobe Reader updater not being able to write to that folder, PowerDVD 6 not being able to run the latest update (but I installed the older 2003e update and it worked fine). It is possible that the latest one can't install on 98SE but they removed the older update anyway. It complains about not being able to run setup, but when I extracted the update with WinRAR and ran setup myself, that runs, but just like the compressed download it complains that it could not run setup. I think it's a setup within the setup? Whatever, PowerDVD works fine with the 2003e update and I think that the latest one is some minor single update and not the whole thing anyway. The file is much smaller than the 2003e update is. I don't think it includes the previous fixes and that makes it just a blunder on their part that they removed the 2003e update from the download section.

And DivX Media Filter made a complaint that it had errors, but it works fine in Windows Media Player. It just doesn't offer the system tray icon like it does on XP/Vista. Maybe that's what it didn't successfully install, but it isn't really needed. Windows Media Player uses the DivX 5.21 codec to play the files and it even did the usual check for update the first time and shows the DivX watermark briefly when the playback starts. That's how I know it's using the DivX codec from them rather than the one installed by PowerDVD 6 Deluxe.

Don't know whether some of those install errors were due to Scripting or not. The Adobe one was strange, but the others could be explained by the installers expecting Windows XP stuff.

Nero, RealPlayer, QuickTime, Java, Flash and Shockwave (once I cleaned it out and started fresh) had no problems installing and running.

I'd leave Sun Java, Flash, and Shockwave out of Auto-Patcher. These are all better left to the user to get and install.

[RetroOS]

Hi soporific,
Did you ever compile the system tweaks, specifically the caching and RAM limit tweaks, that you established from the VCACHE topic?
Also, look at my post regarding settings for 1.5GB of RAM - these have been working flawlessly ever since.
I know that the AP settings are currently wrong for 1.5GB of RAM...

[Eck]

That maybe the next thing I look into. I turn off those tweaks in Auto-Patcher (or don't turn them on if they are off by default) because 98SE2ME puts in the traditional ones that Gape's pack always did anyway. I just do the VCACHE max to 393216 at the first boot after install so it won't have a problem with my 1 Gig of Ram. I notice he doesn't do the ConservativeSwapfileUsage =1 anymore and I didn't add it. I did make my min and max virtual memory customized to 3X my Ram right away too. I'll check out that thread to see what folks are doing now.

I just installed Norton Utilities 2002 to my 250GB hard drive that's one big partition installed with 120GB then expanded to about 191 usable by PartitionMagic. I ran DiskDoctor, had it fix what it found, rebooted, and ran SpeedDisk. I just set it not to optimize the swap file. I already customized it and don't want it to mess with that.

I turned off the Surface Scan too. As long as things are working I'd rather not sit and wait while it checks out the unpartitioned space.

Things haven't blown up! But I guess I won't really know if it trashed anything (regarding 48bit LBA addressing) unless I start getting a lot of weird problems. I haven't run WinDoctor yet. Not sure I believe in that kind of thing anymore. In the old days I used to let it whirl away at the registry but I figure if it isn't broke, don't fix (break) it.

Haven't run 98 in a while and got used to a zillion things loading at startup not really bothering XP, Vista, or of course Linux. I'm going to have to look into that though. I have eleven system tray icons and I startup with about 41% resources free. Goes down to the 30's quick when I start doing things. That might not be the best way to run 98, eh?

For security I have Avast Home set to its defaults with the email scanner and all its web stuff on and ZoneAlarm with the email, virus scanner detection and alerts off.

I'm wondering what to do about Spyware detection. I always used Spybot Search and Destroy but I've been reading that the new version is broken on 98SE. Not only that, but the older one automatically updates it to the new, broken version. I'll try to read their forums to see what people are doing. I know I need something. Ad-Aware stopped supporting 98SE but I used to prefer Spybot S&S anyway, although sometimes I used them both. Now it looks like either is a hassle to use. And the Yahoo Toolbar stuff (haven't bothered with it yet and would rather not) doesn't include the Spyware detector on 98SE either. What do we do? Gotta have something to scan and remove that stuff if we catch anything. Kind of miss McAfee, as their stuff includes spyware detection and removal. But their last 98SE version was just a hassle with its messing up their updating process using wininit and writing the file incorrectly. I had to make sure to delete the nonsense they wrote and keep the correct lines every update. Well, I let all of the subscriptions for it expire and canceled the automatic renewals.

Out of the Auto-Patcher topic, but then we're not too many folks now and where else but here can we ramble on about Windows 98?

Edit -

I installed Spybot Search and Destroy 5.2 (latest) to see. It went fine! I unchecked to have it update while installing, unchecked SDHelper and TeaTimer (never use TeaTimer and I immunize after the first update), and told it not to run after the install. I restarted the computer, went through the wizard, got all updated and immunized, ran a scan and it removed the usual stuff it does to a fresh Windows installation, and all is well.

Gotta say that maybe turning everything on and running right away and not rebooting might be one of the things causing the new version troubles in 9x systems. Maybe my treading gently and carefully made it register what it needed properly.

Then again, maybe it's dumb luck or a newer version of the program. I just downloaded it before installing.

This post has been edited by Eck: 19 February 2008 - 01:17 AM

[thydreamwalker]

:whistle:To:Retro OS*** note @ thee wierd window in left top screen(best seek justice from our higher power MICROSOFT )-it has to do with older 98se report issue on older versions of RPCRT4.dll,as i had issues with my reaching the internet when i had windows 3.1 and 3.11upg installed ;Its like a spy of some sort-tough to get rid of ,too!!!Especially bothersome when downloading a lot...will screen every move and reports accumalate then mysteriously disappear...like being sent while your not aware.Can't remember the CURE ,yet found it on MDGX's site ..<thydreamwalker>

[thydreamwalker]

DOWNLOAD FOR 10.2.023=<http://oldapps.com/shockwave.php>....works great with APRC2+RP7.11.5+RENOVATIO! ! !